How much control do we really have over our own lives?
I guess this is the “fate or destiny” question. I’ve casually philosophized about it before but this time it’s personal. I’m not trying to be whiny so please excuse me if I come off that way, but I just find that when I sit back and “let things fall into place” they really don’t, and when I “take control of my life” I’m only in control of so much… I can set goals and take certain actions- set things up, if you will- but beyond that, it’s out of my hands. It’s like I don’t really know what’s good for me or what I want for myself doesn’t count. Maybe I’m just looking at things too short term & I don’t give it enough time to see or show that things have worked themselves out. I don’t know. I am fortunate in that I don’t feel compelled to s3lf har|\/| or c0mm1t $uicid3; my family is healthy, we’re not on the streets… but I want more in this life and I feel like I’m running in place and some higher power’s got their hand on my forehead holding me back, going “Not so fast!” Like I don’t deserve it. Maybe it’s just another life lesson in patience. I don’t know what I’m asking for. Your thoughts, I guess? Some encouraging words?
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I love how you were able to capture thoughts that are elusive. fate (which is destiny) and chance are a compelling duo that I find great joy in thinkig about. I started this quest very young, and actually have had to seek the wisdom of physics, calculus and all of both Einstein’s and Newton’s theroies to continue my search. But does the answer really affect you? since your destiny may be to discover something as though it were simply chance.
Life is all about choices and we all have our own choices to make, maybe the options are slim, but we still get to pick the ones that’s right for us.
Here’s a little prayer I want you to try out hun, it’s called the Serenity Prayer.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Sometimes, bad things just happen - the thing you can control is h ow you react to it. All you have to remember is that “it is what it is” there’s nothing you can change about the situation, but you can change how you’re going to respond. It’s a pretty fine line sometimes, but when you can learn how to control your reactions, you’ll find that the bad things in your life won’t seem that bad as all because you have the ability to observe it, learn from it, and move on past it.
You have control over yourself, remember that.
Well I believe that everyone has free will. But there is your problem; EVERYONE has it. So like you say; you can set goals, take actions, and all the rest. But so can everyone else. Correct me if I am wrog, but I guess a lot of what you want out of life depends on other people, directly or indirectly. So looking at it that way, there is a lot you don’t have control over.
However, thats not to say you can’t influence others; and thus influence your “fate”, or whatever you choose to call it! The most encouraging words I can offer is to be yourself, while doing what you can to help those around you, and your life will work out for the best. That is something I really believe! :)
Maybe to some of you I’m not totally clear about my conflict… I do something, and then things happen as a result of my action. I’m not in control of those results beyond my initial action and, like Fooch said, my reactions thereafter. I can’t control what happens TO me. (Not playing the victim here.) Nor do I feel like we get to pick what’s necessarily right for us, Fizz, because we don’t always know that it’s right until after we’ve made the choice. Cosmic Fool (whose reply came in while I was typing this), I wouldn’t say “a lot” of what I want depends on other people, but -regardless- a lot or a little, you’re right.
Thanks, you guys. Your replies are appreciated.
♪ ♪ Scriptease wrote:
your destiny may be to discover something as though it were simply chance.
i’m ok with this, but in the mean time, I’d like to see some results :]
We often think we don’t have much options.
We feel bound by family, children, law, physical borders, illness and whatever more.
But as soon as we focus on that it goes wrong.
You look at your limitations.
Now you won’t hear me saying: “forget about your children and walk on the ocean”, but you do hear me saying to think what you would do if there were no limitations.
What are your passions, what will you do? Where is your heart truly?
Once you find that out you go look at your current life and see how you slowly can mold it the other way around. Cause you can. We all can do that.
It takes courage, guts, trust in yourself, confidence. It is not the easiest thing to do.
Ok, your reply came in. Other story, but I leave the other one there, typed it already afterall, who knows it fit somewhere.
Though we do not always know the result of an action, to a certain extent we can predict it.
I think it is important to always act in a truthful way. To yourself and those that are involved. When you do that, the result can never go really wrong.
It might bring you a challenge, but probably somewhere deep inside you already knew that was coming.
Intuition is a very strong thing in this.
Just realise that you won’t get a battle that you can’t handle.
Ok, next reply of you came in, we just continue here.
Results. They come. But patience is sometimes also needed. And action.
Do stuff, meet people, get something going.
Look at your plan. What do you want? And what could be a first step to get there.
Ok, enough rant here, hope it gives some inspiration. ‘kat.
if you feel happy as for waitting for fate to come in and do something than be my guest but as for me , i go and try to take what i want from the teeth of fate if succeed it is good , if i dont i try another thing…
I was going from the angle that most things in our modern world are influenced or controlled by someone, somewhere. Even if you never meet the person or people who changed your world. For example someone built the house you live in, someone invented the computer you type this on, and someone gave birth to these people so they could do these things. So much in life depends on other people, whose choices in life can affect the rest of us at some level.
