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Why do you believe, Akslogistic?

Amen Brutha

You say you believe there is a god. What do you believe this god to be?

You also say quote “I am not trying to tell you what to believe..matter of fact i do not care what you believe.”

That makes me think you are very self centered and only interested in your own feelings.

What in that case, are you trying to tell us?

Should we be interested in what your feelings are? If so why?

This is not an attack on you or your post. More that I would like to understand more deeply what it is you are trying to tell us.

Jebus Zeus wrote:
i believe in papa smurf. he’s god and i pray to his blueness,also the igod is cool cuz well cuz he talks to any pathetic human out there without wanting to kill them.http://www.titane.ca/concordia/dfar251/igod/main.html

You are being fooled into evil, and shall take your innacurate beliefs with you all the way to hell.
The truth is, Papa Smurf is only one side of the Mushroom Trinity, consisting of Papa Smurf, Smurfette and Gargamel. The trinity encompasses all and is the source of all conditionless love for mankind (or destruction of the damned, depending on if you are reading the old testament or the new testament of the Smurfin’ Bible)
Clearly you have been deluded by false teachers, and need to go back to the original, unchangeable word of God himself to get your information, so pick up a Smurfin’ Bible.
The King James’ Version of the absolute, unalterable word of God is decent, but I personally prefer the Smurfin’ Bible For Dummies version ’cause it’s got pretty pictures.

so you believe in god… now what?

so how does believing in God (this God of yours) affect your life?

Hmmmm, witnessing.. a word I have been trying to lessen my anger about in therapy for years. Maybe you’re right, the connotation might not be wrong.. but I think I’ll wait and see how this post unfold before I make that conclusion.

Oh, I doubt that will happen.. and the baiting part was bound to happen. . But now since you’ve let on that you know it will happen, you probably wont.
****, you ruined it! ..now I can’t see if witnessing really works or not ;)

heh

i don’t think you are christian… i’m just interested… i’m agnostic myself

it seems as though you are creating a God that fits your idea… do you really think that if there was a God, that he would fit someones idea about him/her/it/whatever… do you think you could grasp it… do you think you would agree with everything he* would have to say???

you are talking about ifs

so you are just happy believing there is a God???
are you trying to find out who he is??? what he does???

Hahahaha K2 and Jeb and Brian… *snurks*

I believe in one God, the father almighty, the maker of heaven and earth….

Don’t worry… .my dogma is on a leash :)

now, THATS witnessing… the good, old-fashioned kind!

If God is created in our own image, then yes—Brian has the right to say he created God. Isn’t THAT interesting?

Times’ *gone mad* wrote:
If God is created in our own image, then yes—Brian has the right to say he created God. Isn’t THAT interesting?

not really.

Im not so sure about God…i am pretty sure that exists…i know something ‘God’ like does..BUT…

I am a spiritualist. I live by the 7 principles and i believe that when we die our body and our spirit seperates, and that it is only the body that dies.

and i do believe the spirits try to talk to us or give us signs or sometimes show themselves to us.

This is what i believe and im happy with it…and in my life…i feel it is ‘truth’.

I am a christian. and i would NEVER pretend what i believe is fact. to me it is ‘truth’…but truth is opinion.

fact is proved. and none of us can prove that god exists, we can justify his existance to ourselves, but we cant prove…i dont think people should argue about it all the time…i think that its brilliant that we all have our own ideas and beliefs. and i think each one is uniquely valid.

i believe, this post will get hostile sooner or later

It shouldnt need too though…if anything i think its great that people have their own beliefs…who am i/we to say one is right and the others wrong?

i know, but some peeps get a little to over prided in there beliefs and try to push it over the mountain top.

what is the nature of truth then? do you think truth is relative?

Yeah they do, which is a shame really. It doesnt do them any favours. They should just be happy with themselves and their own life…and accept others.

