Well, first of all, catholisism is a section of christianity, but I guess you already knew that.:P
I think that Christians is the basic belief in christ as your savior while catholicism has it’s own specific beliefs and practices in addition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic…
there aint much difference - apart from that catholics believe that the virgin Mary in fact gave a immaculate birth- as in god made her pregnant - whilst Christians believe that Joseph was Jesus father. As i have understood it….
In addition to this - and i hope not to upset anyone by these words -.-
Henry the 8th (i think) founded the christain religion so that he could remarry. Could be a good read if ya googled it :0)
Catholics (and I’m referring to orthodox here) have a bit more defined belief in exactly what they believe of god. Things that Catholics believe that not all Christians do include the trinity (father, son, and holy spirit), aspects of divine intervention, and gods divine will in occurances on earth, such as the election of the pope, which leads to other beliefs such as the infallibility of the pope, and that the Catholic church (again, as orthodox, I know plenty who don’t believe some of this) has ultimate authority, whereas other Christians believe in the bible as the ultimate authority (following traditionalist beliefs here)
Exactly what is Orthodox?
jaizon wrote:
there aint much difference - apart from that catholics believe that the virgin Mary in fact gave a immaculate birth- as in god made her pregnant - whilst Christians believe that Joseph was Jesus father. As i have understood it….In addition to this - and i hope not to upset anyone by these words -.-Henry the 8th (i think) founded the christain religion so that he could remarry. Could be a good read if ya googled it :0)
That goes into specific sects of protestantism (anyone who isn’t catholic, but is christian, is technically protestant) Some do also believe in the immaculate conception, for example, I’m pretty sure that Lutherans do.
Henry the 8th founded the church of england because the orthodox catholic church forbade divorce.
When i say Orthodox Catholic, I mean Catholicism as it is written in the Roman Catholic Catechism
Jaison, do you mean to say that the entirety of Christianity was founded by henry the 8th, or just Catholicism?
Either way, I think you are wrong. He founded the church of England.
GAH! Beat me to it. You are a sly one.
I’ve done quite a bit of study on religion, particularly the progression of the Jew, Christian, and Islamic faiths, and am working on the eastern religions right now. I’d sure hope I know what I’m talking about :-)
This is a very interesting subject.. I would like to hear more.
I haven’t really gone beyond the basic principles of each religion. The intricacies, every little practice and belief, they don’t concern me much.
Although, that may just be because I am not a Theist. :)
Tuesdayswithmorrie wrote:
jaizon wrote:
there aint much difference - apart from that catholics believe that the virgin Mary in fact gave a immaculate birth- as in god made her pregnant - whilst Christians believe that Joseph was Jesus father. As i have understood it….In addition to this - and i hope not to upset anyone by these words -.-Henry the 8th (i think) founded the christain religion so that he could remarry. Could be a good read if ya googled it :0)
That goes into specific sects of protestantism (anyone who isn’t catholic, but is christian, is technically protestant) Some do also believe in the immaculate conception, for example, I’m pretty sure that Lutherans do.
Henry the 8th founded the church of england because the orthodox catholic church forbade divorce.
When i say Orthodox Catholic, I mean Catholicism as it is written in the Roman Catholic Catechism
Thanx - now i know better =)
Well, I am in college heading for a Doctorate of Philosophy in Psychology… so… yea, I try.
Anyway, the Catholic church claims a lineage of popes tracing all the way back to “Saint Peter the Rock” aka, Peter the Apostle. Whether they formed before or after the Greek Orthodox church… I’d have to look up, but they formed separately, really around 400 AD. The reason for separation delves into theology which would take gobs of effort to explain. If you want to know, I’ll have to direct you to look it up yourself. Anyway, the Church formed, spread it’s power over most of Europe, holding sway even over kings. Over time, different people disagreed with the Catholic church for one reason or another, and decided to split from it.
Any sect that split from the Catholic Church can technically be called “Protestants”, not to be confused with the specific sect “Protestants”. yay double terminology.
Reasons for splitting varied from the church of england want for divorce, to Methodist will for evangelism, to protestant thinking that music took away from worship, to (I may be wrong here) Lutheran simple belief that the pope/church was NOT infallible.
Mormons… are a whole other story. After a good deal of time of America existing, Some guy whose name I forget, (long story short here) claimed to have found divine scriptures under a hill in his backyard that were placed there by the angel Gabriel, copied them, and Gabriel took them back. These scriptures were supposed to be the REAL bible, that had gotten screwed up over time, and thus had to be given again to mankind this way.
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I am from a protestant back ground. I usually attended a small church such as a baptist or non denominational. Hopefully I can answer a couple questions for you.
First I try to base my belief on the Bible, such as the King James or the New International version. The New International version is easier for some people to read. I think they are accurate translations from the original Bible material.
As far as Jesus being the biological son of Joseph I have never heard of any so called christian, (Catholic or Protestant)who believes that. We all inherit a sinful nature and unless we die before the “age of accountability or we trust in God for our forgiveness. (with a humble spirit) (Which includes realizing our hearts are sinful, and asking God to forgive us) Forgiveness Is only made possible thru the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Just as people use to sacrifice lambs without spot or blemish, to represent the future sacrifice of jesus. Jesus was sinless. He was, and is Gods son.
