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I wholeheartedly agree, without my faith, I AM NOTHING

excellent post Fizz :) Im a non-Christian but fully respect others religions (and it didnt offend me) … Im not actually sure wot religion I belong to any more but that is my road to walk and find :)

To anyone who is interested in knowing what a True Christian is,She’s right here.She speaks the truth and we are in total agreement.

Fizz, It seems this post was very needed.So thank you and thank you for being a perfect example for all Christians.I personally haven’t had any problems as far as being reported. I guess it’s because I’m not one to quote scripture. Not that I’m against it,it’s just that we have different ways of sharing, And I don’t have that gift . Actually I had not read the TOS until now.So, thanks again,I could not have said it nearly as good.

I’m sure you can, you have a true knack of expressing yourself extremely well.Bless You sis

Good post and very needed for some people, example me.Just don’t come up with what religion you are, cause you’ll always have some critics and attacks (rules are somehow meant to be broken) so come on clear be honest with you religion of expression or whatever else or just don’t say what religion you are cause you’ll feel attacked by ignorants. I truly respect it

Well I think most people know my views on religion :S
I avoid most religious post like the plague only because I have at some many times had it pushed in my face.
I am not religious but I respect other people and in that I respect what they belive and only want the same in return.
So in reading all this I say well worded Fizz, Great post :)

Wow, I actually read every word of all that.

Well, you should be honored because I don’t get past the first word on long post’s and i actually agree with this post

Excellent post. I will share this with a few friends who I think were discussing this. I think this makes it very clear!

wow, what a smart cookie you are.. i have no offense to anyone about their religion or no religion, color, race or sexuality… people are people and i believe that a person’s attitude is what makes me like them or not like them..

and i have to say that you have made a great post here… its like you have explained the rules of the site in words that people can actually understand about religion.. as i said.. i am a person who wants people to have their own beliefs.. its great.. and i have actually found that with my circumstances with my kids… people telling me that they will pray for me and my kids.. or that we are in their prayers… may have actually worked.. like god actually heard the prayers finally… after hearing so many of them about the same situation..and im so appreciated over that… however with people who as you say… try to push their beliefs upon someone and then get upset because we have our own beliefs.. then that is wrong..

i have to say… im not a church goer anymore.. i have my beliefs in god.. but do not want anyone preaching to me… just like i wouldnt want anyone that doesnt believe in god to preach to me about their beliefs… to each their own… its the preaching part that offends myself… and as i said.. religious or non religious… either way of preaching really bugs me.. so its not just one certain religion..

so again.. as you said.. asking for religious references is different than trying to push religion onto someone… and it makes a difference whether you are warned or booted.. so hopefully, those people who have been warned with pushing their beliefs onto others will take notice of your post.. because it is very well done…

Fizz,

Fizz wrote:
I refer to this scripture as an explanation for my choice of words regarding soul winning, if someone has a better wording then I can accept and will appreciate them. Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.Of course I think that compel is often misunderstood, it means to persuade.

I thought also of Matt 28 verse 18-20 The Great commission but I do not believe Jesus would want us to bully people into believeing. As we both know that doesn’t work. I do quote scripture occationally but the way I see it if someone doesn’t believe in God they also don’t believe in the Bible. I think Love thy neighbor is probably one of the best don’t you. That would solve it all wouldn’t it.

good Post

Nice post Fizz
I respect all religions. If someone wants to worship a tree, who am I to tell them what’s right.
Common respect and courtesy to all opinions and beliefs would make the world such a beautiful place.

2greeneyes wrote:
If someone wants to worship a tree, who am I to tell them what’s right.

hehehe great way of saying it Greeneyes :D

Fizz wrote:
Thanks Shi, you aren’t so bad yourself!

you just havent seen me mad yet…. lmfao..

lol… well, i havent seen it… thats a good thing… lol..

I am not a christian poster, but I think the tos should be more clear about the behaviour of non-religious people too. I have seen a couple times when trolls have taken over religious posts, disagreeing with everything and spamming the thread to the point where religious points of view are drowned out, or trying to instigate an argument.

I am a Christian. So I can help only as a Christian. Because that is what I am. Each person helps in the ways they know how. They offer help in the way they would like to receive help. I will sometimes advise people to seek help from a church or pray for someone or give some other Christian advice. I always stop if the poster indicates they don’t want that type of help. I don’t think it is fair for other users to tell me to not give Christian help/advice when the poster is accepting of what I’m saying. Some posters are open to Christian advice/help.

Being a christian encompasses everything about me. I don’t believe we should push when they do not want us to. Jesus didn’t do that. I understand how cell feels. Also My first post was attacked like betta indicated. I almost didn’t stay here because of that.

Fizz, I think this is a good post. I think it is helpful in understanding where the line gets crossed in regards to religious replies or post. I think a lot of people struggle spiritual and there are ways to help them with out pushing your views on them.

Sad it is that a promised land such as America would turn so much from its Christian roots. But it has, and that is why there is so much malice against Christianity, and radiating the hate online is so much easier than doing it in person.

I do no think is that people hate Christian. I think it is that they do not feeling like they are being judged or looked down upon.

Well, when you’re a Christian that many Christians won’t even call Christian, the rejection is a bit more apparent. But on the other hand, even the most undisputed Christians most acknowledge that there is a secularist movement going on in America.

LDS

I only get bothered by people who are religious when they give the impression their opinion is more important and goes over mine. But then, Im not sure if that has anything to do with religion, but with attitude and the EGO. lol.

But it is a nice post fizz, and no, nobody is perfect and I think it is important to accept our own faults, because if we don’t, we will just live our lives in misery and regret.

Hey Fizz,
i do have to say that you are totally right in your post and I applaud you for it…
I’m not a christian anymore since my own fall from faith, although i still hold dear and true to me the bible, and jesus christ… I follow all the good book says and hold the principles very dear to my heart…
Thanks for the post my friend
Abe

spiritedsoul.I know where your coming from.I’ve seen it directly.What we as Christians see as truth as we know it from the Bible ,a confidence. Others see it as the ego, attitude. When in fact if a person is truly trying to be humble,it can’t be the ego. A good example would be when you hear ‘For the Glory of God’ or something similar .We do it for him, not for ourselves .All for him.The Bible teaches us to be bold, stand firm on his words. We are merely being obedient to our father,teacher. I hope this helps

Sorry, I don’t know why i did that as anon.

wel, it would be nice to see who you are :)

Oops.

Good post.