I think truth is an opinion, based on fact…if that makes sense…but that…again…is my opinion

Do you think trying to fit God into your standards is the way to go about life? Is looking for the path that looks most appealing to you the right path? If truth is truth, by nature isn’t there just one? Do you really think you could grasp the truth/nature of life? Is it graspable? It seems to me these are all theories… trying to grasp at the truth… trying to best fit peoples ideas of how the world should be…

tumble weed wrote:
Do you think trying to fit God into your standards is the way to go about life? Is looking for the path that looks most appealing to you the right path? If truth is truth, by nature isn’t there just one? Do you really think you could grasp the truth/nature of life? Is it graspable? It seems to me these are all theories… trying to grasp at the truth… trying to best fit peoples ideas of how the world should be…

No not at all. I live my life the way i want to. And if at my death bed i an say to myself i am happy with everything i did then so be it. i dont have to live up to anybodies standards…ive done that and it didnt work for me…if i continue to try and get people to approve of what i do then i would die still trying…if god doesnt like what i do then tough. i dont like some of the things he does.

i dont think there is a truth or nature of life…life is just life…leave it alone lol

interesting…

as for aks reply to my other questions… i think if someone believes in God (whatever god it is) one should be trying to understand him better… unless the God is a god who just doesn’t care… what are you attributing to the word “God” then? What am I attributing to it?? hmmm… what does God mean? maybe you guys have thoughts on this… aks… i’m looking at you mainly though

Hmmm…i have similar beliefs to aks…its like..you believe it…you dont have to know everything about it just for it to have a great importance in your life?

I know NOTHING about spiders..apart from the fact that they have 8legs..yet they are important…they are ALWAYS in the way lol

do you really know how important spiders are?? what they do for you… do you believe that there is an absolute truth?

i don’t care if you respect what and how I believe… i doubt that what I believe is right… and I would rather have people come and tell me all their perspectives in what they believe… are we just satisfied with what we come up with on our own… isn’t that a sense of pride??? thinking we can figure it out ourselves… at some point it’s faith right… but is faith just where you let go?

tumble weed wrote:
do you really know how important spiders are?? what they do for you… do you believe that there is an absolute truth?

uhhhh i spent years in philosophical debate…with my philosophy clas funnily enough..and i really cant be bothered right now…

to sum it up,

1. i dont care what anyone thinks about me anymore, not god not anyone. and i believe in god, but i dont love him…why should i love someone who i’ve never met? i didnt love my boyfriend before i’d met him..that would be crazy..
2. i believe that there is no ultimate truth about anything…because someone can always argue on the contrary.

just because someone can argue the contrary doesn’t mean it’s not true… i’ve never met 99% of the worlds population… but I try to love them… I don’t think this is crazy… and if there were more love in this world then it would be a far better place… and what is this about there being no ultimate truth??? everything is just relative??? hmmm… i doubt it… even if everything is just perceptions…

tumble weed wrote:
just because someone can argue the contrary doesn’t mean it’s not true… i’ve never met 99% of the worlds population… but I try to love them… I don’t think this is crazy… and if there were more love in this world then it would be a far better place… and what is this about there being no ultimate truth??? everything is just relative??? hmmm… i doubt it… even if everything is just perceptions…

Im a good person. I dont do bad things. I dont love everyone. So what difference does it make?

No offence…but…you are slowly starting to be like “this is right” etc…instead of just being curious…so maybe chill a bit before we all start arguing or having ‘bitter’ conversations…

i cant be arsed lol

note taken aks and raver… sorry for the attitude (I try not to mean anything)

well… i mean something… i just don’t want to be aggressive… so sorry

tumble weed wrote:
note taken aks and raver… sorry for the attitude (I try not to mean anything)

its ok i know you dont…i just mean…sooner or later someone will flip at one of us…so we should probably not get too detailed etc on such a public website.

No need to apologise either. im only saying it for our own good lol

I have faith with god.
And I don’t follow a religion.
I just…believe.
In Life and Death.

therapsis wrote:
I think that the whole universe is therefore, quite literally, “divine will” because every action that happens is literally a thought or part of a thought in the mind of God.

Continue this to read “We are created in God’s image and therefore whatever we think is quite literally the mind of God, and we are creating it” and that is what I believe

I think few people believe like I do because it gives us unlimited power, and therfore unlimited responsibility.
But what if many people thought alike, then what could they create together as one. That is how we formed nation states from being cave men. That is how we formed businesses and corporations from being farmers. And that is how religions are formed, although religions change and new ones are formed because instead of thinking together religions sometimes ask you to think like someone else, or they think for you.

