Depression
I started writing this a while ago, and since then I am coping a lot better. Not quite where I want to be, but slowly getting there. Not sure if the title should be depression, worry, or something else. But thats not really the important bit! I really do hope that this helps whoever may read it. Feeling down? You are not alone :)
“Misery is almost always the result of thinking”
I think I have a problem. I think I think too much…
I often think, “How come we can’t be happy all the time?”. A simple question it seems, but unfortunately it does not have such a simple answer. Why can’t we be happy all the time? Why do feelings of elation always have to be followed by bouts of unprecedented depression? It seems to me that misery is the exchange of happiness for the deep gratification of self loathing. After all, there is nothing more satisfying than feeling you can empathise with the worlds suffering. Feel its pain.
I often say that its the troughs in life that make the peaks worthwhile. But what if the troughs never seem to go? What if the peak always seems unreachable because you are too preoccupied feeling sorry for yourself, unmotivated to beat the depression, yet hating the fact that you have nothing to feel so bad about. And yet the depression continues.
All too often recently I’ve suffered sickness, loss of appetite, fatigue, caused by a constant tirade of worrying. I tell myself it’s just low level stress, but maybe stress is a symptom, not a diagnosis. For me worrying is a lifestyle. Nothing is too trivial not to warrant a million thoughts. Am i giving the right impression of myself? Do people like me? Are my actions causing others hurt? That’s before I even start worrying about where I’ll be living once college is done, when I’ll next see my dad, whether I will keep my closest friends, or whether we’ll fall out or drift apart.
During the good times, worrying can be good. It shows you care. But when you lay awake at night, when you feel ill from all the thoughts rushing around your head, you see that worrying is infact the curse of an active mind. When it causes lows marked by feelings of strong isolation, despair, it is certainly not a good thing to worry.
There are times when I actually hope that bad things will happen, that friends will upset me, just to justify the feelings of depression. Is that healthy? I know the answer, but change is a process far harder and more daunting than simply living with the bad. Its easier to give up than to fight it. And when you feel so alone, that there is no-one you can talk to, it is so hard to put a brave face on things. Depression is a feeling so strong you can’t fight it alone. But when it makes you feel so alone, how do we stop it? That is one answer of which I have no idea. Other than it takes an emotion more powerful, an emotion that comes from the perfect someone who truly cares about you.
Until that time, I seem destined to live with the needless feelings of self hate, of denial, of regret. The feelings which 99% of the time have no base, other than I have fallen into one of life’s many troughs. But the question is, how can something so bad feel so right? Will depression become the place I fit in, the place I feel most comfortable? Because that is the scariest future I can think of indeed. I’ll have a good worry about that…
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oh yes, i know what you mean. i’m not sure if depression is the right word, but i do know that worrying comes so naturally to so many of us!
like many things, worrying is a habit. it’s something we’ve learned to do - perhaps from watching our parents, or as a result of coming under too much scrutiny at too early an age, or maybe even because we’ve found that worrying has, in some way, brought us success or safety.
so, if it is a habit and something we learn to do, then it must be something we can learn NOT to do. easier said than done, for sure, but i guess it comes down to what you want. do you want to worry? do you enjoy worrying and being anxious? if so, no problem - as you were.
if not, then make the choice to PRACTICE. dedicate yourself to side-stepping your worries. just like anything else that’s difficult, teaching yourself to be worry-free takes practice over time.
everytime a worrying thought pops into your mind, you can choose to indulge it or you can choose to acknowledge it and let it go. maybe ask yourself “is it worth worrying about?” if it is, then put your fear into some kind of action so you don’t have to worry anymore. if it isn’t, then chuck it. it’s not worth your time. i’m sure you have better, more fun things to do! and if not, go and find them :)
as a more active approach, do something physical - go for a walk, start a new course or hobby, play sport, do yoga, find a creative or social outlet… get in your body, and out of your mind for a while. that alone can make you feel a lot better.
Fantastic advice! The most of it I readily offer to others, yet here I am needing it myself.
Active approach is really the best part. I feel at my best after playing football with friends for 3 hours (I’m actually quite fit :P), though haven’t done it in a while. I tried taking karate, but got kinda bored :/ Its good, but too expensive!
