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No Child Left Behind…

Explain this to me.

I am very interested in politics, but I never understood what No Child Left Behind was all about. I hear these ferocious arguments ensue on the news, but I can’t get into it because I don’t know enough about it. Can anyone explain it to me, preferably in layman’s terms. :) Thanks!

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God's Smith offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (30 minutes after post)

i heard the kid had to be really stupid for him to be held back. And now the parents can’t force their child to be held back if he/she is academically ready. that is what i thought.

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1 year, 7 months ago (33 minutes after post)

Bush is such a retard

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Rico offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
US | 1 year, 7 months ago (34 minutes after post)

Its a reform on the way schools are run. Basicly no child should be failing school so they test everyone and if a school is doing consitantly badly then everyone gets fired and the schools funding gets cut.

The big problem is the government doesn’t fund the schools to begin with and many schools cant get above water. Also they hold mentally impared students to the same standards. Worst piece of legislation written in about 30yrs.

SweetLips~ offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (35 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:
Bush is such a retard

Bush will be the end of man kind.

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (37 minutes after post)

Rico wrote:
Its a reform on the way schools are run. Basicly no child should be failing school so they test everyone and if a school is doing consitantly badly then everyone gets fired and the schools funding gets cut.

The big problem is the government doesn’t fund the schools to begin with and many schools cant get above water. Also they hold mentally impared students to the same standards. Worst piece of legislation written in about 30yrs.

Ahh okay. So all the weight is placed on standardized test scores so the children spend 90% of the school year basically learning how to pass a test? Does that sound right?

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (38 minutes after post)

sweetlips wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Bush is such a retard

Bush will be the end of man kind.

Agreed to both!

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Rico offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
US | 1 year, 7 months ago (40 minutes after post)

pretty much. The best part are deaf students. If you are deaf then english is a forein language. Think about it. Could you really understand english if you couldn’t hear it? And then expect a deaf child to do well on a standardized test is crazy.

BTW..Props to all the deaf people out their who learned english…I could not do what you did. Its hard enough spoken.

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (44 minutes after post)

Rico wrote:
pretty much. The best part are deaf students. If you are deaf then english is a forein language. Think about it. Could you really understand english if you couldn’t hear it? And then expect a deaf child to do well on a standardized test is crazy.

BTW..Props to all the deaf people out their who learned english…I could not do what you did. Its hard enough spoken.

So the teachers have very little control over their curriculum this way, I would imagine. How frustrating. Yes, you are right, this is a terrible thing. I knew that it was highly criticized and controversial. My mom works in education, but not as a teacher and she has told me that it is a nightmare.

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (45 minutes after post)

TeeJaysPlace wrote:
An excellent person to ask about this would be a school teacher herself. I’ll invite one, but she’s on hiatus last I checked, so I doubt she’ll be able to reply.

Thanks, hopefully she can put her 2 cents in. I appreciate it!

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Rico offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
US | 1 year, 7 months ago (46 minutes after post)

I’m in education. I worked in special ed for 3yrs. It was crazy to make sevearly disabled children take a standardized test.

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Rico offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
US | 1 year, 7 months ago (53 minutes after post)

renante8 wrote:
Well in that case what happens when kids just keep failing?

Theres ways around it with an IEP (individual education plan). But many times the school just gets punished for it.

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IshtarCel offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (19 hours, 15 minutes after post)

that’s disgraceful! so unfair to the poor kids, and the teachers and schools. What happens to schools in disadvantaged areas, where kids often can’t focus on school work, aren’t supported at home etc (parents working too hard to ‘put food on their families’)? surely the best thing to do is to give more funding and support to the schools that lagging behind?
I live in Ireland, where education is much better - I currently have my kids in an ‘educate together’ school, which has a multi denominational ethos and a multicultural policy. it’s motto is about celebrating difference about ‘no child left behind’ - ie no child left behind due to social, relicious or cultural differences.