More often than not I go to someone’s thread who has whole-heartedly asked for help for a serious problem that does not exist in the realms of spirituality or Christianity and find, to my dismay, a reply that does more harm than good. I often find the person in need being chastised for sinning, even though we all know that only God has the authority to determine what is sin and is not. Somehow, the ‘helper’ thinks that they are being good witnesses or are exhibiting their ‘righteous anger’ towards these people in need, but all it does is turn them away from Christ all the more.

What we need to do, instead of chastising and labeling every person’s need as a sin (the way the Pharisees did), is demonstrate the love that Christ had to those who we don’t even know. This can be as simple as giving an encouraging word or thoughtful advice (especially when we know what we are talking about), but it really does say something against us when we try to bring the Bible hard down upon a person’s head in their time of need.

“I know where your coming from.I’ve seen it directly.What we as Christians see as truth as we know it from the Bible ,a confidence. Others see it as the ego, attitude. When in fact if a person is truly trying to be humble,it can’t be the ego”
yes and a few christians have been like that with me.

Also my mum and dad used to have quite slight debates because my mum is christian and my dad was an athiest. My mum would try and change him to a christian but it never worked, he would backfire, well not agree with anything and they would argue. my mum also said it was her purpose in life to turn him inti a christian.
the two subjects my parents would argue pretty much EVERYDAY of their marriage was about MONEY AND RELIGION.

Also, I remember one christian saying when I walked down a town street, “The only way you will go to heaven as if you belive in this one person” which was with jesus christ or God. Other christians have said this too but I don’t like it when they say that, like its coming across, only good will come to a person if they believe in something. like they have to do something to be accept and I think nobody should have to do anything to be loved.

but please, i can’t be bothered to start an argument if anyone wishes to disagree.

You don’t have to do anything to be loved. That’s not what we’re saying. We are, however, saying that Christ loves you so much that he wants nothing more than for you to love him back, and he went so far as to sacrifice himself for you, even though you (or I or anyone else) really don’t deserve it.

And good does not come with salvation. Life is still very difficult for a Christian; maybe even more so. But eternal life is a surefire guarantee, and that’s what we believe only Christ can give.

Astro Man, About turning them away from Christ; If your referring to a poster that is a child or a immature person that needs to be told if what they are doing or going to do is morally wrong. Then I have and will continue to tell them so. We don’t know if it turns them away. It may be a reminder for them to refer to when the time comes and save heartache,strife etc..I will take my chances and continue to voice instruction wher it is needed. Then hope and pray for the best.

This is a great post, and it may be off the subject a little but I’ve always believed and worshiped Jesus Christ as my God and saviour and always will however I class myself as a pagen, and I will admit even after the culination of that “religion” back in the days we still have it tough today and persecuted much more than christians…
Please forgive me if it is totally off the subject…

Kudos, Fizz. Very good post. (….as for wording things better as you mentioned above, did you know you could edit a post> ..just wondering) I personally think it was well written and I’m going remember this post for later and refer people to it when I feel the topic rears its head again. Thank you for not being afraid to address it in full.

Spirited soul,This is nothing more than information.What you said that they say ‘The only way you will go to heaven is if you believe in this one person.That is all they are saying. Nothing more. We want others to have a life after their life here on earth. A perfect life. And yes, the only way to get that is to believe in God. Its not about love or goodness.Also, I’m sorry you had to go through your childhood the way it was. It’s really quite sad and I hope you find peace in that if you haven’t already.

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
Astro Man, About turning them away from Christ; If your referring to a poster that is a child or a immature person that needs to be told if what they are doing or going to do is morally wrong. Then I have and will continue to tell them so. We don’t know if it turns them away. It may be a reminder for them to refer to when the time comes and save heartache,strife etc..I will take my chances and continue to voice instruction wher it is needed. Then hope and pray for the best.

Not quite. Here’s what I mean.

Someone had a very serious problem with loneliness and depression. Then, some ‘Christian’ on this site came on there and instead of giving him advice or a word of encouragement decided to tell him that Jesus will magically solve all of his problems and that a good healthy dose of prayer is the only thing this guy needed. The original poster had a history with religion and Christianity that was unknown to the replier, but the replier made it seem as though the poster had done something along the lines of sin. The replier then went on to further chastise and belittle the poster to the point where the mods were asked to remove the replies. The poster then went on to write a new post about how unhelpful he thought the Christians on this site were and had loads of supporters to back him up.

Again the Christians on Help.com became subject to outright persecution and loathing due to one ‘helpers’ poor choice of words. I could give out a name, but I won’t.

I understand what you mean by morality being an issue when it comes to posts made by young people, but when there is no reason for particularly outlandish statements made by ‘Christians’ on this site regarding someone’s personal problems (or even mental problems, as I have seen being discussed as sinful before), we really need to take a step back and look at what we have become as heralds of the loving God.

I see Astro,I agree too that it shouldn’t be the sole answer. I also see the other side. God is the answer for everything and he should be sought first and foremost. So that’s where they are coming from.

Thanks Fizz, i am a Christian myself but i avoid religious posts.At most times they end up in argument– and that is something i am not into.

So thank you for this. :)

Fizz, I didn’t mean to take over your post.And if I’m wrong,please feel free to correct me.

Felicity-{KIMKRISS} wrote:
I see Astro,I agree too that it shouldn’t be the sole answer. I also see the other side. God is the answer for everything and he should be sought first and foremost. So that’s where they are coming from.

Naturally. But sometimes those people don’t regard other people’s feelings when they bring their Bible-thumping to the table. Not only does it get frustrating, but it’s just a bad witness.

Everyone’s allowed to have bad days. Having Christ living in us doesn’t make those go away just like that. We all need help, whether we have salvation or not. Unfortunately, not everyone seems to realize this.

I dont know about discussing religion, really! I come to Help.com and I exercise my “Christian duty” by helping the best way I can. What else is expected of me, anyways?
I still think that action, in any form, speaks louder than words.
All that matters to me, is the end result.
Well, that’s my opinion anyways.

