When two people share the same experience and then tell others about that experience it is different because they have seen the event through their own eyes and tell it based on what it is that they personally saw and experienced.
Hi conorjmduf,
Would you be so kind as to provide an example so that we may be of some help to you….
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Hi Fizz I take your point but the differences are huge. Matthew has the star or bethlehem, 3 wise men, slaughter of the innocents, flight into Egypt etc but Luke has none of these things. Meanwhile Luke has the census that Matthew never mentions. They may as well have been writing about two different events.
Fizz wrote:
When two people share the same experience and then tell others about that experience it is different because they have seen the event through their own eyes and tell it based on what it is that they personally saw and experienced.
Fizz is 100% correct. This shouldn’t be a stumbling block for you at this moment. Your search will uncover wonderful things about Our HEAVENLY FATHER and Our LORD. Continue onward pressing forward to your highest calling…..you won’t be disappointed.
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Not two different events, just two different point of views.
I could sit here and tell you about another post on this site and there might be things I miss or forget.
If someone else told you about the same post on this site that I had already told you about their memory would be completely different then mine. They would remember things that maybe I had forgotten or not even saw at all.
Thanks Fizz thanks Info PRO- I know that two people can have two completely different takes on the same event- that’s a given but is there evidence that both versions are correct. If the star of Bethlehem occurred at the time of the census then these would have been two landmark events that people wouldn’t forget in a hurry. Do any of the ancient ex-biblical writers mention anything?
This is an interesting discusion. It still does not answer the posters question.
It doesn’t matter how many diiferent acounts there are, it matters that one or all of them are correct or that none of them are correct.
Which one of these accounts is the correct one?
Truthfully, I have never studied that based on historical perspective, I accept the accounts based on Faith.
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I’m making the assumption that you are talking about the one in Matthew versus the one in Luke with different family trees. If that be the case then it is because one follows the lineage of Joeseph and the other follows the lineage of Mary.
But which if any is the correct assumption?
I believe that they are both correct.
If you you look into who is who then both. Matthew was a tax collector and as a rule, looked at the world from that point of view. Luke was a octor and looked at the world from that point of view. The things that seemed important to one may not seem important to another.
How can they both be correct?
Fizz wrote:
Truthfully, I have never studied that based on historical perspective, I accept the accounts based on Faith.
I agree with this statement
Fizz wrote:
When two people share the same experience and then tell others about that experience it is different because they have seen the event through their own eyes and tell it based on what it is that they personally saw and experienced.
I also agree with this statement. I believe both accounts are true. In my life I have been in situations where maybe I didn’t see everything from the same viewpoint as my friends did. I wasn’t wrong they where not wrong we just saw from a different angle. They where from different places in life.
They are not contradictory. So they can both be correct. Which detail seems contradictory?
You still don’t answer my question. I repeat how can both be the truth?
Watcher wrote:
They are not contradictory. So they can both be correct. Which detail seems contradictory?
Watcher wrote:
They are not contradictory. So they can both be correct. Which detail seems contradictory?
Agreed.
Sorry hun,I don’t know what a birth narrative is.I hope you have or get what your looking for :)
Felicity, the birth of Christ, you know that narrative.
So what you say between you is that you assume and it has to believed because you have to have faith.
Ok here’s a detail- the slaughter of the innocents- According to Matthew Joseph takes the Holy Family to Egypt but according to Luke the Family stay around Jerusalem so that Jesus can be offered as first fruits and they actually stay around for a few more weeks because Mary herself has to be purified according to Jewish custom. Meanwhile Herod is in one of his rants!! These details are important. I am not trying to pour cold water on faith- trying to find it myself if anything but facts are important
I don’t assume anything, but there are things I accept based on faith.
I wish I had your faith Fizz! maybe one day.
I have no answer to you question, none of it is provable. Even the words in the bible dont agree.
Good example. One major detail is left out and that is the timing of the wise men, they didn’t actually see Jesus until He was a bit older (as old as two). So many things could have happened during that time frame.
Concerning the Star of Bethlehem comes this reference:
Micah 5:2 ¶ But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Soo we see here that the Savior will come out of Bethlehem. That is why you read the following:
Matthew 2:2 ¶ Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his Star in the east, and are come to worship him.
So I believe that the term Star of Bethlehem was taken from these statements. For the Star of Bethlehem is only mentioned once and I believe it references these two scriptures concerning the Savior.
Saturday, I was leaving the house, before I left I had to turn off the lights, check all the doors and then make sure I locked the door behind me.
Sunday, when I told a friend that I had went somewhere on Saturday I didn’t tell them that I turned off the lights, checked my doors or locked the door behind me. I simply said, I left the house.
Hi Watcher- Is there any proof for that- i.e. that two years had elapsed?
Your not going to find faith by looking for proof.
When the “wise men” saw the star they were at home in the east. It was a reference point for them to follow and since transportation at that time was a bit on the slow side, it is assumed that it could have taken as much as two years.
If you look in Matt 2:8 you’ll notice that Herod is looking for a young child, not a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes.
Fizz- God wants us to discover him- The Christian faith says that God came down to earth in the form of man. By doing that he became part of historical space and time. If that’s the case then faith and evidence should go hand in hand. Here in Ireland there are a lot of people of my generation (34 yrs old) who are screaming for evidence. If you have no need for the evidence then you are one of the lucky ones!
I must admit, ni many ways I am like you Conor. But it is the evidence that has strengthened my faith until now it is my faith that is the evidence.
Correction - in many ways
I’m not saying that I have not seen evidence and that has strengthened my faith, however Faith by definition is the belief in things not seen.
What is the difference in faith and trust?
conorjmduf wrote:
Fizz- God wants us to discover him- The Christian faith says that God came down to earth in the form of man. By doing that he became part of historical space and time. If that’s the case then faith and evidence should go hand in hand. Here in Ireland there are a lot of people of my generation (34 yrs old) who are screaming for evidence. If you have no need for the evidence then you are one of the lucky ones!
IRELAND! WOW! That’s too sad! Ireland was the last transplanted church by Apostle Paul. This is why they fight soo hard with the catholics over there. The GLORY OF GOD would fall on their night
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