There are alot of different religions in this world. But it can be broken into only two different groups. Those who belive in salvation by grace, (by forgiveness, it is a gift from god). And the rest believe in salvation by works, (they want to believe that by following certain rituals and or doing enough good things we can make up for the bad ones. How can we make ourselves clean spiritually? We can`t clean dirt with dirt. We have to be pure to enter heaven. God can’t let sin in heaven even if he wanted to. The only way is to sincerly ask god from the bottom of our hearts for forgiveness. He is waiting for you. He has known you since the foundation of the world. He can’t save us by giving us a spiritual heart transplant from Jesus unless we trust in God and ask for his help. It is sinful human nature to want to claim we are pure because of our own good deeds, and to try to justify our self. But it is an insult to Jesus. He wouldn’t have came and died on the cross if there had been any other way. We don’t have to go confess to some man. We have direct access to God. He is waiting to hear from and help you.
It’s not only Catholics, but even alot of baptists are trying to get to heaven by good deeds or by baptisim. As with alot of ceromonies, (which are only to represent and or remember what Jesus did or is going to do) Baptisim is to show publicly what Jesus did in our heart spiritually. (washed our sins away) So it’s some thing God wants us to do after were saved. When you are saved you will know. You will feel clean from the inside out. And a feeling of peace.
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I’m a Christian and believe in immaculate conception, as do all the Christians that I know, I’ve never heard of any Christian that doesn’t, it is the bases of our faith that Jesus is the Son of God.
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deast6 wrote:
Forgiveness Is only made possible thru the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Just as people use to sacrifice lambs without spot or blemish, to represent the future sacrifice of jesus. Jesus was sinless. He was, and is Gods son.
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There are alot of different religions in this world. But it can be broken into only two different groups. Those who belive in salvation by grace, (by forgiveness, it is a gift from god). And the rest believe in salvation by works, (they want to believe that by following certain rituals and or doing enough good things we can make up for the bad ones.
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It’s not only Catholics, but even alot of baptists are trying to get to heaven by good deeds or by baptisim. As with alot of ceromonies, (which are only to represent and or remember what Jesus did or is going to do) Baptisim is to show publicly what Jesus did in our heart spiritually. (washed our sins away) So it’s some thing God wants us to do after were saved. When you are saved you will know. You will feel clean from the inside out. And a feeling of peace.
Just a few things I noticed that are incorrect. First, the sacrificial lamb, which was slaughtered at Passover was in no way representing the coming of Jesus. It was a remembrance of the final plague of Egypt, and a sort of ritual absolution (forgiveness of sins basically).
As far as your note on salvation by grace or by works… I’ll be blunt, it is wholly false. Some religions, such as Shinto, have no goal of salvation, and many do not believe in anything close to the Christian concept of original sin. In Buddhism the goal is enlightenment and escape from the cycle of Samsara, with no opinion as to the existence of God at all.
For the last bit… it’s not just the movements themselves being repeated that’s supposed to save the person… it also includes right action and livelihood, the ceremonies are intended as religious experiences as ways to grow closer to god.
Tuesdayswithmorrie wrote:
In Buddhism the goal is enlightenment and escape from the cycle of Samsara, with no opinion as to the existence of God at all.
Should have noted, that is in Theravada Buddhism, as opposed to Mahayana or Zen which profess teh Buddha as a sort of Deity, though NOT in the same way as Christians revere God, but rather much more like the way that Shintos revere great Kami…
The Roman Catholic Church was the first Christian Church, founded by the apostle Peter Simon.
In the 16th century, the stuff hit the fan. First Henry VIII did create the Church of England primarily so he could get a divorce. Then Martin Luther nailed his famous letter on the door of the Church which resulted in the creation of the Luthern, or Protestant offshoot of Christianity… It is known as the Reformed Religion, and that part of history is called the Reformation. The 16th and 17th century saw more blood shed in the name of Christianity than any time in history. The Queen of England even wore the nickname Bloody Mary because of her policy of killing any and all Protestants. Scotland was not much better in their slaughter of Catholics. Religion polarized politics and countries in the 16th century.
Today, I don’t think it should be said that there is a difference between Catholics and Christians. Catholics ARE Christians. The only difference is the dogma of the various Christian sects.
~Richard
I wonder how much of america believes in a literal bible… it would be interesting to see. Most of the people I have met are of the belief that the bible was meant to be taken as a sort of “holy Aesop’s Fables” book rather than that of actually history.
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
Xeno Dragon wrote:
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
lol Xeno, you’re right!!
Xeno Dragon wrote:
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
But that wouldn’t have been as fun!
By the way, I used wikipedia. Never thought of the big d.
Xeno Dragon wrote:
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
Answered… sure, provided with insight? not really… I like to think that I know more about Christianity than Wikipedia has in its articles considering the research I’ve done…
Tuesdayswithmorrie wrote:
Xeno Dragon wrote:
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
Answered… sure, provided with insight? not really… I like to think that I know more about Christianity than Wikipedia has in its articles considering the research I’ve done…
Ah pride, the sin of sins…
Tuesdayswithmorrie wrote:
Xeno Dragon wrote:
This post could have been answered with a few links to dictionary.com.
Answered… sure, provided with insight? not really… I like to think that I know more about Christianity than Wikipedia has in its articles considering the research I’ve done…
But my question is, have you lived it or just been an observer?
It’s like knowing another person, you can know them for years and years, know their likes and dislikes and the details of their lives past and present, but you cannot truly know them without living with them, without being with them day to day on a personal level.
Christianity is like that, you can know all of the details the origins, the philosophies, etc but unless you are a Christian and have lived the life daily there are things you will never know or understand.
Insight, research… you don’t know how they get the deffinitions they have, do you?
I still have not gotten a straight, viable answer for why the Greek’s religion is classified under “mythology” while Christianity is classified under “religious books”.
They should have equality. Either move the greeks to religious books or move Christianity to mythology.
Of course, then you would also have to move:
The native american tales
The chinese tales
the roman tales
the african tales
Religious books would become the largest sect if we only had equality.
jaizon
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Xeno Dragon
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