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Its a sad reality but its reality none the less. You will always have illegal immigrants in the united states, it cant be stopped. As long as there is money into bringing them in here, there will always be someone out there doing it.

Just imagine if the borders of this continent were secure 500 years ago. Most of us wouldn’t be here, and there probably wouldn’t be a USA.

I love my friends to the south wholeheartedly but my family came to the US legaly.. And that is where the problem is with our friends to the south.. They can come here but we had a horrible attack on 9/11 that made us a little concerned about opening up the borders to anyone.. Why cant they just acept the fact that they can come up here but need to go through the same channels my grandparents had to go through, and nooo I am not a concerative, but a thinking liberal…

Did you ever consider that fences sometimes also mean that you cant leave. That what prevents entrance prevents departure. It’s in your moments of decision that your destiny is shaped or taken away.

The Bill of Rights was not a suggestion.
The Constitution of the United States of America was origanlly written and then changed many times:( until now it is just a document with laws to work around it.

we need more thinking people like you fizz.. But my party, the dems seem to want to play the race card to avoid dealing with a very serious situation.. and where the hell is the pres. on this pisses me off dont get me started

History repeats itself.

jcd wrote:
Just imagine if the borders of this continent were secure 500 years ago. Most of us wouldn’t be here, and there probably wouldn’t be a USA.

Exactly, im sorry but this post seems rather discriminating. Im not saying illegal aliens should just be free to come to America as they please but they contributed to the states just as much as any other american. Some come here because their life as they know it is hell so to them they have no other choice but to come here for the freedom their country/continent lacks.

By the way americans kill more americans than any other nationality. So to me we do a good darn job at killing innocents our selves

if we are to open our borders which we already did, we need to change the law.. for now at least I hope, it is illeagle to cross our borders

I understand the issue at hand im just upset how those articles made illegal immigrants all look like criminals. Its just making americans hate what they dont know/understand (people who are different) even more. It makes it harder for legal immigrants because they will automatically be labeled as a criminal by the statistics those articles put forward

My bad i will admit you are right i am wrong. I just didnt like how the articles made it seem like they are just so horrible. It is a crime so they should be punished.

here we go again making wrong right and right wrong….if you want to change the law you have to go through the proper channels, for now it is against the law to cross the border unchecked and for all you race baitors I would say the same for any frikin race

What are you talking about? I clearly said i was in the wrong. That they are committing a crime and should be punished.

sky I retract I didnt read fast enough

I am not from the US but there is a similar debate in Europe, or at least within the European Union.

I wonder if this post does not violate the TOU.
You state facts in your original post but then…

Fizz wrote:
You are absolutely right this post is discriminating, I do discriminate against illegal aliens, but not against legal immigration.

I wonder if this is an opinion or just plain discrimination.
How I read your words you present it more as facts and that worries me.

Fizz wrote:
I know and understand the reasons for illegals to come to this country, but it offends me that instead of trying to fix the problems in their own country that they come over here and cause problems in our country.

People that choose to fled their country do so in order to make their life better. Not just for the fun of it.

Trying to fix their own problems? I think many would if they could.
But do not forget that in many countries it isn’t that easy. Change is nearly impossible due to a corrupted system.

And regulations that ‘the western world’ holds against those countries ain’t making it easier.

Fizz wrote:
Skyy all illegal immigrants ARE criminals…..they become criminals when they cross our borders illegal. If you break the law regardless of what law it is, that does make you a criminal!!!!

Yes, you are right here. However, should an attempt to better your life be considered wrong? I think the system needs urgent changes. And than I mean the system of the world.

I will never agree on murder, but I am willing to wonder how ‘innocent’ some of the victims are.

Wouldn’t the world instantly be better if we stop thinking in ‘them’ and ‘us’, what if there is only ‘we’ and we try to make things better together?

Fizz, I truly respect you, I hope you know that, but I find this a very sensitive subject with a questionable approach.

to the world who doesnt understand let me say this loud and clear 9/11 9/11 9/11 what do all you good doers think when we have terrorists laughing at our open borders… We need to stop this before its tooo late… I wouldnt want canadians comming in here ileagally either….