My problem is I know I don’t like to worry too much, but I just can’t stop myself. Having things to take my mind off it really works; hanging with mates, sport, working. But its the summer and with it comes the summer blues! Boredome is my enemy.
“The only thing that I know, is that I know nothing.”
-Socrates
Stop trying so hard to analyze yourself.. you don’t have to understand everything. And you got to get ur *** up, and be ready for change.. You got to make the change happen.
“It’s not the strongest, or even the smartest that survive, it is those that adapt best to change.”
-Charles Darwin
Absolutely wonderful way of putting it and explaining the Depression feeling. Exactly like you said it is important to not begin to enjoy worrying and complaining because this certainly can become a part of your identity, some people secretly like to be this way it keeps them happy to be Depressed, if that makes sense.
Ok, the worrying, we need to strip this back and understand that worry is the symptom, FEAR is the cause, we really need to understand that the only thing that makes us anxious, worried, afraid , concerned, apprehensive, etc etc etc, is FEAR.
When we understand that and strip this back further we can then look at what we fear. We usually find the fear is of failure and critisism.
Tell yourself a lie :
One way to transend fear is to look at it like this:
We usually tell ourselves lies by thinking negatively and saying that a certain situation will work out bad, it usually doesnt, although we dont learn by this mistake and carry on telling our selves lies. If we are going to lie , lie to yourself possitively telling yourself that most things will work out ok, believe it or not this way you will be correct at least 96 per cent of the time !!
Did you know that you will only be liked by about 30% of people you meet. This alone allows us to cope with rejection so much easier, I used to run around attempting to make 100% of people in my experience happy, was i fighting a losing battle or what, it took me a long time to work that one out.
What have you done about feeling this way ??
By the way to come to this site and open up is a really good sign !!
There is alot of experience here , stick with it and you will find heaps of benifits, you can then help on your recovery. Good luck
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Oh I hears ya, Cosmic. Boredom is the worst, worst, worst. As a serial-worrier myself, I know the terrain well. :)
And, hey, great response from wayneandc - only being liked by 30% of the people you meet is a pretty liberating thought!
speck wrote:
oh yes, i know what you mean. i’m not sure if depression is the right word, but i do know that worrying comes so naturally to so many of us!like many things, worrying is a habit. it’s something we’ve learned to do - perhaps from watching our parents, or as a result of coming under too much scrutiny at too early an age, or maybe even because we’ve found that worrying has, in some way, brought us success or safety.
so, if it is a habit and something we learn to do, then it must be something we can learn NOT to do. easier said than done, for sure, but i guess it comes down to what you want. do you want to worry? do you enjoy worrying and being anxious? if so, no problem - as you were.
if not, then make the choice to PRACTICE. dedicate yourself to side-stepping your worries. just like anything else that’s difficult, teaching yourself to be worry-free takes practice over time.
everytime a worrying thought pops into your mind, you can choose to indulge it or you can choose to acknowledge it and let it go. maybe ask yourself “is it worth worrying about?” if it is, then put your fear into some kind of action so you don’t have to worry anymore. if it isn’t, then chuck it. it’s not worth your time. i’m sure you have better, more fun things to do! and if not, go and find them :)
as a more active approach, do something physical - go for a walk, start a new course or hobby, play sport, do yoga, find a creative or social outlet… get in your body, and out of your mind for a while. that alone can make you feel a lot better.
Yes speck its unfortunate but social conditioning does certainly have an inpact in the way we think, its like fear is contagious, when we go out our parents tell us to be carefull, what a disaster, we dont need to be carefull we need to be happy !!!
I’ve never heard the 30% statistic before! Not sure what I think about it, kinds sad in a way heh! But yeah liberating too! I must bring up the average because I like about half the people I meet, trick is to like people for who they are, not who you want them to be.
Does make me feel better about the friends I’ve lost though, 70% of them liked me for a while, so I beat the statistic ;) heh!
Worrying is a way of life in general today, I’m not really a special case! As always its great to know your not alone.