I would like to be a witness for God: my thought, and your thought. Can we think together

god was my copilot…but then we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.

now let us pray in a comment box…… cause god always visits these post……

okay… i wont even subject you too that if i am just kidding…….

you cant overuse elipses…….

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watc…

I believe!

Marconius wrote:
god was my copilot…but then we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.

holy cannibal, haha

Marconius had to eat him ,that is the truth and Lucifer took over and from now on every one is going to get roasted…like a barbecue full of tiny little people who once thought they can run this planet ,make wars make up the prices for fuel ,milk and our daily bread aaaaaaaaaaaaamen…..

Brad Pitt says: You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen.

well am a christian but not ur typical christian :P,,,, i believe in God , Jesus , Holy Ghost …
as i respect everybodies else believes :)… i hope everybody happiness and the best :) … no matter what do they believe in …

even though they’re going to hell?

tumble weed wrote:
even though they’re going to hell?

whats wrong with hell? ;)

tumble weed wrote:
even though they’re going to hell?

Yes Tumbleweed, even the Bible teaching that you should love everyone and as tricky says “wish them the best” even if they are “sinners and going to hell.” I think you need to go back and read your bible again.

spelling* I meant the Bible Teaches you should love everyone.

Too-shay!

Everyone needs to believe in something, even it is nothing. So many things have happened in my life that were good and some bad. I don’t believe any thing happens by chance or accident. I believe everyone has a predetermined path. The path has many branches and opportunities but, they all end up at the same place. As I look back even the bad things that happened to me had a reason. I choose to love Christ it makes me feel good in my heart. Maybe I’m selfish but, I don’t care if anyone else feels that way or not.

u do know that believing in god means christianity right?
if u believe in god u are christian
where u go from there determines whether ur catholic, mormon, protistant, or anything like that. any of those religions are based on christianity, whih is the belief in a god.
don’t believe me
search it

Sick_boy: there are 3 major religions (and some smaller ones) that advocate the belief in one God. Only one of them is Christianity.

monotheism is like a boring evening in with your grandmother

polytheism is like an awesome party filled with majorly crazy people

lets be honest kids, if you’re going to create your own religions, make them awesome

UCreateUrReality wrote:

tumble weed wrote:
even though they’re going to hell?

Yes Tumbleweed, even the Bible teaching that you should love everyone and as tricky says “wish them the best” even if they are “sinners and going to hell.” I think you need to go back and read your bible again.

but loving them is showing them the path is it not?? I do not claim to know the bible, I am not Christian, however, I do study the bible…

dude aks, you said that you believed in god, but not in any christian sense…….so in essence its your own religion, so, be imaginative

Don’t listen to Arnday he’s a Discoridian…and he is prohibited from believing what he reads… ;)

Keep it simple…

I believe in God / in an an existence of a Supreme Being.

The wherefor’s and why’s are my business.

Feel free everyone to choose to believe or not believe as you will. That’s your choice and it’s solely between you and your God (or) You and YOU.

thats true one of the pentabarf is not to believe anything we read, mind they are written down, so…. meh

p.s. dictionary says noooo on your definition of religion :)

__[ÅKSLOGISTIC® wrote:
__]Tumbleweed..yes, show the path, not drive em down the path with a gun to their head and a knife in their back

HUGE difference

i guess like the old proverb goes eh?

just live and let die…

Tumbleweed, its like I responded to your post: live by example, and if your example is good, others will follow

yeah… i liked that

Arnday the Imbroglio wrote:
thats true one of the pentabarf is not to believe anything we read, mind they are written down, so…. meh

p.s. dictionary says noooo on your definition of religion :)

yes I know, see the wink? LOL

__[ÅKSLOGISTIC® wrote:
__]
Tumbleweed..yes, show the path, not drive em down the path with a gun to their head and a knife in their back

HUGE difference

haha…you should copy and paste that onto every religious post. i dont think enough people realise that yet though.

