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faith and if thats not good enough then you can say it gives peoples hope to live

It’s not about the proof, its about having some faith.

I’m not going to give you the whole “you can’t prove he doesn’t exist”, but think about it. Why do we believe in anything? Love, for instance, why do we believe that true love exists? Certainly there is no way to prove that it’s real, but we believe it’s there.

I can’t give you any proof because there is none. It’s about faith.

Proof huh? Well, that depends who you ask and what’s your definition of proof :)

But faith based on what? Whos idea about God yous mine ior theres.. Whoes religion is right? Why do we even need to beleive? Why not look for a truth in even the definition of God first? I am trully puzzeled by human beleif system baswed on Faith??

1 + 1 = 2 ^_^ God exist , happy now ^_^

Quoting something I read from a previous post about the existance of God.

tictactomm wrote:
My faith in God is grounded in my own internal perception of reality. That doesn’t translate into an objective proof that I can hold up. Nor does it put me on any sort of moral high ground.

tictactomm wrote:
You can’t prove its existence in an external reality, that’s why you take it on faith. You are demanding an objective proof for a subjective experience. It doesn’t work that way.

For the record, I consider that subjective, internal perception of reality to be as equally valid as an objective, external perception of reality, but one can’t prove the other.

tictactomm wrote:
There is an exterior means of knowing and relating to the universe (science and the measureable/provable: a quantifiable external world ground in and verified by emperical theory)and an interior means of knowing and relating to the universe (unique to the individual, non quantifiable). Do not doubt the existence of this interior means of knowing. It forms the basic foundation of relating to and interacting with the external world.

Imagine a pink elephant floating off the ground with a “Bush/Cheney 05″ bumper sticker stuck to its butt. This pink elephant may exist in your mind’s eye, and it may be a little (or a lot) different from one person to the next, but it obviously doesn’t exist in the external world. Certainly it doesn’t exist among the electric currents that charge your brain matter does it? Does that mean that it doesn’t exist at all? No, after all you exist (Descartes “I think therefore I am”) therefore that pink elephant that you imagined must exist, in that “unprovable” internal reality. And a number of people share enough of that same image of the pink elephant that they can build a common understanding and interpretation of it, particularly if the first who “saw” that elephant gave some direction about what it should look like and what it should mean to you when you see it for yourself. Now, substitute “Pink Elephant” for “God”.

On a personal level I would also argue that, upon having an internal awareness of “God” firmly in my own mind’s eye, and respecting that this internal understanding of “God” is an evolving awareness over my lifetime, then my interpretation of the external world is affected by that and I can therefore “see” abundant evidence of God’s presence in the external world. Unprovable? Subjective? Unreplicable in a laboratory? Absolutely. As valid an interpretation of reality as something viewed under a microscope? Absolutely.

Anonymous wrote:
But faith based on what? Whos idea about God yous mine ior theres.. Whoes religion is right? Why do we even need to beleive? Why not look for a truth in even the definition of God first? I am trully puzzeled by human beleif system baswed on Faith??

In my opinion there is no right or wrong religion. The right religion for you is the one that you connect with and that gives you hope and peace. It is your decision to believe in god or not to believe. If you are more scientific and need proof then you can choose not to have faith. There is nothing wrong with that. Whether or not god really exists doesn’t matter. It is what you, in your heart, believe. That’s all that matters.

wtf?…just wtf? You can not prove nor disprove the existence of an invisible intangible being. Good luck trying.

exactly… But maybe I should ask for more then what most religions are tryiny to ghive us.. Maybe I am on a quest for truth and need more then a McDonalds version Of God. Again I still want to start by asking for a deffinition of God so were all on the same page..

God: Paradoxical being with no end or begging/defies logic/beyond understanding…may or may not be a sentient being.

There, thats my definition.