I’m not a christian I’m not a muslim I’m not a Jew I’m a human being trying to understand the rights and wrongs in this world and this tiny little dot in our universe called earth.religion is something i was forced to believe as a child now I’m a grown up person its no more to me then reading who was the last president?or who was winning the football match between no 1 or no 2.But if it is your thing go for it and i respect your views.What if your religion forbids eating pork? guess you wouldn’t eat it ?what if your religion forbids eating cow meat?guess you wouldn’t eat it?believe me all our forefathers who started living in caves and its because of them we are here today and trying to make the world a better place ,look around ,is it a better place?look at the rivers the oceans the forest i think that has a more importance than RELIGION……

slimline2 wrote:
I’m not a christian I’m not a muslim I’m not a Jew I’m a human being trying to understand the rights and wrongs in this world and this tiny little dot in our universe called earth.religion is something i was forced to believe as a child now I’m a grown up person its no more to me then reading who was the last president?or who was winning the football match between no 1 or no 2.But if it is your thing go for it and i respect your views.What if your religion forbids eating pork? guess you wouldn’t eat it ?what if your religion forbids eating cow meat?guess you wouldn’t eat it?believe me all our forefathers who started living in caves and its because of them we are here today and trying to make the world a better place ,look around ,is it a better place?look at the rivers the oceans the forest i think that has a more importance than RELIGION……

Living in caves? Who said they were related to bin Laden? My ancestors were all intelligent individuals who had a language from day one–the Adamic language (a perfect and pure language)–and NOT the posterity of apes. Biologists can classify me as a primate, but I can assure you that my first parents were just as human as I am.

thank you, guys, for not continuing that thread, which could have gotten ugly.

this has been only the second post i’ve seen where the topic of religion didn’t lead to an argument. the other was this: http://help.com/post/141218-dedicated…

i have seen religious intolerance from christians who thought they had to interject an opportunity for conversion into a post — clearly not allowed in the faq.

i was once on a post in the middle of the night with someone who was suicidal. we’ve all been a part of these posts, where the person seems on the verge of committing the act. all you can do is encourage and be with them. kim, you’ll remember this, you were there too (and not pushing her faith i might add). then someone came into the post trying to preach Jesus, and kept at it until the poster left. i swear i thought we had lost her because someone couldn’t stop preaching. on top of everything else, the poster was drunk, and i don’t think the preacher had read the whole thing. fortunately, no one took their life that night.

i’ve also seen religious intolerance from non-christians who are sometimes quick to voice their opposition to any christian message, even when no one was trying to convert anyone. for some, the mere mention of god gets them angry, and they make a point of disparaging god, faith and the believer. this is also a violation of the site’s policy, as fizz quoted it.

to the christians on this site: don’t be quick to take offense. you’re not allowed to lead anyone to christ here. that’s the rules. with a name like help.com this site inherently draws together people who are disaffected and alienated (me included). of course users are going to be pissed off at god. that’s the territory.

to those abhor christianity: faith is not evil. whether it has worked for you or not, to some it is a source of great joy. it’s not necessary for you to pull them down.

to those who have a different faith, i say: believe whatever causes you to walk with love.

i recently suggested on yourabi’s first post, that there be a checkbox for the poster to say if they are open to religious points of view. that would at least prevent a poster from getting unwanted religious solutions. and the post could be flagged so as to notify visitors to the post that religion might be discussed. it still would not give anyone license to convert.

A nice balanced approach.

One thing I always worry about, as “Christian Since 1″ refers to, is the potential that the bickering over beliefs might turn someone away from help.com, where they might be able to find at least support if not some answers.

I remember that post san.Very discouraging. And yes,when someone focuses on that one ,3 letter word, Thats ALL they can see and bam-attack.That’s when I learned to try and keep the Big guy out of the picture.it does take the focus of the poster and the issue at hand.Sad, but true

And when I say ‘IT- does take the focus off’ I mean the opposing reply. Not the word ‘God’

i personally feel that.. if you are religious.. great… that is good to hear… however if you dont have a religion.. great for you as well.. because to each their own… to believe in what they want to believe in.. and i absolutely love this post… because everyone seems to be getting along… yay fizz…

i have to say… i love when people tell me that im in their prayers… because it makes me feel like im cared about… however when someone tries to push their belief onto me… i get offended myself.. although i believe in god and such… i believe that “preaching of ones beliefs” should be held somewhere else… meaning.. do not throw your beliefs at someone.. unless they ask… or you ask them if they would like to hear a bit about god and your beliefs… that would be different… im greatful for all the prayers i have received .. thank you… however again… i have to say that having things thrown at me with out me wanting it is a bit offensive. whether from a religious person or a non believer…

Fizz wrote:
Let your light shine, show that you are willing to speak to everyone on matters of faith if they come to, let them know that you are a Christian and available to lead them to the Lord if they so choose, but don’t force the issue. (I know that I could have worded this paragraph a whole lot better, lol

I think you put that very well Fizz! My grandfather is a Methodist minister and that is his take on it too. He would never force his faith on anyone or tell anyone they will go to the devil’s den for not believing what he believes. He invites people of all faiths into his home and does not try to convert them. He is very interested in their perspective on religion or non-religion. I happen to believe differently then my grandfather, but he does not condemn me for it. He is open and accepting in that regard, although strong in his own faith. I like what you said about letting your light shine. My mom’s immediate family converted from Catholicism to Quakerism. In the Quaker faith followers are also told to “let their inner light glow” and are expected to be accepting or tolerant of people of all backgrounds.

Sometimes I think it is words and expressions that are misunderstood or misinterpreted in all religious faiths. I don’t know anybody who wants someone else telling them what rights they have and what they should or shouldn’t believe in. Most people I know like to be in control of their own lives, or their own beliefs. I think unfortunately sometimes Christians are misinterpreted or stereotyped unfairly based on how one Christian acts or portrays a sect. It is the same with any religion. I think it may very well be that this is what leads to much of the discomfort or a feeling of being on the defense upon meeting people of a particular faith.

I think that having faith can prove to be a positive, valuable and powerful part of life if it is practiced with thoughtfulness, love, respect, compassion and understanding for oneself and for others in our lives. I agree with lil_bit_shi… I also like to hear I am in someone’s prayers. It gives me confidence, hope and a sense of well being, yet I don’t care for it when someone pushes something at me or tells me I must believe as they were brought up to believe.

Best post I’ve ever seen on help.com about religion. Basically, to pharaphrase, you respect my views and I’ll respect your’s. Nothing wrong with anyone discussing the subject, just don’t condemn others for not believing and Christians should not push their views on others.

Excellent job Fizz!

Excuse me, paraphrased is spelled incorrectly.