well i would like to comment on certain ppl that i read their post …

well first of all if u believe in God that doesnt mean u are christian at all ,, if u believe in God u could be muslim and many other religion who believe in God …

about hell , if i love my brothers y dont i keep them from hell and tell them the way of the word , the word of God well , i preach threw my body not my words for words are easy if i wana really preach i should live by the word and act apone it , my life is a preach by itself … i really dont believe that i can change anybodies opinion about anything concerning religion ,, ppl believe in things not because they just woke up and say hek 2day i feel like being a christian or a muslim ,, they study , they learn
… u cant say all muslims are going to hell or any other religion ,, Jesus said ” when i needed food u gave me and when i was thirty u gave me water and the man replied and told him : i have never seen you before , jesus said : i’m in everybody you help ” this is not a direct quote if anybody has doubt about the quote i’ll get the reference and stuff … God looks at the heart of somebody… dont try to figure out how god works we are humans not gods can u not see ?

well put tricky

I hate these kind of posts. It causes too much dispute.

Thanks Mezina. I’m glad somebody else noticed that.

I realize I’m coming in kinda late, but… what do you mean “I believe in God”, I mean so what, so does satan what does “belief” do for you? (No disrespect meant, just asking.)

I guess I didn’t ask it correctly. In believing, does that mean you follow the God you believe in?

Some interesting points raised in this topic. Reminds me of a saying;

“Asking good questions is half of learning” Prophet Muhammad.

Tumble weed in particular has a very inquisitive mind, good for you. Earlier in the discussion a very important point was touched upon, that religion has become one of convenience. People follow certain ways of life because they ‘like it’ and not necessarily because it is the truth, and if something isn’t to their liking or whims and desires, they reject it. You can’t play these types of games with such fundamental realities. If something is the truth, you have to accept it, even if you don’t like it.

I think something needs to be said concerning-pushing it down your throat,preaching etc.As a Christian,I totally understand about this,since I never practiced or understood the Bible until the last couple yrs.Now I can say the believers of God have more of a knowledge about life that they want everyone else to have ,they’re excited and want to share,want everyone to be an overcomer,to have freedom ,a perfect undying Love,and lots more so they too can be happy( as they can be) in this world.It is also their pleasure job,( purpose )to save(bring people to God)as instructed by the Bible.We are not pushing something that is evil,but good and healthy.Yes,many do Quote the Bible,thats part of their instruction,I don’t do that cuz I know If u havent read the Bible and other factors.,you may not have that understanding.Please don’t see the Quoters as the opponent.we are for u not against u.And they are Human-the make mistakes,or misunderstand or misled,and have their own issues standing in their way.So don’t expect.Question,study, observe,practice and u too will be happier for it.If u want.

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
I think something needs to be said concerning-pushing it down your throat,preaching etc.As a Christian,I totally understand about this,since I never practiced or understood the Bible until the last couple yrs.Now I can say the believers of God have more of a knowledge about life that they want everyone else to have ,they’re excited and want to share,want everyone to be an overcomer,to have freedom ,a perfect undying Love,and lots more so they too can be happy( as they can be) in this world.It is also their pleasure job,( purpose )to save(bring people to God)as instructed by the Bible.We are not pushing something that is evil,but good and healthy.Yes,many do Quote the Bible,thats part of their instruction,I don’t do that cuz I know If u havent read the Bible and other factors.,you may not have that understanding.Please don’t see the Quoters as the opponent.we are for u not against u.And they are Human-the make mistakes,or misunderstand or misled,and have their own issues standing in their way.So don’t expect.Question,study, observe,practice and u too will be happier for it.If u want.

So if you just want to share it with us…how bout stop telling us we are working with the devil if we disagree…if you don’t agree that people are doing that give me a shout. I’d be glad to show you some posts that back it up.

Plus, NO…Christians do NOT KNOW more about life than non believers…they just know a different way…it does not make them more knowledgeable or better.

your just like the rest of them.

