Money help: Why do blacks have an easier time getting in to college and getting good jobs? - Help.com

u just controdicted yourself,

they dnt get the better jobs, and if they do its becauise better qualified.

This is bullshit. So the reason that so many black people are in prison is because the man is giving them a fair chance? Do some statistical research, you might learn something.

What are you talking about?

Affirmative action does not apply towards job marketability. Regardless your comments are off on so many different levels there is really no point in addressing them.

They don’t and if you think they do you must be confusing affirmative action with ease of getting a job.

Anonymous wrote:
u just controdicted yourself,

they dnt get the better jobs, and if they do its becauise better qualified.

Agreed.
Who are you to say that they are not qualified?
I mean you are baseing the fact that they got the job on their nationality when they would have got it for their skills….

Grow up!!
Really…
I am not usualy blunt here but I think you need to think before you speak.

u must be pretty uneducated yourself to think that

uhhhhh, isn’t it the opposite?

Anonymous wrote:
u must be pretty uneducated yourself to think that

I never said I was educated or uneducated but even a fool knows the difference between right and wrong :)

i ment the person who wrote this post is uneducated

Anonymous wrote:
i ment the person who wrote this post is uneducated

Oh ok, maybe I am a little defensive given the nature of the post, but I still agree that even a fool knows the difference between right and wrong..
But thank you for clearing that up :)

Yes there are a bunch of whites out there having such a rough time making it. Life is so unfair for all the white people.

Look around at the halls of government, judges, CEO’s etc.

First of all affirmative action is voluntary except in cases where there is a proven track record of discrimination.

Secondly here is a very simplified version of what happened in this nation and the way people learn.

From the 1600’s when Europeans first settled this nation Blacks were enslaved and it was actually against the law for them to learn to read and write. They were built the infrastructure of this nation’s towns and cities, while not being paid, and not being allowed to learn. In the late 1800’s they were freed, but still not allowed to vote (except for reconstruction). They weren’t allowed to go to schools on par with those that whites were going to. Meanwhile whites were establishing businesses, contacts, connections and education. Their children had the opportunity of being raised by educated adults. Not all were, but they at least had the opportunity. Whites were allowed to vote for people who looked after their interests. Most blacks were not allowed to even vote, so they had no one to represent them in govt. They weren’t allowed equal education until the late 1950’s. They weren’t allowed to vote until mid-way through the 60’s. So for 400 years one race made the rules, had representation in government, had generations of contacts, connections, and knowledge of how business worked in this nation. They also had generations of education to draw from when raising their children.

People who have studied how humans learn know that more than half of it comes from the home, and not from schools. We also know that it takes 3 generations for changes to become ingrained. So having people who were prevented from getting an equal education of having equal business contacts and experience, raising children, but without the same experiences to pass on.

So the only way to change that is to fast track certain groups to help provide them the opportunities they were denied.

In education and certainly in jobs only qualified applicants are taken. Race is only one factor, and nobody unqualified gets in. The only time affirmative action is mandatory is if there is a history of proven discrimination.

I’ve never seen a documented case where an uqualified workers or student was given something based only on race. I’ve heard people whine and moan that is what happened, but how do they know the person who got the job or acceptance to school wasn’t also qualified as well as a minority?

Belief wrote:
Affirmative action does not apply towards job marketability. Regardless your comments are off on so many different levels there is really no point in addressing them.

Exactly. Affirmative Action is a lot more than you seem to think it is, anon. You should really do your research and learn more about what you’re trying to talk about than just spewing out nonsense you might have heard from some Nazi on television.

Even with Affirmative Action, blacks still have a tough time getting into college and getting jobs. AA doesn’t fix racism because it’s about so much more than race.

For example, when you apply to college, a lot of schools use a “check” system to evaluate you. So for me, it could be like this:

Non-white
Female +
GPA over 3.5 +
From urban area
From rural area
Attended X high school
Attended Y high school +

The admissions people cont up your “checks” to see how well you’ll fit their school environment. It’s not the best system, but for a lot of places, it works.

Also, if you think AA gives blacks a leg up, how do you feel about women in the workplace? Because AA is supposed to help us out too. And yet, the glass ceiling is still firm in many companies…

Women do face a glass celing, and also get paid less for doing the exact same job as men in the in the same position.

eqspike wrote:
Women do face a glass celing, and also get paid less for doing the exact same job as men in the in the same position.

And yet, Affirmative Action is supposed to be giving us an advantage. If this is what white women face, I can’t imagine what it’s like for blacks and other races.

PLUS there’s the whole issue of tokenism, when companies hire one “token” woman and minority person (or, kill two birds with one stone by hiring a minority woman), then point that them and say, See! See! Affirmative Action!

KateMonster wrote:

eqspike wrote:
Women do face a glass celing, and also get paid less for doing the exact same job as men in the in the same position.

And yet, Affirmative Action is supposed to be giving us an advantage. If this is what white women face, I can’t imagine what it’s like for blacks and other races.

PLUS there’s the whole issue of tokenism, when companies hire one “token” woman and minority person (or, kill two birds with one stone by hiring a minority woman), then point that them and say, See! See! Affirmative Action!

That stuff definitely happens. It was even worse before, though. I’ll agree the current system isn’t perfect and women are discriminated against.

eqspike wrote:
That stuff definitely happens. It was even worse before, though. I’ll agree the current system isn’t perfect and women are discriminated against.

That’s why we need something like Affirmative Action. It isn’t a great solution, but it’s better than nothing.

Crikey! We wouldn’t need Affirmative Action if these groups hadn’t been discriminated against in the first place.

Cookie Dough! wrote:
Crikey!

This is one of the many reasons why you’re awesome.

daivik.ort wrote:
that is true. If a black person shows that they have the skills necessary to do a job, then they should get the job. If they do not have the skills necessary then they should not get the job just like any other person. For the last hundreds of years blacks have been asking to be treated equally. Now they are except you can’t fire a black person without a lawsuit.

Yeah all those poor oppressed white people out there being held down by the black power structure.