My two cents worth. I would like to both condemn and defend some of what has been said here. First - condemnation, there is a simple test of true Christianity, if the love of Christ is not in someone, they are not Christians. Many people define themselves as christians and the fact is they are not. I have seen very hateful comments by “christians”, and those comments are CLEAR indication that they are not really christian at all. I would ask those of us who claim the name “christian” take the time to truly study Christ’s example, how He interacted with others, the respect He always showed others including those who did not treat Him with respect, and before you say anything, either here or anywhere else, decide if Jesus would say something like that. Second - defense, even a dog defends his master when he is attacked. I would ask those who are not christians, realise that those of us who are christians, see God as our father and we simply want Him treated with respect and when He is ridiculed in most cases it is a knee-jerk response when we try to defend our beliefs.
Thanks Fizz, good post.

Great post Fizz. I am Christian with Druid tendencies :) My method of help here usually involves some level of spiritual help, because I believe we are mostly spiritual creatures. I try not to offend anyone, I know I miss that mark sometimes and I’m sorry. I don’t quote the Bible very much because it’s been my experience that just starts debates I’d rather not get into. Every point of view can be supported by the Bible. I also use a great number of other “tools” when I help here.

I’d like to see a site where spirituality has a place (just as it does in the newest evolution of psychology that is being taught to many; the transpersonal) without people being threatened in anyway.

Bright blessings ~ Richard

Fizz wrote:
On second thought I think that sounded a bit conceited of me, I just meant that I have studied the bible a lot and for a long time. I’m also pretty good at searching for scriptures.

Fizz, that’s a nice “correction.” :)

I think most religious people feel so whole and complete. They are so secure in the absolute belief and relief that they will be saved. The wonderful euphoric life they KNOW is coming. They really want to share it and have others enjoy the same contentment.
Others may not, or do not feel that way. Therine the problem lies. Respect and courtesy, is the key in so many things.

Fizz wrote:

TJ Riddle wrote:

it is our Christian duty to win souls for the Lord

I thought it was one’s Christian duty to love thy neighbour and, in so doing, “shine before men that they may see your good works”? That, according to Matthew, what “glorifies your Father”. I don’t recall Jesus ever asking for a person’s soul, either in this life or the next. You make Christianity sound like some sort of spiritual war. Strange perspective for a religion founded by a man who continually extolled the virtues of love and peace.

I think that you have taken me quite wrong, we have many duties as Christians and I do agree with you that we are to love thy neighbor as Christ so love the Church and that is a great part of my overall point.

But “to win souls for the Lord” - to state that as a goal - is what turns people off. “To shine before men” sounds like a good idea, anytime! :)

I am a true believer anyone can go to heaven and you don’t need to believe in jesus or god. we are all our own spirit. though if anyone hurts others I doubt it would bring good on themselves, because if someone doesn’t respect others, the chances of them respecting them back are far slimmer.
Thats my opinion.

Fizz wrote:
That’s the thing that faith does for me. I used to be filled with a lot of inner turmoil, but through my faith I’ve found inner peace that I didn’t expect to find. I’m not saying that I don’t have my problems, but I have peace inside that I couldn’t have had before.I would love to share that peace with others, I would love for people to understand that they don’t have to live in constant turmoil, but I can’t force them to believe or understand.

im glad ur feel better inside fizz.

well i just dont like the title and the post is too long and i have a problem with reading long posts ^_^ …
my point of view os this and i dont know if i have the same point of view or not but here i go

“How to be a Christian on Help.com”

no such thing , some are christians and preacher but i think am not from those , so i dont preach much… but for those who think preaching is what God is telling them to do … go for it , let faith lead your feet , and let God protect you…

This is a really great post, Fizz - and lots of great replies! (I’m still working on what I want to say …)

Being a Christian on help.com is like being a Christian anywhere else…Thru hard knocks, I’ve learned that people are going to believe what they believe no matter what Christians say or do…there life is much more than a few words here…their life experiences have made them who they are…That must be respected. The secret to being a Christian is just love the people and be their friend. Actually, the secret to happiness in this life, is loving people. THAT AIN’T ALWAYS EASY….but, we must try…

the central conflict is between people who try to convert others and people who don’t want to be converted. this includes any belief system whose adherents try to increase their membership aggressively.

many evangelical christians take the bible literally. to non-believers this smacks of closed-mindedness. this collection of books, poems and letters, in my opinion, was written by men (only men) who may have been influenced by god, but were also subject to political and social pressures.

i became a christian almost 40 years ago and have searched for a faith community in numerous denominations. it’s apparent that there are portions of the bible that are inspired, and some not. who can fault “love your neighbor as yourself”? but when it comes down to strictures of diet and head coverings (moses); proper behavior for slaves, and women being silent in the church (paul) and warriors bashing their enemies infants’ heads against rocks (david), literalists are quick to rationalize that “that was just for their time.”

an unchanging god doesn’t change his/her ways to suit the society. by today’s standards, israel’s entrance to the promised land would be considered genocide. a loving god would never instruct one nation to annihilate another.

the bible as we now have it, states things in an all-or-nothing way. christians take evangelizing literally, but not “turn the other cheek” and the other simple commands from Jesus’ sermon on the mount.

living the way Jesus taught does make for a peaceful, enlightened life. compelling people to live as Jesus taught or face the prospect of hell, leads believers to intolerance, coercion, division and war. and it leads non-believers to resentment and.. non-belief.

the imperative to convert others is repugnant to the unconverted, and makes kamikazes of christians.

so yes, i pick what i like from the bible. i believe in god, Jesus and over-tipping (going the second mile). i don’t believe in hell. even the most brutal dictator on the planet doesn’t torture people endlessly for not believing in him.

unbelievers see the actions of believers as a whole and conclude that it doesn’t work as it is presented. i see believers and non-believers alike who show the spirit of god by their loving actions, and conclude that their is no difference based on religious beliefs.

the subject is vast and i’m not, so i really don’t want to get into a war of words. i’m no scholar. i just think that in any religion where the bottom line is “turn or burn” that the threat is antithetical to the original message of selfless love. that’s where christianity and islam have strayed farthest.

sansceriph wrote:
the central conflict is between people who try to convert others and people who don’t want to be converted. this includes any belief system whose adherents try to increase their membership aggressively.

exactly

Fizz wrote:

tricky wrote:
well i just dont like the title and the post is too long and i have a problem with reading long posts ^_^ …
my point of view os this and i dont know if i have the same point of view or not but here i go

“How to be a Christian on Help.com”

no such thing , some are christians and preacher but i think am not from those , so i dont preach much… but for those who think preaching is what God is telling them to do … go for it , let faith lead your feet , and let God protect you…

I don’t think I asked anyone to pick apart my words, lol (know that I’m teasing)

I know I could have worded somethings much better, but I like the title, I thought long and hard about this post and even prayed about it because of all the problems here at help. I like this community and I adore the people that I have “met”.