Like I said,there are those that say them things,The should’nt put it in such a harsh ways.Thats exactly my point of the last reply.To show that the ones that preach or push are human,they have issues ,May have misunderstood the Bible,been misled or taught differently,there are so many factors involved.They mean well.And some are still in the learning process.The best way I can explain it is,When someone starts to study the Bible ,They need to have an open mind,ears,and heart ready to learn and grow.About the knowledge,think about 2 ppl read the same book.They talk about it over lunch or whatever.,#1 really enjoyed it,soaking it all up with anticipation.Maybe even reads it again.#2 wasnt very interested,took many breaks,didnt put much thought into it.#1 will have more knowledge of that book than # 2-’THE OPEN MIND’ etc… so,yes we are more knowledgeable,and when we recieve the Holy Spirit(Gods’ spirit enters our body) he give us things like Clarity(clears our mind of needless clutter ) and a real KNOWING of how much we are Loved.AND MORE.These words I speak right now are coming from my body,but I’t’s his wisdom (the correct words) coming out of me,for you.out of me.And also,Most devout Christians are more successful,wealthier,happier,etc…….Than others.And no,I am not one to preach,push or any thing of the sort.You have judged me b 4 u know me.If You were to read my replies,etc…You would see I’m not like the ones you speak ofThey are the ones who give good Christians a bad name.If ever you are curious ,I suggest studying the King James version and/or begin with an open mind to Joyce Meyer Ministries.She’s the greatest.And funny.

Hooray for you—now __[ÅKSLOGISTIC®]__ stated that he ‘believed in God’ there is no mention of which one, nor that it even be the Judaic-Christian/Abrahamic God.

If we are created in Gods image or God is created in our image, does it really matter?

Every time a human being reads and interpretation the Bible, they are creating their own “image” or understanding of said God. Every time another sect is started—every a religious figure that tells you THIS WAY is the RIGHT way, every sermon…every threat—it all adds to the visage.

Idolatry is that pan they hand around while they bark at you telling you to pour out your heart by opening your check book—because it’s most obvious that an Omnipotent Deity really needs better lighting, more comfortable chairs, a more impressive structure and that really swanky car and house across town.

Let __[ÅKSLOGISTIC®]__ tell the world he has beliefs, and let him pray in a closet if he so chooses.

It is sad. :( We all try to make God what we want Him/Her to be, when in truth God is God. He/She was here before any of us, and was the way He/She is no matter how we choose to percieve Him/Her. We cannot change God. God does not try to live up to our expectations and does not love any of us more or less than any other. It is a shame that we have become so hard hearted toward God. If there is a God at all, it is reasonable to assume that He/She will not be mocked, and at some point He/She will say, “ENOUGH”. Those are just my thoughts, take them or leave them, either is ok.

[quote Felicity-{KIMKRISS}]Most devout Christians are more successful,wealthier,happier,etc…….Than others.quote]

I rest my case. Again, you are just like the others. If i cannot determine your character by what you say then i have nothing to go on. A blind person would do the same because they cannot see you.

So yeah, i am judging you on what you say…look at what you just said! do you not think that this is wrong? Can you not see that is a vile thing to say to someone?

I was about to say sorry to you…whilst reading your post…i thought you were like me…until i read that sentance. And then i realised, no…you really are like the rest.

Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

People get all worked up over the “definition” of God. In the first place, anything so huge as to be omnipotent is far larger than anything that can be defined by these words we speak. In the second, even the most fundamentalist Christians who all follow the Bible exclusively STILL have varying beliefs about God. Regardless of everything you’ve ever been taught, nothing can ever change your opinion. Personally I believe that when we die we become what humanity secretly fears most - a hive mind. Many people will disagree with me on that point, but it’s what I believe and there’s nothing to actually contradict it. I can’t prove it but it’s my opinion and nothing will change that.
So it’s kind of unfair to tell people EXACTLY who/what God is and how to worship Him and things like that. Anyone forced into a situation like that is going to reject it faster than a plastic skin graft. Christians should about the major points of God and leave the specifics to the individuals, where they belong. So long as you’re actually following what the Bible says, which to be honest is pretty straightforward, there’s no real cause for you to go wrong. So why fuss over little nitchy bits that probably don’t matter in the Grand Scheme of Things anyway?
Don’t ever let anyone tell you how to worship your God.

It seems to me that we all have delusions about the realities of the religions we are talking about, and that we are making vast generalizations while relating on specifics for each person. Leading by example is the best thing I’ve heard so far (and was taught in many religions — sermon on the mount by Jesus 14″You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.– by the Buddha, and spread by King Asoka — i’m not sure about others but i’m sure there are others out there that can testify [maybe another generalization]).

