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your right but its gonna take more than that to change things

I’m sorry, where exactly are you going with this? This seems rather off-topic for help.com to me.

helping each other possibly to come together?

how is this noton topic for help.com it says you can post a rant.

Help to support my feelings could be a start. Do you not hate war? Is this not a “help” site? Actually it does say you can rant.

biaxident wrote:
I’m sorry, where exactly are you going with this? This seems rather off-topic for help.com to me.

You’d think so but opinion/ random topics make up around 10 percent of all posts here id say. Ive asked around for opinion on it and people are VERY VERY against any sort of opposition to their ability to post random things. In the end I support it as well as it seems to be the ovveriding opinion and policy, as well as that simply I would advocate it on the basis of free speech.

That it does. My mistake.

biaxident wrote:
That it does. My mistake.

No worries, ive made it before :P

Okay now we are off topic hahaha

We all have and I believe that failure to realize our own mistakes and the mistakes of others creates conflict and that conflict can get nasty.

I agree that war sucks. But as someone whose friend just returned from a tour of duty in Afghanistan, I say that every country has a right (and every government a duty) to defend it’s citizens. Problems is, greed and aggression cause war after war. Until human nature changes, and until there are no longer nations states to wage them, wars will continue.

Defending their citizens doesn’t always need to result in war.

War is just a pissing contest for world leaders. “When the rich wage war its the poor who die”- Linkin park

I agree but trust me don’t go tell a drunk soldier that, i almost got beat up

DaNi♠HaTes♠You wrote:
I agree but trust me don’t go tell a drunk soldier that, i almost got beat up

lol

So true dani so true….

something about Reasons to avoid war I google it.

There are many good reasons to avoid war - in this context used to include extensive conflicts involving physical violence within countries as well as those between countries, whether or not war has been officially declared.

Humanitarian grounds
Civilians, who may have little interest or involvement in the dispute, suffer when conflicts, whether between countries, or between communities within a country, escalate into physical violence and war. They suffer both directly from the violence and indirectly from the disruption to normal life, food supplies, services and physical and social infrastructure.
Economic grounds
War is expensive. The costs of developing increasingly high technology weaponry are escalating. Military spending diverts resources away from combating pollution, environmental destruction and social welfare. By contrast, conflict resolution can offer much better value for money.
Environmental grounds
War can be devastating to the environment, destroying vegetation and habitats, causing pollution and scattering debris, sometimes lethal, including landmines and depleted uranium.
Violent conflict can be prevented
Opportunities to avoid the human suffering and economic costs of war have been missed. There has been a failure to defuse potentially violent situations. On many occasions in the past, war or violent conflict could perhaps have been avoided if more effort and resources had been channelled into tackling the situation and resolving matters at an early stage. There are examples where this has been done successfully but in many others nothing has been done until too late, or what was done was under-resourced and insufficient.
Considerable expertise exists
There are many organisations and individuals with a great deal of expertise in preventing and resolving conflict and in reconciliation work. Some have a strongly pacifist philosophy but most accept that a diverse range of skills, expertise and activities is needed to transform violent conflict, rebuild civil society and establish real security. The armed forces have expertise and a role in some situations.

Anonymous wrote:
Defending their citizens doesn’t always need to result in war.

I agree. There is almost never a situation in which war could be justified.

Dude. Dont hate. Hate propagates hate. You can only stop hate with love. Bush is going to be out of office soon enough. Rest assured, no one is going to vote republican after him, so Obama is the man. He has the right idea too. Hes all about peace. Remember, love, only love.

Soldier XX Tony wrote:
War is just a pissing contest for world leaders. “When the rich wage war its the poor who die”- Linkin park

great quote

I fully agree with what the long anonymous stated.

Where do you live, Anon?

I want to go to your house and take your things, as presumably you aren’t going to defend them…

gimli wrote:
Where do you live, Anon?