If God tells someone to preach then they should preach, but not here, because they agreed not to when they joined here and God doesn’t like liars.

Besides I don’t really think this is the right forum anyway. Faith cometh by hearing, not reading.

hey dont get me wrong i really like this community was well gr8 ppl on this site and to be honest the most open minded and smart ppl i have ever talked to are on this site….

it’s quite empty to preach in a land where the word is already stable , hence the preaching in a place where they are not welcome just as the preach from long time ago where ppl use to be killed because of the name of Jesus … stand on ur side and i stand on my side no problem :) let them do what God tells them to do , if it is preaching here no problem but they have to take the consiquense without complaining else let them hold there peace … “Else” ok the programing course is starting to take it’s hold on me hehehe :D if, else :D cool :D k this is getting out of subject sorry ^_^

im not a christian but i belive in god,i dont go to church but i do prey and im not perfect but im am god’s child. i to really find it offending when someone judge’s someone else’s belife’s i belive that we all need to treat people the way we would like to be treated and help people we can help, i have alway’s belived that you should learn from your mistake’s and not only ask for forgiveness but you should forgive yourself. it get’s hard to stay away from the temptaion’s of life that we know we should stay away from, but i also belive that if we have people we know and love,and they happen to have a weekness from this bad thing then we as god’s children should step in and prey for them and give them our support. i mean face it we cant change some people by talking or even taking some action’s but we can always prey and god will know what and how to deal with this problem so i say prey and be your loveing self ALWAYS. in the end that is what will shine through.god bless :)

Tricky, Fizz has not violated the rules…she was here to discuss religion, not push on anyone..that counts for something..does it not..

Sorry….just checked on all friends…and did say, if you remember, it was for believers and non…and by my remarks…think you would have known Thep…sorry, I apologize……….

I like that you say what needs to be said! Great post!

Loll…very amusing…no matter how nice you try to be, it always end the same way Fizz…you can be so fair and polite and this is the “rest of the story!”

Sophie, it means, no matter how you approach this topic, it will always turn out mean-spirited…..not being negative, just the truth…read my shout…

Excellent post Fizz. (of course)

I don’t think theres anything to add, only i will say..

I am a christian and i fully believe what you are saying. I have been in ‘argument’ with people, only for them to turn around and say

“just because you don’t believe in God”
“your going to hell”
“God will weep for your soul” (those exact words were said to me!!!)

Some chrisitans have said this to me because i have felt it is wrong to judge someone based on their faith or belief, and i get shot down for it..

Well guess what eeediots…i’m christian lol. Just because i dont believe in pressurising people doesn’t make me a bad christian. It makes me a true one.

I, too, am a Christian, and I have struggled at times with how much to say. A lot of damage has been done by well intentioned people in the past, and I think it pays to be very, very careful with what we say. My wife used to have a coworker who was seriously turned off of Christianity by people that would try to convert him during spring break in Florida, and I am afraid that some people have been turned off by some of the things that have occurred on this site in the not too distant past.

I guess I have adopted a couple of rules for my own use on this site. I’m not claiming that they should be for everybody!

They are (drumroll, please…!)

1. Romans 13:1, which says, in part: “Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities.” That means that I have to abide by the TOS. (Unless, of course, they require that I violate God’s laws, which to my knowledge they haven’t done!)

2: Matthew 10:16. which says “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves.” And Matthew 7:6 “Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.” Bottom line is that I’m probably doing more harm than good if I cause offence. (Don’t get me wrong…there are definitely times and places to stand up for what is right. I’m just not convinced that a forum such as Help.com is conducive to that sort of thing, since it possible to read what has been written in a totally different way than it was intended. )

I guess I’m trying to concentrate more on BEING a Christian than SOUNDING like one!

Good post…let’s just hope the other christians here decide to abide by it. Just don’t give “spiritual support” unless the original poster specifically asks for it.

Telling a troubled person that a deity loves them can be construed as proffering false hope when seen by an objective source, no matter how good the original intentions are of the person giving the support. This serves to subvert the aid the person is seeking if they didn’t specifically call for it; since religion is such an emotionally charged issue, there are many times where “doing right per the Word” is actually causing emotional harm.

Marco, excellent response…that is fair…

Marconius wrote:
Good post…let’s just hope the other christians here decide to abide by it. Just don’t give “spiritual support” unless the original poster specifically asks for it.Telling a troubled person that a deity loves them can be construed as proffering false hope when seen by an objective source, no matter how good the original intentions are of the person giving the support. This serves to subvert the aid the person is seeking if they didn’t specifically call for it; since religion is such an emotionally charged issue, there are many times where “doing right per the Word” is actually causing emotional harm.

I will continue to offer Christian advice/help because that is what I am. I hope to be extremely tactful. I always ask permission before I pray for someone.

I like the idea about a check box for the poster allowing spiritual advice/help. That would clear things up all around. Then I would know which posts not reply to. When someone makes a general request for help I always think of Jesus because that’s who helps me.

Good idea Cell…like that..

Talking about the check box Cell…good idea

Yes, I like the check box idea, too. It was sansceriph’s idea.

a couple of weeks ago, when yourabi (yousef) introduced himself as the new admin, he asked for ideas to improve the site. http://help.com/post/142537-the-futur…

a couple of my suggestions at the time were:

“some users do not care to discuss religion of any sort. some want only to discuss problems from a religious viewpoint. an improvement to the site that could help prevent religious arguments is A CHECKBOX FOR WHEN YOU MAKE A POST. you could choose whether or not to entertain religious replies. that would let evangelicals know where the line is… maybe there could be a kind of post or a forum that’s open to people who are interested in the subject, but who will commit to agreeing to disagree.”

nothing can eliminate religious arguments completely. i did not call it a checkbox for SPIRITUAL replies, but specifically for RELIGIOUS replies. much of the advice given on this site, and ALL of the people here, are spiritual.

a poster who has agreed to hear religious replies could reasonably expect offers of prayer. those who offer to pray should be able to do so without fear of ridicule from others.

but to members who aren’t interested in religion, an offer “to pray for them” can be considered condescending.

remember that prayer can be done from a distance. only god needs to hear or know about the prayer.

imchris3 wrote:
without my faith, I AM NOTHING

That’s not healthy.