Thanks for the respsonses everyone =)
speck wrote:
Oh I hears ya, Cosmic. Boredom is the worst, worst, worst. As a serial-worrier myself, I know the terrain well. :)And, hey, great response from wayneandc - only being liked by 30% of the people you meet is a pretty liberating thought!
Yeh i was informed of this during a CBT ( cognitic behaviour therapy ) course i was doing, it blew me away to be honest, those few words certainly allow us to transend rejection so much easier.
I think i will make a post on that , it may help a few more
Cosmic Fool wrote:
I’ve never heard the 30% statistic before! Not sure what I think about it, kinds sad in a way heh! But yeah liberating too! I must bring up the average because I like about half the people I meet, trick is to like people for who they are, not who you want them to be.Does make me feel better about the friends I’ve lost though, 70% of them liked me for a while, so I beat the statistic ;) heh!Worrying is a way of life in general today, I’m not really a special case! As always its great to know your not alone.Thanks for the respsonses everyone =)
I certainly wouldnt say you were alone, just letting you know it doesnt have to be that way if you dont want it to be.
I meant I am not alone! =)
I posted in a reflective mood, I really am learning to change. My hope was people can empthasies with the post, and see that things do improve. Just takes a hell of a lot of effort!
I’m glad you made this post :)
It explains depression so well, and next time someone tells me to just change (as if it’s as simple as that) I’ll send them to this post and stick my tongue out at them.
Thank you! =D
aww thank you very much! Yup change is the hardest thing we can do. But as long as you believe change can happen, and will happen, you are well on your way to happiness! =)
This post really does describe depression, or worry, really accurately. And that there is a really great thing in its self, that you can put it into words so well because so many people struggle with themselves to pick apart and understand the core of their emotions. I say you are a step into recovering right there, so congratulations haha. I know a couple people, including myself who have or are suffering from thought patterns like that, and it really helps just to know that there are others out there (like you) who have dealt with the same thing, and it makes me feel more assurred to recover somehow. Not totally sure why though.
Very interesting! Very deep! I like that! You remind me of my best friend she is a thinker as well! Try this when you think something negative try to think of three things positive! Or what are your hobbies? Do something you love! You are very capivating with your words!
Thanks, thanks, and more thanks! =)
mgnwrn, you have a great point with the 3 positives! I used to write down 3 positive things each day that I can be grateful for. I called it my gratitude book :P When I started it, I found it really hard just to list 3 things! But by the end, only a few months down the line, it became easier and easier and by the time I finished the book, I didn’t need it anymore =) Though its always good whatever your mood to remember to be grateful of course! I dig it out now and again to remind myself when i feel down.
Claire, not totally sure why? Seems you described it very well! Other people have recovered from these thought patterns (wonderfully put!), so you know, however deep down, that you will too. Makes sense to me! And I wish you the best of luck =)
I completely understand that feeling. DOn’t ever hope for bad things. Trust me I have and or seeing bad things all the time. We don’t need anymore bad stuff. And with the law of averages if something bad happenes it will be extremely bad and I would never what that for you.
I understand the worry. I had that in college as well. There are alot of uncertainy at that time of life. I had a hard time dealling with it myself. What I leared is that all the worry, sleepless nights and stress of thinking about the what ifs of the future is not going to help or change anything. The best thing is to make goals and work to acheive those particular goals. Example: You want a good job join clubs and get good grades so your work will reflect on your transcript. It does sound like you have to much time on your hands. What is your major? Are you in any clubs? You need to start doing stuff. I got very involved in Campus Activities and other organization. I did so much that I barely had time to worry.
I’m about to start a degree in Environmental Engineering, after the summer. I am looking forward to uni, don’t worry I intend to make the most out of everything it offers!! Can’t wait =)
Your right that all the what if’s and worry wont change anything, its nice to think about things, but I don’t worry as much anymore. Also the goals are something I am still working on. Its a really great technique because every time you feel you acheive something, it is a great feeling. Its good advice, thanks :)
Your Welcome. That is a great degree. Glad you will take advantage of the great stuff on campus. You are going through a major life change and worry and concern happens in those times and most people go through this type of stuff. All will ok. You have a very bright future ahead. :)
Aww thanks. I do hope so! And if that future involves making the world a brighter place, all the better for it =)
I do think you will make the world a better place. In fact you are already making it a better place by being here and helping. :) :)
Well, I wish only the best for you Cosmic fool. I agree that the first step to recovery is acceptance. Truly, I worry a lot as well. But, I think if you tend to worry about things it show compassion and thought. However, for many, it can be a problem that needs to be resolved. As for the “be happy all the time” comment. I think that people assume that something is wrong with them if they have different moods. I really doubt that everyone is happy all of the time. I think it is healthy to experience different moods. Just my opinion. Good luck.