I can’t say that most of us are leading by example when we are attacking other religions and other people. These points have been made by numerous people in this post and others. Felicity brings up a good point about these Christians who evangelize. They feel like they have found God, it’s the best feeling in the world for them, and they want you to have it. Out of love they talk to you. I hope one day we can all appreciate that. You still have a choice to say no, even if some of them seem a little persistent. There is no need to get up in their face. In Islam, I believe, as a Muslim it is very much the same and there may be some writings about this, but I don’t know Islam very well. But it seems only natural that out of any religion when one has “found rest” and has found love for all that one spreads what caused this to occur.

T-weed,just my opinion,The “quoting”Is exactly what scares people off.They dont understand when spoken to that way.They see it as preaching etc…Have u read my other replies?I know you see this as a gift.but I think its not as effective.No offense to you.

I’m not christian… i’m just pointing to what things say… I stand on the shoulders of these texts, people, etc. I know I don’t have many of my own thoughts, i’m okay with that… I want people to know where these things come from… people often enjoy quotes from people… i don’t claim any major religion… but I am trying to learn… i’m looking… and if people arn’t willing to look at the sources, then they are going to be misguided by peoples supositions…

Nine-Was your last reply directed to any one in particular?I agree with what u said,your very smart.Except 4 one sentence,”Regardless..Opinions can and do change.people change their minds all the time.Even their beliefs.Just putting it out there on the table.Thats all.No offence.

opinions can change, and beliefs can change, but i find it doesnt happen that often… not when they have an establised one anyways. in this i see where felicity is coming from. i think.

Yeah,I know its harder when the’ve been set in their ways for a long time. but has and can b done.It’s a decision,a choice.all up to the individual.In their time,in their desires(depending on how much they want it.And i mean it to be” anything.” hope that makes sense.There is a saying ‘If u want it bad enough,you’ll find a way.”And i’ve known that to be true.

tumble weed wrote:
In Islam, I believe, as a Muslim it is very much the same and there may be some writings about this, but I don’t know Islam very well. But it seems only natural that out of any religion when one has “found rest” and has found love for all that one spreads what caused this to occur.

In Islam the duty of a muslim is only to deliver the message, and it is for God to call each people to account. From one of the verses in the Qur’an, it says,

16:125 “Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.”

Ultimately, it is not within any muslim’s capacity to make another person believe and find faith, these are things which are bestowed by God. However, it is within our capacity to deliver the message of God, to answer questions and doubts and reason with people.

When we invite people to God, we are not saying come join our fan club and wear our costumes. This is a misunderstanding of the definition of Islam. When people follow Christ, they called them christians; when people follow Buddha, they called them buddhists, but when people followed the message brought by Prophet Muhammad, they called them muslims. We don’t believe in one prophet, we believe that throughout history, since the day of Adam, God has sent some 124,000 prophets to guide people back to God, and they all preached the Oneness of God. A Prophet or Warner to every city and people. What is religion but to surrender before God. That is the purest, most simplest and universal definition of faith. Without giving names and labels, religion is to open our eyes and submit to God. That is the definition of Islam, look it up in an arabic dictionary and it will say ‘peace, surrender, submit’. When a jew is praying and worshipping, he is in a state of Islam. However, these days, Islam has become somewhat of a cultural label and is rigidly fixed to the traditional muslim way of life with images of beards and hijabs, and that is fair enough, but it should not be overlooked that there is a very universal aspect about the terms Islam and muslim. Let me give an example to illustrate this point; in another verse of the Qur’an the narration is given of the creation of earth, and it said that God turned to the sky and it was like smoke, and ‘We said to it and the earth, come together willingly or unwillingly’, and they said ‘We do come together in willing obedience’. And by that very act, the earth and sky are considered ‘muslims’ because they submit and surrender before God. So in this sense, the trees, the rock that sinks in the river, the hills, all are subject to God, all are muslims. So yes there is a definition of Islam that is typical of one who is following the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad, and there is also the broader meaning of Islam which encompasses the heavens and the earth. It is also taught in Islam, that every one is born in a natural and pure state of fitrah (in natural belief in One God). So it is also possible that such a person grows up, never heard about the word Qur’an or met any one, but believed in God and he would be considered a muslim in God’s sight. I’m sorry to drag on this point, but I just want to express that when looked at in the proper context, ‘Islam’ is the very essence of all faith, it is what connects all of creation to the Creator. When you have a river of water flowing, some call it the amazon, some will say it is the nile, but these are just labels and names, and if we tried to fit an analogy here, then the river of islam would just be called a river. Peace.

maybe we should answer his actual question now eh? He asked us what sleep was? We’re not being very “helpful” now are we? unless of course he thinks he is asleep and needs to be woken up… are you awake? do you think you’re awake?