But I like the post. :D

I understand very much how christian people may see a post saying “i want to commit suicide” and then think of God. Because a lot of users have been through this situation and it was God that helped them through.

I think it is perfectly acceptable for someone to politely ask if they are religious or if they follow a belief, because sometimes when we are feeling down our faith needs to be restored. We encounter feelings of loss and dissapointment from God. This is very common. So sometimes i think its useful for people who may believe similar things to say some encouraging words that are religious based.

On the other hand i think that some people completely take this the wrong way. I think its not very tactful when people say “You feel like this because you do not love God enough, turn to him he is the way.”

If someone is feeling like they are at their last bit of hope, it is not useful to anyone to tell them its their fault for not putting enough effort into their faith.

I believe a tactful answer would go something like “Have you seen a counciller/can you talk to a family member or friend right now who will spend tonight with you. Also I don’t know if you follow a religion but if you do i would like to ask your permission to pray for you.”
After that kind of comment you will most likely get an answer saying whether they believe or not.

For now there is no check box, but there are manners. Please use them next time you feel like ramming the lords word down someones throat. It will do more harm then good as has been said above.

Spunky101 wrote:
Tricky, Fizz has not violated the rules…she was here to discuss religion, not push on anyone..that counts for something..does it not..

am not saying Fizz violated anything :P , am just saying what i do believe about the subject as simple as that…

Personally i think just by being here helping people out your excercising true christian values and principles anyway

I’m not christian but i gotta say that was a brilliant post . I liked the way you wrote it .

Okay, what is wrong with the site today?

Fizz, have had the same notices all morning…there must be more…just wondered if it was only my site…

I am not online very much lately, I notice that for some reason you had my reply removed. Then you seem to think it a reason for celebration, through answers here and through your shouts.
Because I dissagree with what most other people on your post, are saying about you. Namely how wonderful you and your post are. I dissagree with them and this post and think it should be closed.

Who-ever the mod is that removed my earlier reply, had no right to do that and should have the decency to inform me of their reason for doing so. Also that you should have the decency to tell me what it was in my reply, that was so upsetting to you.

I would like to take this opportunity to spell out for you, where I stand, with this christian religion thing, that you are so keen to hoist on any and everybody you can.

To start with, if a book or a writing is composed and it is about true matters, it is non fiction. If it is about lies, untruth and/or general make belief. Then it is fiction or ficticious.

You obviously want to believe in the bible and what you obviously see as the truth therin.
I on the other hand, see no truth in the way people follow and use it, to their own advantage.

It is rather odd, that the christian relegion is the only one, that seems to get so much bad feelings against it. That perhapps, is one area that needs to be worked on, to bring it into the modern world.

I find it odd also, that this Jesus person couldn’t or didn’t write and add, his own jornal or chapters to the bible. Was it perhaps that he couldn’t read and write?

Most people these days, want to know the truth. Not be told to just accept your christian relegion as being the truth but to see it as the truth. To see it as a working example of truth. For me it fails misserably in the truth department.

You can ask for this reply to be removed as well if you wish, you should be able to take critiscism. After all it is an open post and therefore should be open to people, other than those that think the same as yourself.

I have been very carefull how I have worded this reply, so that no offence can be attributed to your self or your religion. It is my own personal feelings towards your post and the replies in it.

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thep wrote:
I am not online very much lately, I notice that for some reason you had my reply removed. Then you seem to think it a reason for celebration, through answers here and through your shouts.
Because I dissagree with what most other people on your post, are saying about you. Namely how wonderful you and your post are. I dissagree with them and this post and think it should be closed.

Who-ever the mod is that removed my earlier reply, had no right to do that and should have the decency to inform me of their reason for doing so. Also that you should have the decency to tell me what it was in my reply, that was so upsetting to you.

I would like to take this opportunity to spell out for you, where I stand, with this christian religion thing, that you are so keen to hoist on any and everybody you can.

To start with, if a book or a writing is composed and it is about true matters, it is non fiction. If it is about lies, untruth and/or general make belief. Then it is fiction or ficticious.

You obviously want to believe in the bible and what you obviously see as the truth therin.
I on the other hand, see no truth in the way people follow and use it, to their own advantage.

It is rather odd, that the christian relegion is the only one, that seems to get so much bad feelings against it. That perhapps, is one area that needs to be worked on, to bring it into the modern world.

I find it odd also, that this Jesus person couldn’t or didn’t write and add, his own jornal or chapters to the bible. Was it perhaps that he couldn’t read and write?

Most people these days, want to know the truth. Not be told to just accept your christian relegion as being the truth but to see it as the truth. To see it as a working example of truth. For me it fails misserably in the truth department.

You can ask for this reply to be removed as well if you wish, you should be able to take critiscism. After all it is an open post and therefore should be open to people, other than those that think the same as yourself.

I have been very carefull how I have worded this reply, so that no offence can be attributed to your self or your religion. It is my own personal feelings towards your post and the replies in it.

It’s no wonder your past post was deleted.

i’d just like to say without argument or anything to thep….. Mod’s don’t have to tell you why or when they delete a users reply they just do it if it is you know. but from what I understand you should be taken care of.

Hi there DaNi HaTeS YoU.

I have already had a reason from the mod concerned, as to why the reply was removed.
It could have been taken as offensive and I am quite willing to let it rest on that point.

Ken I hope that this helps clear things up a bit.

and i’m sorry for being nosey i’m unsubscribing this post is too long for me now.

Mods are stepping up on abuse from people and it wont be tolerated from anyone with any beliefs.

Fizz’s post is about understanding the use of Terms and Conditions and why they are important rules to obide by. She has been acknowledged by a few mods on this post. Because she is echoing their reasons for making up the rules in the first place. You don’t need to make this personal. This is not in any way an attack on non believers. I don’t think there is any need to try and cause trouble on this post, just because it is religious.

on a personal note (with out the mod hat on - so this isnt a mod talking) I dont understand why non-religious users post on obviously religious posts and vice versa. Especially if they know it will get lash back and arguments started. I mean are these people looking for arguments? I never understood that - but Im a very caring and gentle person who would not think of starting anything!
Not attacking any body here - this is just a general thing I have seen happening as a Mod.

I think so. I have been told by a non believer from this site that he wants to leave. But is going to stay until he has ‘gotten rid’ of a religious user on this site.

I think this is sad…Disagreements aren’t meant to be like that.