Yup I agree wholeheartedly that experiencing different moods is healthy! And thank you for your kind words Kayla!
When I wrote that part I was in quite a rut, and had no intention of staying that way, or feeling it ever again. But without the lows, I never really appreiciated the highs as I do now. As long as you are in control, the best way to live is to take the good with the bad =)
I think i said before i think its a matter of emotional intellegence where we dont let our emotions control our life, we use them more as Action signals. One example would be fear, if we are fearful we can look at this as a sign and see what we are fearfull of, we can then face our fear or do something constructive to avoid it. One good method i use to change my mood if there is a problem is spending 20% of my time on the problem and 80% of the time on the solution. This way you really learn to become solution orientated as apposed to worrying about a situation constantly. Try it, honestly it really works, solutions seem to come quicker and quicker after a while.
Im here to help and offer advise, if it works great, if it doesnt you are welcome to throw it away. I wish you all luck with your dreams.
Wow great post Cosmic :D love it. I use to worry all the time but now i dont any more because its a waste of my energy
Many thanks glad it is a help!
And thanks again to everyone for all the eloquant and thought provoking replies =)
Wow, I’m impressed. I don’t know what else I can say.
Thanks, and I too don’t know what else to say! Heh. Just thank you for your kind words =)
I hear you on the empathy thing.
i can totally relate to everything your saying and im really glad you took the time to write such detailed feelings down, because i like you, think too much and analyse too much. and reading certain moods and feelings being explained so close to my own gives me some great unexpected comfort.
i recently read a quote that said; life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass, its about learning to dance in the rain’ i think that makes a lot of sense, even though its way harder to do than to say.
anxiety surrounds everything if your like me and i do yoga, follow Buddhism, eat extraordinarily healthily and read self help books and see a psychiatrist, oh and im on pretty strong meds. lol
like honestly is there anything else i can do??
i dedicate a large portion of my thinking to helping other people and it is my ultimate goal to make a difference. So what i don’t get is, if im doing all this stuff your meant to do, to lessen the anxiety, distract yourself, why does it follow me everywhere?
its so easy for people to say let the thought go, but like really if it were as simple as siply dismissing the bad thoughts or whatever and letting pure happiness soak in then i think we would be doing that already.
i dont know, im so moody all the time, happy and excited, anxious and negative, gloomy, irritated, stressed, sleepy, all different things all the time. sometimes i think im right on track and very confident and i know myself very well and am proud of how considerate i am, other times i feel complely hopeless like i am the only one in my frame of mind and the world is a heartless place full of awful people who are materialistic, bitchy, shallow ect and i really just want out, i do not want to live if thats what the world has to offer. i just dont fit in, because im sensitive and i care. lol but even writing this my mood is changing and im thinking, oh no thats not true, it sunny outside and there are plenty of good ppl. maybe i am crazy
all i know is i can relate to the way your mind works and i think there are ppl like us here for a reason, sure its hard for us at times, but dont become like everyone else, who lets society distract them and lull them into a normal little existence. theres a reason we think deep and are compasionate, i really believe that.
and all the truly great people have usually stepped from circumstances of great hardship, or unique mental states.
Wow, thank you very much for your thoughful words :)
I don’t think your crazy. It’s extremely easy to find yourself overwhelmed by all the bad things around us. What helps me is to constantly remind myself of all the goodness the world has to offer. The good people, kind compassionate human beings who help others selflessly. Just coming here helped me heaps, my brain eventually gave in and accepted there is good in me, and good in the world at large. Now I will smile at the world in the hope it smiles back…
And most days, it does =)
I think I feel the same way…
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