I like that nightowl…. Does this “being” care about us or is carring a human quality that we try to impose on God in relation to us…

Anonymous wrote:
I like that nightowl…. Does this “being” care about us or is carring a human quality that we try to impose on God in relation to us…

Perhaps…There is no way to know until you meet it. But this is what I believe.

God is a passive observer. It created this universe, so it would “entertainment”.

Imagine that you have the power to create life, just by willing it to be. Lets say that you create an ant colony. You get lots of enjoyment simply watching the ants go about their life. You give the ants free will to do what they want. Some ants make bad choices, and hurt the others. You let it play out, and simply watch. It isnt your right to interfere. You can only watch. And when an ant dies, its “spirit” or “life energy” escapes and gos back to where it came from…you.

“so it would *have* entertainment”

lol, forgot a word.

Maybe the God you keep looking for is right inside you - maybe that is what drives you. Perhaps there is no search - maybe we all have a little pice of God within us.

It is easier to prove that which is tangible than that which is not. God, a supreme being or higher power what ever you wish to call it is not tangible at least as far as we know.

So then why believe? Where’s the proof?

Both of the queries can really only be answered by the person who poses the question. Essentially, you must get beyond the doubt through faith or an ‘epithany’ of some sort.

My epithany was quite simple…I was walking in the woods during a heavy rain and the forest was completely silent except the sound of the rain, the colors were amazing, the smells just right. It was suddenly a perfect world…a plan by a great architect with a grand design.

Call it crazy, insane, hope whatever…I won’t change my mind. I believe in a Supreme Being who loves and cares for us. Gives us the gift of life and like any good parent lets us grow and learn from our mistakes, gently guide us and finally welcome us home.

That must be a moment you treasure - Mas

Mas - if you are referring to my reply…it was the first of several but it was the one that hit me the hardest.

I’m jealous

I think I have had that moment too and didnt pay it enough attention but these days - well I have taken an odd interest in engineering and how we have come to get where we are - it has to be bigger than us

Please don’t be jealous…the other two where when my mother died (6 years today) and my Brother (just a couple weeks ago) passed away. Each time, I was there for their death. Holding their hand and kissing them goodbye sending them on their way. They both had a long and devasting struggle with cancer and their battles where fought courageously. The peace that comes with death after such a fight is probably one of the most beautiful moments we can witness. The sudden calmness, the quiet, and relaxation is hard to explain.

I have always loved the song by Sarah McLachlan - perhaps she describes it best….

Witness

Make me a witness
take me out
out of darkness
out of doubt

I won’t weigh you down
with good intention
won’t make fire out of clay
or other inventions

will we burn in heaven
like we do down here
will the change come
while we’re waiting

everyone is waiting

and when we’re done
soul searching
as we carried the weight
and died for the cause
is misery
made beautiful
right before our eyes
will mercy be revealed
or blind us where we stand

will we burn in heaven
like we do down here
will the change come while we’re waiting
everyone is waiting

I will look for that on You Tube should be there - you must be very raw right now - even with the peace you saw - it’s a lot

Mas…you have no idea….but I know they are both watching over me and I will take all the comfort from that until the pain subsides.

I am not complaining but my life has been a bit of whirlwind these last few years (and longer) but I know others have had it much worse and I figure I would not be who I am today without those experiences, as horrible as some have been.

Yes, it is on Youtube…if you are like me that song will haunt you for the rest of your days. LOL.

Oh Jade I can do haunted - never really recovered from my Dad dying. I know they say time heals - but they forget to mention that you change, everything about you changes. I was astounded to find that when people said they were ’sorry for your loss’ it could actually have applied to me, not the loss of my Dad. Very selfish I know but it was like watching the old me disappear and this new more fragile version take it’s place. I’m going to listen to the song now and then I can come back - all refreshed lol - Mas

Well that is quite an angry sad song. She isnt shy of asking a question or two - totally talented as well (watched the live version)

I believe there is some sort of god. But everything is so specific wen it comes to religion, and I think u can just be able to believe there is some higher being up there, whatever you want to imagine it is.

