I’d say coutesy, cuase it’s not really required to leave a tip. But I guess it could be seen as etiquette, since it’s really not socially acceptable not to leave one.
melt wrote:
*ahem* coincidence? ;-)
Not at all a coincidence, but I didn’t want to sabotage your post.
JesusMurphy! wrote:
I’d say coutesy, cuase it’s not really required to leave a tip. But I guess it could be seen as etiquette, since it’s really not socially acceptable not to leave one.
Which brings to mind mandatory tipping services. How can a courtesy be mandatory? Do you refuse in order to reinforce that point?
no worries! i agree with jesusmurphy that it’s not socially acceptable not to, even though it is a “gratuity”… that’s why i overcompensated this morning, embarassed by the mere idea that we would’ve left having undertipped if i’d left the bill up to my man.
i think it all has to do with american taxation because tipping is not a universal (international) standard. people in the service industry only have to claim something like 8% of their cash tips to avoid audit (or something like that) and ALL of their paper trail ones (credit cards, etc.) that’s also why they can get paid less than minimum wage, because employers account for the difference in tips.
this is why i always tip in cash. :) stick it to the man! hehe
i have another question along the same lines… say you have a bartender friend who discounts or comps your bill… do you tip him the difference of the bill plus tip or based on the total before discounts? how about a massage therapist with his own practice who charges you a set fee? do you tip him, even though you know he’s not paying a “booth rental” fee since it’s his own practice? he could just charge you his rate including “tip”, right?
i tip based on what the bill would be either way, because of the whole socially unacceptable premise. but again, none of it is required.
ok, lets say it like this: you work for damn near minimum wage all day, and the bulk of your income comes from people’s tips
but i think it pays minimum BECAUSE of tips. no? my friends in other countries who work in service industries earn more per hour doing the same job.
Well I’m split, I’m all for flouting society’s conventions but I was taught a few manners, therefore I would also tip service personnel. The bartender friend I would tip the difference plus tip, just because he is demonstrating courtesy to a friend by discounting, yet on your behalf etiquette would dictate you “accept” yet reimburse, thus also demonstrating courtesy. It’s a pain where I sit on. Same with the masseuse, though Ideally he would such a good friend he would absolutely refuse, thus allowing you to enjoy guilty pleasure. That’s my say, what do think?
melt wrote:
but i think it pays minimum BECAUSE of tips. no? my friends in other countries who work in service industries earn more per hour doing the same job.
no, it pays minimum wage because its the FSI.
Belief wrote:
Well I’m split, I’m all for flouting society’s conventions but I was taught a few manners, therefore I would also tip service personnel. That’s my say, what do think?
I figure hey, it’s a poverty-wage, tough job where you frequently get **** on. I don’t mind sparing a few bucks helping them out, especially if they’re extra generous with the coffee and smiles :). Unless they’re COMEPLETE assholes to me, of course.
Baconator96 wrote:
melt wrote:
but i think it pays minimum BECAUSE of tips. no? my friends in other countries who work in service industries earn more per hour doing the same job.
no, it pays minimum wage because its the FSI.
That’s pretty vague, we all know it’s FSI (if you mean food services industries.) that’s a no brainer, yet your reply doesn’t actually answer the question. I’m pretty sure you just contributed nothing. By the way if that’s what you meant, oops, please elaborate and my mistake. But if it is….again nothing.
the bartender friend i don’t pay the difference because he’s not really doing anyone a favor but himself he expected me to. he discounts it as a hook-up for me; i tip him in full as a thank-you. the massage guy is actually an acquaintence, and i was so stressed about payment and tipping that i called our mutual friends before my appt. they suggested that at his $150/ hr rate at the resort (way higher than his independent practice), his tips range $20-$25. they told me that, being a friend, he’d discount even his normal rate for me, so to pay $20 or 20%, whichever i could afford. i reasoned that since “rich” people are ok with tipping $20 on $150 bill, that’s what i would tip, regardless of what he charged me. (he charged me $60.) i was ok with that because i am usually charged $80 for an hour massage anyway.
i really should preview my replies. i meant *if* he expected me to pay the difference plus tip.
JesusMurphy! wrote:
Belief wrote:
Well I’m split, I’m all for flouting society’s conventions but I was taught a few manners, therefore I would also tip service personnel. That’s my say, what do think?
I figure hey, it’s a poverty-wage, tough job where you frequently get **** on. I don’t mind sparing a few bucks helping them out, especially if they’re extra generous with the coffee and smiles :). Unless they’re COMEPLETE assholes to me, of course.
Yeah I’m sure we’re all just confused if we should be tipping the mean and useless ones. I bet we have no qualms on tipping the good ones.
lol i start at 20% and go up or down. i feel like if you hate the job, you shouldn’t be doing it. at least you can communicate that via tip to a food service worker. what do you do when it’s a customer service agent who clearly hates his/ her job/ life?!
basically, the food service industry is a thankless job thats there for people while their working their way thru high-school or college (hopefully, anywho) or working several similar jobs to make ends meet in which case, they wish they couldve/did go to college so they wouldnt have to work several jobs. its also manual labor, one of the least paying jobs in the country.
Well hopefully not tipping the jerk ones will train them to be less jerk-like.
Baconator96 wrote:
one of the least paying jobs in the country.
we can’t all be crab fishermen
JesusMurphy! wrote:
Well hopefully not tipping the jerk ones will train them to be less jerk-like.
exactly
Does that necessitate tipping individuals who are ornery and at times plain rude? Just because they’re possibly working their way though their education? I’m wondering should we tip useless individuals, when they do such a job we might as well have done it ourselves and heck on occasions do, do it ourselves. IDK about you guy’s but I’ve a few waiters where I just told them, “get lost”.
melt wrote:
Baconator96 wrote:
one of the least paying jobs in the country.
we can’t all be crab fishermen
or grocery store workers
Anyways I’m off to bed, it’s 4am here people.
Baconator96 wrote:
melt wrote:
Baconator96 wrote:
one of the least paying jobs in the country.
we can’t all be crab fishermen
or grocery store workers
LOL SERIOUSLY!
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