I think once you get mad then some people go out of their way to prove a point or feed the rush of adrenalyn they get when ‘fighting’. Its sad but some people are driven by trouble…

I think they have the right to reply by all means. But only if they have a decent comment to make, if they just want to cause trouble then they shouldnt be here in the first place.

oooo bossy lol.

I think the site has a good religious policy. Its there for a reason.

Each individual has this right. To use to their advantage or disadvantage. It applies to everyone here.

Lol. Don’t worry about it.

I think a lot of mods appreciate this post a lot.

Look- there is no “this is true and this isn’t” from anyone. And where there has been, it has been removed. Keeping the post positive and friendly.

There is no pushing of any religion on anyone.

All religious or non religious people are here on this post, we all agree on something for once :D

And so we should, with or without God we are all ace people that deserve to live together in the land of help happily. There should be no divide.

Who ever you are anonymous, I have made my possition clear in my reply above. If it doesn’t come within your aproval ratings, is not a worry to me.
If you read the replies from moderater Ken above, you will see that I did the best I could to keep this post open. I hope that this will remain the case and that this post is left open.
I, like ever one else here on help, have the right to respond to a post. That is what I have done.
Let this be the end of the matter please.

(i’m not the anon)

But everyone does have the right to respond to ANY post.

I think Fizz has made a good point, we should all be civilized and learn not to be personal when writing our replies. Comments are comments and personal attacks are rude.

thep wrote:
I, like ever one else here on help, have the right to respond to a post. That is what I have done.
Let this be the end of the matter please.

as well as i do.

this is interesting. some people come on and attack a post, and even if they are reprimanded, if it starts two people to arguing, the post is soon closed.

this in theory stops the immediate problem, and is repremansive to the arguers.

but lets think about this,
if a person dosnt like a post, what are they going to do, but go and argue on it?
so, the original poster would suffer, and they would get their way.

just something to think about.

also, about the checkbox thing, i reviewed this idea in my compilation of help features, and i find it unsuitable. i feel that this box would be autimatically unchecked, and few would check it. it would all but attempt to eliminate any religious advice, even when it is needed.

all in all, the post box is a bad idea. (except for people that just want to reduce religious discussion in general. i rather enjoy it.)

please submit ideas, i will get around to them: http://help.com/post/144175-the-compi…

Oh i forgot to say that your post, Fizz, is excellent.

As everyone has a right to voice an opinion which is on the topic of the post and is not attacking anyone I would just like to say in response to:

thep wrote:
I am not online very much lately, I notice that for some reason you had my reply removed. Then you seem to think it a reason for celebration, through answers here and through your shouts.
Because I dissagree with what most other people on your post, are saying about you. Namely how wonderful you and your post are. I dissagree with them and this post and think it should be closed.

Who-ever the mod is that removed my earlier reply, had no right to do that and should have the decency to inform me of their reason for doing so. Also that you should have the decency to tell me what it was in my reply, that was so upsetting to you.

I would like to take this opportunity to spell out for you, where I stand, with this christian religion thing, that you are so keen to hoist on any and everybody you can.

To start with, if a book or a writing is composed and it is about true matters, it is non fiction. If it is about lies, untruth and/or general make belief. Then it is fiction or ficticious.

You obviously want to believe in the bible and what you obviously see as the truth therin.
I on the other hand, see no truth in the way people follow and use it, to their own advantage.

It is rather odd, that the christian relegion is the only one, that seems to get so much bad feelings against it. That perhapps, is one area that needs to be worked on, to bring it into the modern world.

I find it odd also, that this Jesus person couldn’t or didn’t write and add, his own jornal or chapters to the bible. Was it perhaps that he couldn’t read and write?

Most people these days, want to know the truth. Not be told to just accept your christian relegion as being the truth but to see it as the truth. To see it as a working example of truth. For me it fails misserably in the truth department.

You can ask for this reply to be removed as well if you wish, you should be able to take critiscism. After all it is an open post and therefore should be open to people, other than those that think the same as yourself.

I have been very carefull how I have worded this reply, so that no offence can be attributed to your self or your religion. It is my own personal feelings towards your post and the replies in it.

Saying that Jesus was illiterate seems off topic and I find it hurtful because it seems disrespectful. Also saying that people have more “bad feelings” now towards Christians than towards other religions and implying that it is because of something we are doing is hurtful.

Christianity is NOT the one with the most bad feeling at all.

There is Muslim. Not only does this religion take slack for everything that terrorists do in the news, but they also suffer racial abuse.

Personal feelings are clouding the facts here.

I don’t think it matters either way what is believed about a religion. You choose what you want to believe yourself and you get on with it. Why spend life trying to cause trouble amongst others who are different.

Thep’s reply was his own opinions and may not represent your opinions. It was felt that his post was not attacking or bad in any way simply expressing his opinions in an adult way (this was checked by 2 mods for extra care) it is your choice how to take his words but please do not attack him for this. Any replies that appear to be attacking will be removed. Ditzy and the Mod crew

Fizz wrote:
Well, no matter what religion it is or non-religion, the rules are there for us all.

I think so too.

At present no ones attacking…but we should all be allowed our say, given the circumstances of the post we should all be allowed to say exactly how we feel as long as we are adult about it too.

♥Rαvεr♥ wrote:
Christianity is NOT the one with the most bad feeling at all.

I think that every religion has “bad feelings”. I think that it is stretching it to say that Christianity has “the most”. Every religion in history has it’s bad moments, and in religion nothing is perfect. So it’s hard to sit and bash one single religion without touching on them all. They are all intertwined in some way or another (or so I think anyway.)

Cell wrote:
Saying that Jesus was illiterate seems off topic and I find it hurtful because it seems disrespectful. Also saying that people have more “bad feelings” now towards Christians than towards other religions and implying that it is because of something we are doing is hurtful.

I do agree with what you said. But there was one other thing. As far as I know, Jesus didn’t actually write anything, but his words are in the book. Many people wrote the book with accordance to what Jesus said. So in a way Jesus did write the book, or at least help A LOT.

Fizz wrote:
As much as I like to talk about Jesus and I could do so all day long, I just want this to be kept on topic as how it is in regards to the site.

Was my response not on topic?

Being a Christian on help.com or anywhere else, is about standing tall what you believe to the true…not giving in to the populus…some call it, drama…personally call it instestinal fortitude….”be true to thy ownself!” Don’t give an inch when you know you are in the RIGHT…my grandfather always said, “be a four-square man in all things!” That means, do the right thing in all things….