That is my view on where the idea of fate comes from. It explains why you can’t control what happens *to* you, because that depends on everyone else.
You can however, react in a different way, as Fooch said! You can choose to take things well or take things badly.
I also believe Miskat has it right where he says be truthful, especially to yourself.
There is a lot of life you can’t control, but hell, thats what makes it fun! =)
Thanks, ‘kat. My particular situation is going to seem silly, as you all have replied on an existential level:
I have decided (and when I say “I” I represent my marriage & the decisions we’ve made together, so please don’t focus too much on the pronoun) that living here in Hawaii isn’t working at the moment, and for various reasons, have decided to relocate. Blah, blah, blah, I need to sell my cars. EVERYTHING else is set up: we’ve got a place to move into, we’ve got work lined up, schools for the kids, renters for the house we own, etc etc etc; the fact that these things have fallen into place (as a result of our actions) is encouraging, as if it confirms that we are making the right move. But then we’ve got this big road block with the vehicle sales… This is the part where I am not in control. I advertise, I network, I drastically lower the prices- I cannot MAKE someone buy my cars. So then I wonder, is this a hoop that I have to jump through to make it all worth it? To show that I’ve worked hard enough and deserve this? That it is the “right” thing for me, for us? OR is it a sign; a red flag?
I don’t want to get in to the particulars of the vehicle sale- that’s a previous post. I know it sounds minor. Like I said, we’re healthy, etc., this is just the stupid little thing that’s going on with me presently.
And yes, Cosmic Fool, sometimes it’s fun- especially in retrospect. But sometimes it’s hard to appreciate it in that way when you’re living it.
And if I don’t say it enough, Thank you, all of you, for your replies. You guys rock.
Maybe an odd question, but do you need the money coming out of the sale of the cars?
Or could you perhaps donate them to people or a non-profit organisation that could really use it.
I do realise it is not a cheap gift, but is it worth a thought?
wow. great observation miskat
I NEEEEEEEEEEEED the money in order to relocate. I donate everything I can otherwise. I am a freecycler :] and so donate at every opportunity.
…I have to go park my car at a busy intersection now but I will catch up on replies later today. Thanks again, everyone, for your kind words.
Ok, it was just a thought, I by no means can say anything about your financial situation.
Well, I don’t know a thing about cars, let alone Hawaii. Not sure if I can help you there…
I do have a lost sales background though. If you want put the ad you made here (without the contact details and such) and perhaps we can see if you could improve it a bit…
Im sure she didnt mean to offend you, just that many of us are very aware of property values and ..we all just assumed .. location location location.. personally, i dont think there is any metaphysical ramifications regarding the difficulty of selling your vehicles.
I did not intend to offend, nor did I assume anything. (thnx scriptease)
It was just a thought.
If it was a possibility it might have been a way to make more people happy.
But I for sure understand it that it is not.
♪ ♪ Scriptease wrote:
metaphysical ramifications regarding the difficulty of selling your vehicles.
this is funny :]
while i wait for the rest of the family to get ready to leave the house, i’ve signed back on…
i don’t follow the didn’t-mean-to-offend nor the we-all-just-assumed stuff…? obviously i’m not offended; i know you are sincere in the words you offer. as for my financial situation: BARELY making it (in our current lifestyle); one of the “various reasons” for relocating.
Sorry I didnt read all the responces…This is such a great Post, and I would imagine most people can relate to what you are saying… Ive pondered this sooo many times before and I do have an answer, though it took many years to actually beleive this, if somebody was to tell me of this in the past I would have laughed…So here I go trying to explain my own fate as well as the posters…suspence is good kiddies..I do beleive it is Karma, and I do beleive in reincarnation.. So in answer to your post I beleive our very existance on this planet has to do with an evolution of intelligence, an evolution of the physical and the emotional..as well as the spiritual.. So as we pass through lives, we take on a sort of responcibility for what we created in past lives.. If say we was a theif in a past life, well in our present life we would be a victim of a burglary.. So as to now know what it feels like to be robbed, hopefully learning from this and evolving into a more better human, which then keeps us in more harmony with our soul which is perfect….So in effect, you are right when you say some things in our life are not within us to control, but learn from this life and you will quickly evolve into a better place..Peace
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For what its worth I don’t think you should see the car situation as a red flag. You’ve said you need this move, and everything else has come together for you. Sure its a problem, but it doesn’t mean you are making the wrong decision!
People don’t want to buy cars right now, so I guess you could put that down to fate. i.e. Out of your hands.
But if you keep at it and continue on with the move, I am sure someone somewhere will want to buy the cars, and everything will work out well for you. I guess you just have to *believe* it will happen, because positive thinking and hard work always work in your favour.
