Pain and nociception help: People who cannot contain their urges to harm people repeatedly for no apparent reason are assumed to suffer from some mental illness. - Help.com

Narcisstic personality Disorder could easily fit here with some of the character traits listed. I’ve lived with 3 people I believe have suffered from the disorder; what a nightmare!

Are you saying I am crazy!!?????? lol nice info. thanks.

Hi angry pants :) hope you are feeling better.

Hmm the article itself didn’t seem all that well written and seemed like someone had cut and pasted sections into it, and was rather hard to read with it all being in bold. Also it seemed rather rushed with the number of mistakes I saw in it, anyway being anal about English aside…

it was definately an interesting read with what was written in there, some things I’d say I agree with more than others. I have always had thoughts that people who are criminals or are serial killers have underlaying factors, which were due to how they were brought up. I believe that alot of how we are nurtured during life can effect how we act later in life. One thing though, it says that it effects men more than women but this could just be that it is reported more about men than women… women could be the quieter ones who try and hide it or deal with it in different ways. As the same came be said about depression which supposedly affects more women than men but that could just be that more women seek help with it.

It might not be that they are not choosing to control their urges more that they can’t stop their urges because of the way that they are. It might be that these disorders make them be this way and therefore they act out in the way that they do. It is hard to judge anyone who is like this and know everything that has led them to be this way, and I doubt anyone will ever find out all of the reasons especially with all the indvidual differences there would be.

Definately an interesting thing to think about though, and does get the ol’ brain thinking in a more logical manner when it comes to such matters.

Wow! This is very informative, I would have to say that I, at one time, had Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Thanks for that, you just added three POWERFUL words to my vocabulay!

Evil has many faces, many motives, and a wide range of intensity - I don’t believe it’s possible to place one single definition to evil.

Nor do I believe that all abusers fall into the sorting boxes in the above article. I say this because my father does not really fit into any one of the categories. I think sometimes the inability to switch off the ability to hurt comes from a deep seeded desperation to feel love anyway they can even if its by means of theft (rape/molestation). They fulfill a moments need only to gain a lifetime of remorse. They realize in the after the hurt they cause but they are unable to stop seeking what they need to make them feel loved. It’s not rationale, it is incomprehensible to a vast majority of the population.

But at the same time, these are usually the same people who use their past to excuse their present actions. Society pities them, grants them the excuse by way of offering alms for their past. It’s time we stand together and stop allowing such excuses to be acceptable. To make everyone and anyone accountable for their present regardless of their past. To teach that society will not accept self hatred to be an excuse to hurt others, but that such self loathing is the worse of the worse of human conditions. For it strips the individual of their responsibility to conduct themselves with humanity and decency.

And when such pain is inflicted upon others justice should be swift - the legal system must be revised. We are so busy protect the rights of the criminals it just provides another excuse for them to shun their responsibilities. Because someone will step in and defend them for some inane reason such as they themselves were hurt as a child…HELLO!!!

Think about that for one minute - how could that excuse possibly hold any reason worth validation. So Aks (just using you for my example since you are the poster) if I shoot you out of anger in the knee cap, you have the right to turn around and shoot the next guy/gal in the knee cap because someone did it to you? Doesn’t make sense - ridiculous right? Then why should any form of abuse hold this to be a valid defense?

Aks - you have have really struck a nerve with this one….sorry!

I dont get what you’re trying to say here? so some people are bastards…. I know, everyone knows, people call them up on it, they get treated with contempt by others, thus fuelling their anger. Just a sad fact of life, some people are on the outside, the deranged fringe, they will suffer and those around them will suffer.

I trust akslogistic, he understands!

Aks - I reread the article and it would seem for the most part they are just grouping the various types of disorders that people who hurt others can have and the characteristics of each disorder. Red flags to watch out for, danger signs, etc.

There is some reference (albeit brief) to upbringing, social status, race, etc which is probably what set me off.

Your article includes valuable information.