THISFIRE-Inanimate wrote:
also, about the checkbox thing, i reviewed this idea in my compilation of help features, and i find it unsuitable. i feel that this box would be autimatically unchecked, and few would check it. it would all but attempt to eliminate any religious advice, even when it is needed.

all in all, the post box is a bad idea. (except for people that just want to reduce religious discussion in general. i rather enjoy it.)

if few posters checked a box that said “open to religious points of view” it would be specifically because they DON’T want to hear religious points of view. giving them that option is not an attempt on my part to eliminate religious advice. my christian faith is important to me as well.

the point of my suggestion was to reduce the number of religious arguments.

in yourabi’s post, someone suggested forums for specific subjects (love life, computers, etc.). a forum for spiritual and religious discussion would be great.

Well, firstly thanks for the invite. I have not been on sight all week as I have been celebrating my birthday - It was beautiful and loving. Secondly, what a wonderful and uplifting post. Sensitively written with some wonderful replies. This post was really needed. Now for my views.
a) I have been uncomfortable at times with the responses from my brethren in their responses to others but I really do not believe that it is malicious. I think that sometimes as humanbeings we make mistakes and a gentle correction is all that is needed. In catching up I noticed that one of brethren was asking for help to understand the TACs and the post ended up being closed due to some of the argumentative responses, which sad really because they were seeking understanding. Putting up this post Fizz is a loving thing to do.
b) I have also been uncomfortable by the responses from non christians some are not malicious but sometimes there have been a lot of misunderstandings.
In the final analysis I really believe it is about loving and respecting each other. And when we can do that we must be able to exchange, debate and discuss ideas and beliefs without it degenerating in nasty and personalised arguments. When this happens it denies everyone the opportunity to grown and learn. Feedback is so important for mental health, so sometimes opinions that are different to your own is good because it stimulates reasoning. In the bible it states come let us reason together. I really, honestly believe that there is no need for some of the terrible arguments that have happened on some of the posts. Finally, I think we take things too personally and therefore, react badly. We need to allow each other the space to grow and learn.

I don’t see what people’s problems are…i’m a christian but that has nothing to do with how i react to people. Unless someone asks.

I never push my religion on someone. For gods sake don’t some people realise that everyone on here has been alive for at least 13 years. Thats at least 13years of learning about what they believe. Everyone already has there beliefs. People are stupid to try and convert. Personally to try and push someones views on others i think is just plain rude.

How rude is it to a non christian to say “God is here, or I will pray for you”. Thats just down right ill mannered.

But let me point something out, blame the individual not the religion. Cuz true christianity is not about other people its about your own relationship with God.

My reply is base on the post, what the post is saying. Also base on all the reply they gave to their post. From that informations I decide how much or how little I will go into God’s word. Sometime not one word is mention.

no problem :)

Great post Fizz.

One thing that did occur to me reading this post and the replies was the point about non-believers feeling judged by Christians. Everytime I read a post I make a judgement, based on my beliefs of wrong and right, and my personal experiences. I cannot help this, we all judge people. Why should Christians not be able to mention Christ in their replies, as is it what occurs to them first?

For example, say a poster has been cheating on their partner and is asking for a way to leave their partner without too much hassle. I would automatically get the feeling, without knowing them, that they were not nice and I would suggest they have more respect for their partner, admit they were wrong etc, and I doubt I would get much stick for saying that. But if a religious person advised that the Bible says we shouldn’t do this, or that God can grant forgiveness to them, I am sure they would invite attack. It is this that I find unfair. I am passing moral judgement on people when I reply, as do many others, but it is only when the judgement involves a religious belief that people get all upset.

Everyone, believers and non believers alike wish people would think like they do, and it’s natural to try and persuade people to do so. It’s part of human nature and it’s fascinating to learn what other people feel about different things. Let people express their beliefs, if we don’t agree, it’s fine, it’d be boring if we always did.

Just amazing how things change…people can be fooled…

Bye…….

Nensix wrote:
Great post Fizz.

One thing that did occur to me reading this post and the replies was the point about non-believers feeling judged by Christians. Everytime I read a post I make a judgement, based on my beliefs of wrong and right, and my personal experiences. I cannot help this, we all judge people. Why should Christians not be able to mention Christ in their replies, as is it what occurs to them first?

For example, say a poster has been cheating on their partner and is asking for a way to leave their partner without too much hassle. I would automatically get the feeling, without knowing them, that they were not nice and I would suggest they have more respect for their partner, admit they were wrong etc, and I doubt I would get much stick for saying that. But if a religious person advised that the Bible says we shouldn’t do this, or that God can grant forgiveness to them, I am sure they would invite attack. It is this that I find unfair. I am passing moral judgement on people when I reply, as do many others, but it is only when the judgement involves a religious belief that people get all upset.

Everyone, believers and non believers alike wish people would think like they do, and it’s natural to try and persuade people to do so. It’s part of human nature and it’s fascinating to learn what other people feel about different things. Let people express their beliefs, if we don’t agree, it’s fine, it’d be boring if we always did.

As a Christian, It is hard at times to leave God out of my answers because God is what makes me “me”. If I do make any statements in reguard to my faith I do not want to offend its just how I am wired. Thanks Nensix, Great reply in my book!!

Well, the lies that people tell…this is my LAST post on help.com…WILL NEVER COME BACK HERE AGAIN…will join my other friends that left the site…I’m sure this will make many people happy, but have better things to do with my time than read a BUNCH OF LIES…it is a pagan site with MOSTLY non-believers…

The Lord Jesus Christ warned His followers, “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep�s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).

And, people that say, I hate you…enough said…rest my case your honor…

i’m sorry but i just have to say this
Spunky- you’ll be back lol you say this at least once or twice a month man
I don’t see how anyone was lying in this post let alone your last comment how it was even relevant to this post, I’d love to know what is a lie? I’m starting to think that you’re a little delusional with the crap you come up with, and I think other’s are starting to realize this too and maybe their sick of it.

spunky, this has been a very reasonable post, filled with love and mutual respect. you don’t help the cause of christ by being paranoid. is this site comprised mostly of non-believers, of non-evangelical christians? well of course! so is society at large! throwing around venom and threats in all caps like “WILL NEVER COME BACK HERE AGAIN” only proves the point of those who resent it when someone brings god into a discussion.

i agree with dani.

if you leave and go to another site, and take your judgmental attitude with you, good.

i just feel sorry for those at the other site.

but if you come back, remember that it was for the religiously arrogant that jesus reserved his harshest words.

Your God is a false prophet.