I want to go to your house and take your things, as presumably you aren’t going to defend them…

No one took anything from our country, that word “Defend” it is used to manipulate. How bout this sentence We went to their house and “Attacked” doesnt sound nice huh? Well its true, because were fighting guys in flip flops and tank tops in iraq. Why are we in iraq? Jesus i dunno because iraq has nothing to do with September 11.

gimli wrote:
Where do you live, Anon?

I want to go to your house and take your things, as presumably you aren’t going to defend them…

Did we not invade another Country? That is so silly to say. would you want some one to defend their house by going to some one elses house and killing thousands of people?

Some of you should go to www.thenausea.com it’s all about the facts.

One of my best friends was came back from Iraq a year ago. He was an infantry soldier. When ever i ask him, “so what are you fighting for” He always said he had no clue, he didnt even understand why we are at war with Iraq.

Have you challenged your friend and his fellow soldiers to mutiny?

Well, I sympathize with your anti-Bush perspective and am certainly not a *fan* of war, but please don’t do a disservice to those brave men and women who have simply followed the orders that they’ve been given. It takes quite a lot of discipline and commitment to put aside one’s personal feeling and do the that they’ve given their word to preform. Most of these people are going to come back home with terrible cases of Post Tramautic Stress Disorder, which by my account, is far worse than dying on the battle field. The veterans that give their lives have fulfilled their obligations. Those that return live in a war for the rest of their lives. Just some food for thought.

I hate the war, but I don’t hate everyone that disagrees with me.

T… wrote:
Well, I sympathize with your anti-Bush perspective and am certainly not a *fan* of war, but please don’t do a disservice to those brave men and women who have simply followed the orders that they’ve been given. It takes quite a lot of discipline and commitment to put aside one’s personal feeling and do the that they’ve given their word to preform. Most of these people are going to come back home with terrible cases of Post Tramautic Stress Disorder, which by my account, is far worse than dying on the battle field. The veterans that give their lives have fulfilled their obligations. Those that return live in a war for the rest of their lives. Just some food for thought.

Hating war or supporters of war or disagreeing with Bush does not do a disservice to the men and women fighting who follow the orders they are given. No where has anyone said anything negative about the people in the armed forces. This is the argument that angers me the most, when people say that if you do not support the war you do not support the men and women fighting. Most of the men and women who are fighting joined the armed forces so they could pay for school. They do not necessarily agree with war or what they are doing but they must do it. We Are Not Against The Soldiers We Are Against The War

So what should our response be to a politically bankrupt state? When our kids come back to us and ask why we didn’t do anything to stop the genocide in Rwanda, what should we tell them? That we hate war? And that our hatred of war resulted in inaction that allowed the mass murder of a million people? What about whats going on in the Sudan now? Just let it happen? Let them figure it out? The fact that there is no world power fighting for peace in Africa right now seems to be because there is no economic or imperial advantage in doing so, which is horrific in itself.

There’s a lot of horrible, immoral reasons to go to war, and there are a few really good ones too. We have a moral obligation to intervene into countries that are decimating their own people.

We need a real definition of what constitutes “politically bankrupt” along with a protocol of response to it. This has to exist on an international, multi-lateral scale. It can be done, after all we have one for an “economically bankrupt” state via the IMF. But is there the will to do it?

tictactomm wrote:
So what should our response be to a politically bankrupt state? When our kids come back to us and ask why we didn’t do anything to stop the genocide in Rwanda, what should we tell them? That we hate war? And that our hatred of war resulted in inaction that allowed the mass murder of a million people? What about whats going on in the Sudan now? Just let it happen? Let them figure it out? The fact that there is no world power fighting for peace in Africa right now seems to be because there is no economic or imperial advantage in doing so, which is horrific in itself.

There’s a lot of horrible, immoral reasons to go to war, and there are a few really good ones too. We have a moral obligation to intervene into countries that are decimating their own people.

