Love help: My proposition for a new education system. - Help.com

I don’t agree with averaging everyone’s grades. Students should learn to be intrinsically motivated and not be punished for one or two slackers in the class. Also, as for quizzes not being direct questions, I don’t think it’s fair to grade students on their opinions. I agree they should be challenged and taught to think “outside of the box”, but not for a grade. I also think 25 kids is too large for a class. Let’s make it 10-15 for more personal attention. Also, students can take notes whenever they want.

If I knew that my grade was going to be whatever the class average is, I wouldn’t do a **** thing all year.

I don’t know what kind of a school you go to, but most test questions do involve thinking.

Just go to a good college.

There are no multiple choice, T/F, or one-word response type exams here. =(

You know, there’s nothing stopping you from giving yourself your own education in addition to whatever crap you get out of school. That’s what I did.

I also feel that averaging the grades would be a bad move. Western culture isn’t structured in the right way for that to work. There would be too much resistance, a lot of conflict, and a whole hell of a lot more slackers.

I know that if school was like that when I was younger I would fail even harder than I was, just to stick it to the bullies I didnt like.

I hate essays. I’m not a good writer, and I can still think logically and deep. Education should be structured to suit all learning styles.

AnishK wrote:

yodaluv12 wrote:
I don’t know what kind of a school you go to, but most test questions do involve thinking.

I mean logical, deep thinking mini-essay questions. All we have is that multiple choice sh!t.

But thats the funnest test one can get! ^.^

But if school was like that when I was younger I know for a fact I would fail even harder just to be an asshole (I was a big jerk a few years ago)

Disagree with that. The US has such a broad spectrum of parents that no one was really raised the same. And now your education system is sounding like a dictatorship “Get A’s or have no friends or social life”.

haha, I only recently discovered this thing you call “friends”…like I said, I was a BIG asshole.

I don’t know how many kids in grade school care about grades, really.

Sounds like communism… and I like it! :)

The only fault is there are these piggy back slackers that wouldn’t do much during the year and pretty much try to just coast on other people’s grades. PLUS they’ll be bringing DOWN my grade… It would definitely benefit a lot of people, but also will hurt some.

Like communism, it sounds good on paper (or in text) but it may not turn out so well in real life. I can see it now, dictator students who make the majority of students work for them so they can all reap the benefits.. haha.

Ok so my point is, I think it’s an awesome idea, you’ll just have to make it work somehow.

cool. but it’d have to be in a very different world to this one where all the people cared about others enough.
sorry if that’s already been addressed, i didn’t read all the other replies.

What happens if half of the class is genius, and the other half idiot, and the geniuses are held in the average range because of their mates? Does that seem like a structure that is conducive to generating productive members of society? the geniuses will feel less valued, and will work less.

I’m so glad I’m not in grade school anymore. I used to obsess about how insufficient our education system was/is; every day felt like mind-rape. I was sick with rage, always ready for a war… Thank god I’m out. Life is so relaxing and peaceful now, I’m enjoying it immensely.

Mm see that wouldn’t work for me. Half my friends don’t care about school- they fail. However, the homework thing would be nice- it’s mostly based off failing homework. And I agree with Night- perhaps the groups divided into skill level. The only problem is the grading system.

That sounds a bit better. How about you get two grades? The average grade of the class, and your part in the class.

hmmm interesting twist Mittens… then you could average the two to make one grade too!

AnishK wrote:

Bluecat wrote:
You know, there’s nothing stopping you from giving yourself your own education in addition to whatever crap you get out of school. That’s what I did.

Yeah, I know. It’s just depressing, the system is.

I agree. Schools could be much much better, and lots more fun. I’m sick of competiveness. That’s what it’s all about lately: competition. Working together can actually be a lot more inspiring, and get you further. But no, we like war. We want to be on top. Imagine thinking we’re “the best country on earth.” That’s just plain dumb, and embarrassing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZM… (Lewis Black)

oh dear.
averaging people’s grades would…no. i vote no.

a.) i always read your posts
b.) ok well, you’d have to have some sort of variation depending on the subject of the class. for example; 30% of my english class is writing. which, to me, makes perfect sense.
c.) 30% for one exam? ****. i’d flunk that.
d.) i can’t agree more about the homework thing, but then again, who WANTS to have homework?
e.) i don’t really care if we have trimesters, or semesters.
f.) but WOAH. what school do you go to where kids would work for other people’s grades? as far as i can tell, high school is a selfish, brutal place. and that would just breed conflict. no one would give a flying **** about their work if it was just going into the pot (but then again, no one cares about their work anyway so w/e).
g.) sooo, about essay questions. you do socratic seminars / class discussions right? that’s how i learn. it makes me think. going through the process and getting deeper into the literature by exploring it with my peers is a wonderful experience. we do not get graded on it. solely on class participation. that is a beautiful thing. it means that you’re not being forced into trying to wildly come up with something brilliant. you can bounce ideas off each other, get information and help if you need it, go ahead and LEARN something FROM those going through the SAME things, on the SAME level. and you’re not punished for it. (h.) personally i think being graded is punishishment. yes, it lets you know how you’re doing, which i value, but at the same time it’s almost as if they’re trying to rate you. say how much you’re worth to them. and when you get a bad grade; what the hell is the point of trying again. bad grades are for kids who aren’t trying. those who do try, and still fail? that’s just plain mean.
i.) teach me something darling?

AnishK, you wrote “…and no teacher has the right to cut into a student’s life outside of school.”
I think you got the teachers’ roles in this a bit wrong.

Or perhaps I am wrong? Teachers may be evil members of the government-led conspirancy to cut into the kids’ lives with such unneccessities as schools and education? Life could be so much better playing X-box and stuff, instead of that school thingie…

Hrm… let me put it this way: Immigrant kids from certain countries, e.g. from Vietnam and from Hungary, are usually top students in US schools, averaging sky high above other students. After leaving school, they get well paid top jobs. That is NOT a result of being more intelligent than the average American kid, but a result of working hard during the school years (including some evenings/weekends). If it was not for such hard working students, nobody would be able to invent any X-boxes.

I am Swedish. My country is known for being ahead of the development in most countries. Believe me, we have gone through all sorts of experiments with our educational system and more or less spoiled some generations! We are slowly struggling our way back to something pretty much alike what we started from.

But school is stressful and there are merits in some of what you write. One thing does not neccessarily have to exclude all other. It is for instance very good to train project work.
But it is also very important to be able to measure development and results, so I think there should be very many tests, instead of only one or a few. The test schedule gives a clear curriculum guidance, and tests are also training tools. Many tests makes it less disasterous to flunk in a chapter or two. Your teacher is a mentor and helper. In a system with many tests, he/she will be able to pinpoint your weaknesses more exactly, and can thereby help you instead of just concluding that “this student is generally useless”.

School is an opportunity and not a punishment!

“Or perhaps I am wrong? Teachers may be evil members of the government-led conspirancy to cut into the kids’ lives with such unneccessities as schools and education? Life could be so much better playing X-box and stuff, instead of that school thingie…”

well that sounds downright pissy
D:

Yes i.s.s.y, it does.

School is there for a reason. OK, it cuts into the life of a kid, but we have not found any better system. Parents (and others) pay through their noses for it, so everybody want it to be as efficient as possible.