Most people prefer to think that everyone is basically good but the personality disorders you list (plus Narcissistic Personality Disorder) mean that sufferers lack empathy and compassion and invariably hurt others (either intentionally for the sense of power it gives them, or the boost it gives their ego, or unintentionally because they don’t care about other peoples’ feelings or well being).

The following links have more information:
www.ultimate-self.com/disordered-personalities/
www.ultimate-self.com/bullies-and-baddies/
www.ultimate-self.com/villains/

Nine wrote:
So, what are you saying? Science is trying to define evil?

no, science is trying to define antisocial, sociopathic, and psychopathic people.

fyi- Antisocial Personality Disorder and sociopathy are the same thing basically. APD is simply the more commonly used term nowadays, and applies to a broader range of people on a sliding scale, whereas sociopath is seen as a less PC term and has very rigid, fixed diagnostic criteria. I.E you either are or you arent. with APD you can have symptoms or characteristics.

List of Common Psychopathic Traits

Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility

OMG.. I DATED SOMEONE WITH ALL OF THESE TRAITS…. he had the charm in the begining.. making me believe that he was sincere and loving.. as for lying.. if he had an orange shirt on.. he would argue the entire day that it was blue… as for the sexual behavior.. he cheated all the time finding every temptation unstoppable leaving my side for a moment with no remorse of any kind… as for long term goals.. he had none.. as for irresponsibility.. omg where do i start… he did what he wanted without concidering anyones feelings.. would not ever hold down a job but lived off from what i worked for.. and the money i did make instead of paying bills would take my money and go to the casino every day.. running from his child support obligations and has been to jail many times (before i met him and running from it after i met him even though i was after him every day to get a job to pay it.)criminal versatility, later i found that he was also taking my money to buy coke and pot…. i gave this dude everything in the world… he took me for $30,000.00 in a 2 year period of time… not realizing how he was being on a day to day period as i was blind due to the fact that i had no one.. not even family.. i guess i was just appreciating that i had someone… however i left him over a year ago and i have to say.. my life is almost back to normal… i guess it takes something like this to know what it feels like to be truely cared about by a real person… and yes i have learned to look at relationships with my eyes WIDE open.. any kind of disrespect and im out of there… no 2nd chances at all…

ohhh ok aks man, sorry, got all mixed up, yeah it was quite an interesting article

ÅKSLOGISTIC® wrote:
I am sooo snappy , ha ha.

well i was going to reply but after seeing the results of your purposeful behavior i think i’m going to have to withdraw.

Thanks for the info… Now I’m analyzing everyone I know lol :P

Holy ****, this is exactly what i was married to for 13 years, and i now have a perfect understanding of how he has chosen to end our marriage. this sick desease is definately the work of the devil. this also explains why i am completely broken down, stressed out of my mind, and in need of serious repair from the years of damage and hell.
I am blown away!
As an independent woman, and very successful entreprenuer, i now realize a huge mistake , and oversight on my part.
I put more energy into protecting my career, and used all my tough as nails traits there, completey leaving my personal vulnerability and big ole heart wide open.
Love is blind! i am a hopeless romantic, passion is my middle name.
A huge thank you for the info.
I get things now, and gunna just pick my self up, get some major repairs, and get on with my new single life, and know for sure i must do what ever it takes to be the best mom for my son, and keep him safe, and secure , from the effects his sick father may cast out. although it is clear his father adores him, and is very much a part of his life, he as you can imagine has major issues, and i wont be there 24/7 . my son loves his dad very much, and they have a blast doing fun things all the time. i will keep a watchfull eye, but not disclose this information to him unless his safety is at risk.
Ok, let’s get on with this new life!!!!!

I commend you! after reading your profile, and breifly looking over your many, many contacts on this forum, despite your ugly pic, and all the ugly in your life, it’s a beautiful thing for you to help people with your insight. now come on, go to a barber, get a shave, and a hair cut. i dare ya to smile perty and give us a nice new picture ! i would guess you would get at least 500 to 1000 notices that day, and a ton of smiles!!!!!!!!!!!!