Anonymous wrote:
to the world who doesnt understand let me say this loud and clear 9/11 9/11 9/11 what do all you good doers think when we have terrorists laughing at our open borders… We need to stop this before its tooo late… I wouldnt want canadians comming in here ileagally either….

To you who dont understand let me say this loud and clear 9/11 9/11 9/11 was an inside job the the US government to give americans a reason so volunteer to go to war

*by the US gov to give americans a reason to volunteer to go to war

the war was a mistake but dont equate that with opening up our borders … bush is an a hole but dont even go there with conspiracy theories…

Nothing i said was conspiracy thats what i believed from the day it happened. Until someone can prove to me it wasnt im going to continue to believe it. That person shouldnt have brought that up in the first place because everyone have their own views of what actually went down on that fateful day

aeolian mode wrote:
the war was a mistake but dont equate that with opening up our borders … bush is an a hole but dont even go there with conspiracy theories…

Do you understand sky and I do value your oppinion that the burdon of proof lies on saying it was an inside job…

The burdon of proof probably did lie which is why i dont believe “everything”. Just the parts that stand out to me but i still believe it was “an inside” job. Im done with this im tired of taking over peoples post lol. if you want to shout me ok if not ok

Fizz, I agree with you on many things.

And trust me, before I make a bold remark, I do my research.

Not a second I questioned if the facts that you gave were true.
Not in my mind and not in my reply.

What I find scary, and that is the best word I can come up with, is that I get the feeling that all illegal immigrants are considered wrong.

Looking at the letter of the law you are absolutely right.
But from a social point of view I personally disagree.

The issue is much more complex, or so I think, than just open or closed borders.
It is something that has been created over decades and every country plays a part in that. I also think it is an attitude problem, an attitude of governments. Feeling that they are a better country than another one.

I am not aware of the Mexican example, but am willing to believe you.
However, I’d like to look at the situation that caused this and think the solution should come from there.

Go to the core of the problem and work on it together.

I find it an interesting discussion that absolutely should be held, I personally only disagree on the way it was presented, but that is me.

Yea thats what i was trying to point out but didnt know how to express my thoughts. The way it was presented made it seem like they were all bad. I know its a crime i know they should be punished, i never questioned that. But they are people those articles are just making it seem like they are less than us. Like they are nothing but trouble makers. Do you understand what im trying to say? Maybe if they said its against the law to cross the american border so they should be deported then ok. But they pointed out every flaw possible for “us” americans to hate illegal immigrants, which will like i said earlier, cause hate between races who are different. Which is not what we should be doing.

Please dont get offended fizz, i respect you, but by just putting statistics and not explaining only showed them as evil doers and not human beings. Then the articles made them look even worse.

Ok im off now ill leave you alone, seriously this time

Whats wrong is wrong………I guess we should all look into Mexicos policy and see what there policy is on open borders… you would all be shocked to find out..Should we all try to change mexicos policy on illeagal immigration….

Fizz you dont need to let us know you are a carring person, you obviously are.. What you need to be aware of is there are people of the US who absoultly hate this country.. They hate our system soooo much that they will try to justify there ideology by hiding and making themselves into the good guys over open border policy.. They want to make any one who follows the law into raciests and hate mongers.. They are dangerous group who is hell bent on destroying the US.. They are among us and when you understand this , and it took me many years , you will realize that there is no logical debate with this group…

They probably wear those shirts because we publicize how many of them cross our borders instead of keeping quiet and doing something about it. At one point they were all over the news showing people staying up all night guarding the border lines between cali and mexi. They even said how they would shoot them if they got the chance. If you show hatred you will only get it back.

But that last story is crazy he should be put in jail, then again celebrities get patted on the waist all the same for dui’s.

And since we are talking about Illegal Mexicans, they dont know how to respect property so they destroy it. Not that they are dirty people but they just dont know any better (not all but the ones who cause the most trouble). Ive witnessed how bad they can be but i cant judge them all because some are ignorant.