We need a real definition of what constitutes “politically bankrupt” along with a protocol of response to it. This has to exist on an international, multi-lateral scale. It can be done, after all we have one for an “economically bankrupt” state via the IMF. But is there the will to do it?

Your right we should definitely help other countries. Problem is we cant even help our own country. Sure our economy is ok..but for how long? We have problems of our own in this country to be meddling with other countries at the moment. Go to a “ghetto” in the U.S. see if you come out alive. I think our President should be focusing on helping the U.S.’s people that are poor and unfortunate. Helping the homeless. Wanna speak about Rwanda? Just in case you did not know the U.S. has funded Genocide look up Suharto of indonisia. Why do these terrorist have weapons? Ask bush he knows. Good day!

tictactomm wrote:
Just let it happen? Let them figure it out?

Yes. We should NEVER become involved in the affairs of another nation…EVER. Its their business, not ours. Look at whats happened in the past. Nothing good can come of interfering with another nation.

Anonymous wrote:

T… wrote:
Well, I sympathize with your anti-Bush perspective and am certainly not a *fan* of war, but please don’t do a disservice to those brave men and women who have simply followed the orders that they’ve been given. It takes quite a lot of discipline and commitment to put aside one’s personal feeling and do the that they’ve given their word to preform. Most of these people are going to come back home with terrible cases of Post Tramautic Stress Disorder, which by my account, is far worse than dying on the battle field. The veterans that give their lives have fulfilled their obligations. Those that return live in a war for the rest of their lives. Just some food for thought.

Hating war or supporters of war or disagreeing with Bush does not do a disservice to the men and women fighting who follow the orders they are given. No where has anyone said anything negative about the people in the armed forces. This is the argument that angers me the most, when people say that if you do not support the war you do not support the men and women fighting. Most of the men and women who are fighting joined the armed forces so they could pay for school. They do not necessarily agree with war or what they are doing but they must do it. We Are Not Against The Soldiers We Are Against The War

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Anonymous wrote:
I’ve seen many things about what goes on behind the scenes of what military does to the one’s they capture and what not. I find it unacceptable

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Now, that was the opening sentence to this post. Perhaps you should rethink your argument, Anon? And, not to sound too militant myself, but if you’re going to misrepresent someone’s replies, perhaps you should grow a pair and do it without being anonymous?

I guess I should have been more clear with my statement. That is my fault, I apologize. However, I do agree with what has been stated above by other anon: I don’t support war. Furthermore on my own behalf, I don’t support ALL the military. There are some bad who have a thrill of killing someone else, so those I don’t support. The one’s I do support are the one’s who actually are trying to better what they signed up to do. Go to www.thenausea.com and do some looking around. Not everything should be allowed. A lot is unacceptable. I just hope we aren’t becoming desensitized to death and blood so we go looking for it.

Anonymous wrote:
I guess I should have been more clear with my statement. That is my fault, I apologize. However, I do agree with what has been stated above by other anon: I don’t support war. Furthermore on my own behalf, I don’t support ALL the military. There are some bad who have a thrill of killing someone else, so those I don’t support. The one’s I do support are the one’s who actually are trying to better what they signed up to do. Go to www.thenausea.com and do some looking around. Not everything should be allowed. A lot is unacceptable. I just hope we aren’t becoming desensitized to death and blood so we go looking for it.

Yes I do agree with a lot of where you’re coming from. Many of our military units should be held to a higher degree of integrity. But, I suppose it all begins with their Commander-In-Chief. He sets the rules, after all.

Aren’t the rules still: to uphold foreign and domestic? When their is a domestic problem there should be mutiny or something done. It really shouldn’t be allowed but I fear that people begin to not give a hoot because it turns into fun. I saw many guys laughing in Iraq over patting a prisoners crotch. There are not many if at all completely TRUE films out there about what really goes on behind the scenes in the military. Blood would be running in the streets if people found out.