It is not about religion…a religion is sort of a clic where people get together and put on this false pretense of being Holy on Sunday and wearing their best clothes, think they have done what God wants them to do, and go home and open their liquor cabinet after church!!! Thats Religion…false religion where a false doctrine is being taught.. where the preacher has to say what the congregation tells him or the board fires him..has to put up (compromising Gods word) so that homosexuals feel welcome, so that lesbian marriages can be performed in the church, where abortion is accepted if you repent..!!! They dont preach ladies keep your legs closed and men and boys learn to keep your zippers up..the law of god is clearly stated and the last time I looked He had not changed the rules… Jesus is alive, there is power in prayer and it is the “relationship” you desire with God to settle your question about God….I dare you to call on the name of Jesus tonite and ask God to do something for you ! then you will have your own testimony as to what god did for you…and you will know that you know that you know…IT WAS ONLY GOD!

Please dont make the assumption that I dont belong to a religion, however this post is mostly about , at least I had hopes of more tangable proof of Gods existance.. I simply made a valid point that if we was to put all our faith into someones idea of God, where is the proof.. faith ios one thing but why put faith into something that may or may not be what you beleive God to be.. Why cant we simply get beyond religion and look at God as first what will be the universal definition of God.. And after we can all feel comfortable lets look at the existance of that definition in a more intellectual way rather then the McDonalds version that so many religions promote..

i want a million dollars and an island with palm tree’s and a nice hammock to lay my head.

“a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh a sign, but no sign will be given unto them”

Here’s the first link google throws at me… http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ …. there may be something that more fulfills your want out there.

Michael Leibman wrote:
Here’s the first link google throws at me… http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ …. there may be something that more fulfills your want out there.

well that was incredibly stupid….

coolie19 wrote:

Michael Leibman wrote:
Here’s the first link google throws at me… http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ …. there may be something that more fulfills your want out there.

well that was incredibly stupid….

Yeah it didn’t look interesting to me. But I’ve never seen anyone try in any meaningful way to prove God’s existence on this site … maybe it’s against the policy on religion or something. So the fact that there are many websites where they try to do exactly that might be helpful.

“But I’ve never seen anyone try in any meaningful way to prove God’s existence on this site …” — and it’s a question asked every couple of days, so it’s not like people haven’t tried to get “the proof of god” here.

Michael Leibman wrote:
“But I’ve never seen anyone try in any meaningful way to prove God’s existence on this site …” — and it’s a question asked every couple of days, so it’s not like people haven’t tried to get “the proof of god” here.

Ok, that’s a little too much…Meaningful to whom??? The person answering the question or the person posting the query?

See that’s the problem on this site and why some many are choosing to leave or limit their time here. Who are you (generalization) to decide what is meaningful to me (generalization)?

If you post a query and seek out help - people will share their experience because it was MEANINGFUL TO THE REPLIER.

My step dad has a great quote - advise is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. If you consider it worthless - ignore it but at least appreciate the fact that the effort was made by the replier.

Jade wrote:

Michael Leibman wrote:
“But I’ve never seen anyone try in any meaningful way to prove God’s existence on this site …” — and it’s a question asked every couple of days, so it’s not like people haven’t tried to get “the proof of god” here.

Ok, that’s a little too much…

Yes, I agree. It’s inaccurate.

I saw this post as a clear counterexample:

http://help.com/account/read-notice-8…

Meaningful to whom??? The person answering the question or the person posting the query?

The person asking the question. That’s what proof would consist of, something that convinces them. I did say it wrong, but still I’ve gotten the overall impression that people who’ve asked for proof of God’s existence have mostly been not been presented with convincing proof. I could be wrong. But if they really care there are other options.

See that’s the problem on this site

This site only has it’s own technical limitations and the problems we bring to it.

(I’m not trying to be argumentative.)