2edeeze, i have that same sleeping “problem” so i can totally relate on that level. but sometimes it’s SO HARD to get through that afternoon nap-time (which, for me, is RIGHT NOW.) i don’t mind the vague cliches (as long as they apply) but i do appreciate personal examples. it reminds me that we’re all human.
aeolian mode, i do agree in balance, call it what you will- karma or otherwise… i don’t even know that it has to extend beyond our current existence, which is why i wonder if maybe this is just another lesson in patience for me, knowing that i am not the most patient person alive… but, see, i’ve had other experiences where i’ve thought, after i’d done everything i needed to do and/ or everything in my power, the only thing left to do was wait, let things unfold, fall into place… and it STILL didn’t happen for me. still not sure what i learned from that one… that sometimes you try and fail and you just have to keep your chin up? that i was wrong to try in the first place? ugh- that’s how i found this site in the first place!
thanks for the encouragement, Cosmic Fool… it’s going to happen. I just wish it would happen sooner than later. THAT’s the part I can’t control.
Well…I’m here looking for material for my essay, which is how much the environment
can affect us.
I don’t know exactly what u are looking for? Yourself? Your career??
I know that sometimes I feel that I’m trying to push some food down my throw. I get to the point of not knowing what I exactly I like, when I ask myself. I guess I’m trying to control for so long that I don’t know anymore. You know what? We need to listen……remember the movie “I am legend”, when the girl says to him that the world is quieter now…..quieter enough to listen of u stop to do that. I’m trying and I notice that every time I don’t listen, afterwards, I feel that I knew the answer or the way I really would like to had done whatever it was. Listen to ourselves - again - is like learning to walk again after an accident….step after step. And u are the only one to do it….others will try to comfort you and even ’slow “you down, and we will have to keep our focus and ….be selfish and say no to their prayers.
Alright, very poetic maybe, but doesn’t help much. Nobody really can..its your way, but while u don’t stop to review your values, you will keep fighting the whole night agaisn’t the cold, and not waking up to get the blanked that was at your feet.
The best place I found in my life, was when in a long hiking (30 days) in Spain, by myself, in this path called “santiago’s way”. One of the only places I really could feel far away from the craziness of the cities and listen to “it”.
Wish u luck and…patience - you are not alone.
Oh Melt, my brain thinks the same way. It actually drives me nutzzz. I recently gave up a move for the same exact reason…well, almost, but at least it is the same theory. I had everything set up and one little thing kept popping up. I thought…well, I know that if I keep on with this, I can eventually change this one little thing and make it work so that I can make the move, but…my “Stupid” head kept telling me that this might be God’s ominous warning that something BAD is going to happen if you make this move. My brain went back and forth over and over and over. I wage war on myself all the time. I “overthink” things I guess, I don’t know. I was raised in a very strict Baptist Christian upbringing. “God controls everything”…well, recently, I have begun to think well then…why should I pray…God is going to do what he wants to anyway and it doesnt seem like ANY of my prayers are answered. Then I feel guilty about thinking those things and I start to ask God to forgive me for doubting and then I go back and think, well, God hears me talking to myself inside of my head, so I don’t even need to say this to him. I feel the exact same way about things, or at least, I think I do when I read your blogs. Things don’t ever fall into place the way I want them too and never happen in my time frame…so why friggin try. People are the way they are and I can’t change them, everything is always a struggle and doesn’t seem to come easy…so, why struggle…why not just let it happen? I so wish I was the a person with a simpler mind. I think Im going to “think” myself to death. LOL
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I don’t know exactly what u are looking for? Yourself? Your career??
i’m not looking for any one thing- certainly not a “career” …i just want things to go my way once in awhile. like now, for example. and not everything, just this one thing. maybe another thing another time, but now i want this.
the furthur u travell into perception, and away from reality, the better…
in infinite space and time anything can happen, its just a matter of training your mind.
sometimes i feel the same as “melt” but realise if everything came easy and was understandable… this would be harder to take…
imagen a world with a set of formulas to happiness, freedom, everyone would reach the top and because of our unsatisfied minds, we would go crazy and want to reach the next level(which wouldnt exist)
which is why we all must learn to be happy with lifes “present” situation and the paradox is, when we are happy, this manifests, more things to be happy about(or is it just our state of mind?)
i dont know the answers, no one does,,, but something that is factual is everything we percive is an internal creation, everything i know, have seen, have heard, has been past through my senses, my brain, and then created…
so the reality is we have everything we want, its just a matter of perception… how we react to the physical world…
Most things in life take time. there might not be anything exciting in your life right now, but eventually you’ll see that things will work out! Hang in there!
Everything is in the hands of the almighty except fear of the almighty
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