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

I wasnt denying that i was judging you. Im not a ‘beat around the bush’ kinda girl. if i think something i’ll say it. And yeah im judging you by what you say.

if you think a christian is a better person simply because they are christian then you are wrong. there are lots of things about a person that makes them who they are. their religion is only one factor.

Again-I never used the word ‘better’.may i suggest to read slower.Or is it that there’s such a thick wall of defense that needs to be torn down.

No need to get personal is there. Its none of your business as to what my defence is or is like. And its none of your God dam business how i read.

[quote Felicity-{KIMKRISS}]Most devout Christians are more successful,wealthier,happier,etc…….Than others.[quote]

Need i say anymore.

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

Felicity - Humans JUDGE all the time, no one is above it for it is HOW we make decisions. Why do you think the head of a court is called a JUDGE?

Jade wrote:

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

Felicity - Humans JUDGE all the time, no one is above it for it is HOW we make decisions. Why do you think the head of a court is called a JUDGE?

well jade is somehow true in my point of view but not that true ,, i think we all have the same qualities like self centered , greedy …etc everybody has them btu we are different in the amount of degree we are self centered and stuff ,, just as like judgement … some ppl judge more and some pl less somehow … so i think KIMRISS is saying she doesnt judge most of the time …

Tricky, sorry but anyone who says “I don’t judge…I will not debate with those who judge”…apparently doesn’t grasp the concept that all humans judge in order to make decisions and it’s how we form our opinions. We receive information, decide(judge) that information to be acceptable/accurate/worthy of further consideration…now, where does that information come from….PEOPLE.

Anyway, This is Brian’s post stating his believe. Sorry Brian, to take it off topic.

Jade wrote:
Tricky, sorry but anyone who says “I don’t judge…I will not debate with those who judge”…apparently doesn’t grasp the concept that all humans judge in order to make decisions and it’s how we form our opinions. We receive information, decide(judge) that information to be acceptable/accurate/worthy of further consideration…now, where does that information come from….PEOPLE.

well in the bible it is written dont judge that is why KIM saying she doesnt judge but ofcourse she does but less than most ppl maybe … i think the word judge in the bible has a different meaning than the usual judge word… i think KIM is using the bible judge which is i think : conclude something about someone ( in a bad way ) ur word judge means : to form a judgment or opinion of; decide upon critically….

i read somewhere that christians are happier and stuff well i believe,, true christians are happier not because they are more lucky or because they will have alot of money but because of the bible and the teaching of God that’s my opinion as i respect your …

i think u arent understanding each other that’s all :)….no need to fight :D … peace out :)

I think everyone makes a conclusion about someone.

For example, i have a lot of friends on here. And for various different problems, i would choose one to go to rather than the other. Then someone else for a different problem.

And for myself to have to do that, i would of had to judge each one of them. and come up with a conclusion about each person, deciding what i believe their personality to be like etc.

Whether this is a right or wrong assumption cannot be argued too much, as if its the way someone chooses to portray themselves. Then they have to expect that. All they can do is dispute it.

But there is no reason for people to give it loads of drama and be like ‘dont judge me’. Thats like asking a leapord to get some stripes and ditch the spots!

RaverBarbie wrote:
I think everyone makes a conclusion about someone.For example, i have a lot of friends on here. And for various different problems, i would choose one to go to rather than the other. Then someone else for a different problem.And for myself to have to do that, i would of had to judge each one of them. and come up with a conclusion about each person, deciding what i believe their personality to be like etc.Whether this is a right or wrong assumption cannot be argued too much, as if its the way someone chooses to portray themselves. Then they have to expect that. All they can do is dispute it.But there is no reason for people to give it loads of drama and be like ‘dont judge me’. Thats like asking a leapord to get some stripes and ditch the spots!