I sincerely hope there is a huge re-think of this with the next US administration, so that kids are being taught more than just ‘literacy so they can pass a literacy test’ (full bush quote - we need to teach our kids literacy so they can pass a literacy test’)

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (19 hours, 19 minutes after post)

IshtarCel wrote:
that’s disgraceful! so unfair to the poor kids, and the teachers and schools. What happens to schools in disadvantaged areas, where kids often can’t focus on school work, aren’t supported at home etc (parents working too hard to ‘put food on their families’)? surely the best thing to do is to give more funding and support to the schools that lagging behind?
I live in Ireland, where education is much better - I currently have my kids in an ‘educate together’ school, which has a multi denominational ethos and a multicultural policy. it’s motto is about celebrating difference about ‘no child left behind’ - ie no child left behind due to social, relicious or cultural differences.

I sincerely hope there is a huge re-think of this with the next US administration, so that kids are being taught more than just ‘literacy so they can pass a literacy test’ (full bush quote - we need to teach our kids literacy so they can pass a literacy test’)

Love all the Bushisms you included! It is rather sad, and I am hoping our next administration will change it also.

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (1 day, 15 hours after post)

TeeJaysPlace wrote:
[quote clashcity19][quote IshtarCel]What happens to schools in disadvantaged areas, where kids often can’t focus on school work, aren’t supported at home etc (parents working too hard to ‘put food on their families’)quote]

Food on their families!!! LMAO!

I, for one, believe in a world where human beings and fish can peacefully coexist.

And a nation where OBGYN’s can practice their love with women?

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clashcity19 offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 34 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (2 days, 1 hour after post)

TeeJaysPlace wrote:
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And a nation where OBGYN’s can practice their love with women?

Women all around the country, no less. I think I fell out of my chair laughing the first time I heard that.[/quote]

Here’s another doozie…

“You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.” –to a divorced mother of three

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OliveOil offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (4 days, 3 hours after post)

Rico is right on. My mom is an elementary school teacher and I have also worked in the classroom as an instructional aide. The expectations of teachers and their students are really quite ridiculous. There are children of different backgrounds, children with different learning abilities, children with emotional troubles, children who speak a different language… To be expected to fit a certain mold and put that sort of pressure on teachers is absolutely insane. Considering all of the tasks teachers have to balance - they work very hard for very little. No Child Left Behind is a joke.

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Maximina offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 7 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 7 months ago (1 week after post)

Hi clashcity! I am the teacher TeeJaysPlace invited a week ago. I am sorry I am so late. TJ, Rico, and ames have all given you some good insight into NCLB. In my experience No Child Left Behind = abandon the students who need the most help & make teachers feel more unappreciated. Bush put all the accountability for student success on the teachers. He made it so that all schools are held to the same standards, while at the same time slashing funding. He cut special education funding nearly in half. I am a special education teacher who works in a high school. I work with students with emotional and learning disabilities. All students who live in Arizona are required to pass the AIMs test to graduate high school, expect for special education students who have it written in their IEP that they don’t have to pass. Even though many of my students are of normal intelligence, I make this exception for most of them, because their mental illnesses usually interfere with there ability to do well on standardized tests. I am moving to IL. Last week I took a teacher certification test called the basic skills. It is a test that is used by the state of IL to ensure teachers are fairly intelligent. It was easier than the AIMs test. I was an AIMs tutor for students at my high school, until the state ran out of funding and had to cut the tutoring short. How can you require students to pass a test, if you won’t fund the tutoring required to help them? Many schools in low socioeconomic areas have been closed because they were considered failing three years in a row. When this happens they have to fire everyone in the school and rehire all new teachers to reopen. NCLB requires teachers to take more classes, but does not provide the funding to do so! Many of the states have interpreted the law differently, so some have gone further than others to ensure they are fulfilling the requirements. Schools in Az are also in trouble if 95% of their students don’t take the tests during the given time. The state decides when the tests are to be given. The fall test was given on Halloween and on All Saints Day. There is no doubt that a white old man decided this. Last school year I worked in a school that was predominately Hispanic. All Saints Day is day that is frequently spent with family and many Hispanic students don’t go to school. I could go on and on and on with stories and reasons why NCLB is bullsh*t!!! Please feel free to ask me any questions.

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literallyspeaking offline Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (2 months, 4 weeks after post)

[quote TeeJay]

No, no. NCLB is a national education act passed under the Bush (II) Administration in an attempt to raise academic standards and heighten “teacher accountability”. At the crux of the plan is a system of standardized testing which is used to determine whether, to quote our President, “our children is learnin’”.

:)

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