yeah u are right we make conclusions ,, we choose our friends due to judgment u are right but we choose our friends not because they are good or bad or whatever but because u feel like u understand that person more because they are more like you then other u feel u can relate and stuff … judgment in my point of view is normal ,, but i think the bible judgment is to conclude that somebody is no good or worthless , u may not like them but u dont have to conclude that they are worthless nor not important just as when u dont agree with somebody u can,, agree to disagree or conclude that they are wrong and u are only right ,, see what am trying to say …

i like the leapord part :P

we are all brother and sister :)…. there is no reason on earth or on heaven why two ppl must attack each other in words or in hands :) …

Yeah i agree. Being agreessive or violant is not the answer. But sometimes we want to defend ourselves aswell, and i would never think bad of someone for doing so.

The bible’s view of judgement doesnt seem very nice…

does it really mean that you are either good or worthless?

I think religious or non religious, we all deserve to be treated the same, by a higher power or by others.

So many people use religion as a reason to either
a. tell them there wrong. or
b. tell them there going to condemmed and judged, not by what they do or how they live their life, but by the fact that they are not the same as the other person…

RaverBarbie wrote:
Yeah i agree. Being agreessive or violant is not the answer. But sometimes we want to defend ourselves aswell, and i would never think bad of someone for doing so.The bible’s view of judgement doesnt seem very nice…does it really mean that you are either good or worthless?I think religious or non religious, we all deserve to be treated the same, by a higher power or by others.So many people use religion as a reason to either a. tell them there wrong. or b. tell them there going to condemmed and judged, not by what they do or how they live their life, but by the fact that they are not the same as the other person…

“does it really mean that you are either good or worthless?”

i was giving this as an example if u choose somebody over another as a friend u really dont feel like they are worthless or no good it’s just that u have different point of view and stuff ,, when i said that i ment that the bible states dont measure ppl if they are wrong or right,,,,, u arent friends because u have different perspective not because they are no good and worthless … i think when in the bible it is said dont judge it means dont say like he i not good to be my friend(friend example) , cause everybody is who they are because of a long history not because one day they woke up and said hek 2day am going to be greedy …

only Jesus judges , for he looks to the heart …

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

sorry…one last thing though…why would you need to feel you have to come to this post to DEFEND you religion and yourself. Brian was simply saying that he believes. Where is the need to defend?

Personally, I think more people should have the brass ones to speak out and say I BELIEVE in God…and just leave it at that - it says it all. No fear, No shame, No points to argue…just a SIMPLE proclomation of belief. BEAUTIFUL.

Jade wrote:

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Raver-youre taking it personal and youre still judging me.and thats your perogative.It’s a fact- youre judging, not a personal attack in any way.It’s also a fact what i said about being more happier etc…Like i said-read my posts,replies,then u believe what u want.U will see i dont judge,get offended,Love everyone etc..I’m not here to prove anything.I joined this post to defend My religion and myself to show ppl that not all Christians preach etc..They are not practicing what theyve been taught or ?I will not debate with those who judge .

sorry…one last thing though…why would you need to feel you have to come to this post to DEFEND you religion and yourself. Brian was simply saying that he believes. Where is the need to defend?Personally, I think more people should have the brass ones to speak out and say I BELIEVE in God…and just leave it at that - it says it all. No fear, No shame, No points to argue…just a SIMPLE proclomation of belief. BEAUTIFUL.

i’ve talked with KIM and seen her alot on help.com ,, she only means good … chill girls… what difference does it make , if u are right or wrong?

I am very chilled…you can actually call me Ice Queen if you would like. LOL.

kk ice queen :D

I think Brian made his point. His post was only to “witness” to the fact that he believed in God. he didn’t even ask for help or for anyone else’s opinions. I think the fact that it has caused so much disruption and bickering makes it obvious that personal witnessing about religious beliefs should not be done here, or should be ignored.

I believe there is a difference between being unduly judgmental, and in contrast to having a just bias. The former carries a ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude and tone, while the latter is simply about being fair and just.

…sigh…so much to say…but I am going to let it rest…it just doesn’t belong here.

Okay, but just because we have more discussion about topics does not mean there is more understanding or that we automatically learn more. In fact, sometimes the opposite is true because of choosing to see what we want to see, and not what is there

Ok people…the third one is a trick…

I read everything, and now I must go bang my head against a wall :)