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Are current large American unions a good thing or a bad thing?

Example, The Auto industry:

As you may know American auto companies are floundering; while Japanese auto companies are prospering and stealing market share from American companies hand over fist.

One of the biggest problems American auto companies have is their cost structure they simply can not compete with Japanese companies when it comes to cost. And inside their cost structure one of the biggest contributing problems is the American Auto Workers union. A lot of the cost we pay for an American car goes to funding the unions and what the unions have won for their continuance.

The Japanese companies do not allow unions and so do not have this burden in their cost structure which is why they are better able to compete. Even Japanese plants here in America are not unionized, and so Americans working for Japanese auto companies do not have a union.

Would it surprise you to know that on average, despite not having a union Americans working in Japanese auto companies are equally or better compensated for their work with salary and benefits, then their counterparts who work for American companies and are unionized? Not to mention that Japanese plants are safer. And that the worker is empowered as a rule of business.

So here we have American companies who are floundering and can not turn out equal or support product then Japanese companies. And the American Union is a big contributor to that problem, but it seems to add no value to the worker since workers in Japanese companies are compensated equally or better.

What do you think?

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Cole Becket offline Verified User (1 year, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (31 minutes after post)

I think Unions are one of the best and worst inventions of mankind. They were useful in establishing basic rights like worker safety and adequate compensation. But Unions, from my own experience, have outlived their usefulness. They take dues away from worker salaries (and I wasn’t even considered to be part of the union!) and also they feel that they are entitled to new compensation everytime a new agreement is drawn up. They also prevent job promotions and raises to go to those who have earned them. I quit a job, because of a union.

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spiratec9 offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
Burnaby, BC, CA | 1 year, 4 months ago (40 minutes after post)

one ceo said he pays more for medical plans for the workers
than steel for the cars.

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Cole Becket offline Verified User (1 year, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

spiratec9 wrote:
one ceo said he pays more for medical plans for the workers
than steel for the cars.

Almost makes me want to become an auto worker.

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Anonymous #
1 year, 3 months ago (4 days, 19 hours after post)

It could just be that the Japanese cars are a better product? Or that American car companies have their cars made in places like Mexico…

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (4 days, 20 hours after post)

Anonymous wrote:
It could just be that the Japanese cars are a better product? Or that American car companies have their cars made in places like Mexico…

Well of course the Japanese product is better; that’s the point. But more importantly the reason why the Japanese product is better brings us to the issue we are talking about. One of the biggest reasons the Japanese product is better is because of the American Auto Unions. The reasons why this is so are stated in my opening post.

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woody53p offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (1 week, 6 days after post)

i’m union but not just trying to pay things off

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woody53p offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (1 week, 6 days after post)

it’s my money right?

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (1 week, 6 days after post)

woody53p wrote:
i’m union but not just trying to pay things off

Woody, I dont understand what you mean by “but not just trying to pay things off”

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j offline Unverified User #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (2 weeks after post)

It think that a significant cost that US auto companies face is health insurance. If the US had universal health coverage the cost of unionised labor.

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (2 weeks after post)

Japanese companies that operate out of the US still need to pay health care for their employees the cost structure for these factories are still lower then US factories.

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skyy offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 1 day after post)

If i were educated on what you were talking about i would comment but im not aware of this as of yet :(. Im starting to realize i love politics and might take a class or two real soon so i can be informed of the many issues this world has/have

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

skyy wrote:
If i were educated on what you were talking about i would comment but im not aware of this as of yet :(. Im starting to realize i love politics and might take a class or two real soon so i can be informed of the many issues this world has/have

That’s a good attitude Skyy, I would suggest also that you educate your self on a sprinkling of issues outside the umbrella of greater politics, even if they them selves don’t interest you much. For example financing and economics would give you an insight on the topic question which could be helpful in developing your political opinion on the matter. But financing and economics may be something that bore you on their own, simply think of them, or what ever subject would fit this description, as medicine; something bad that ultimately helps you be stronger.

Good luck in your endeavors, it all starts with the attitude to “want” to understand and since you have that then there should be no limits to what you ultimately do.

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skyy offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

I took economics last year in college and i received a c :(… I really dont understand it at all. I wish i did because i know if you understand econ you can have a better chance at success in life than if you didnt

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

skyy wrote:
I took economics last year in college and i received a c :(… I really dont understand it at all. I wish i did because i know if you understand econ you can have a better chance at success in life than if you didnt

C is not all that bad, for something that is not part of your major. There is only so much time in a day and something just don’t get enough attention. But you are right knowing Econ will help you in life for all sorts of reasons. Maybe you can reread some of your old text books. With no pressure to take any tests you may fair better at understanding it.

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skyy offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

What a way of making a person feel horrible… I have a pre business major :(. But im going to talk to an advisor today and see if i can change it to Political Science or something else i actually enjoy. Thats funny you said i should reread my old text books (even though i sold them) because I was thinking about studying econ and finance on the side earlier today when i wrote my reply. Im still trying to figure me out and what i like to do. The only down side to that is time is going by so fast, which only means i need to hurry up.

Im smart it just doesnt show in my work… at least i think i am

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

:( forgive me I didn’t mean to put my foot in my mouth :) - But there is a lot more to do with business then Finance and Econ; I’m sure you did well in other aspects of your curriculum. I my self was good at the Finance and Econ, but needed to brush up quite a lot on more interpersonal issues such as management.

Your young, we’ve all been through the “figure me out and what I like to do” parts of our life; no need to feel down about it its all part of life. But if you’re taking the proper steps to get going your on the right path no matter where that leads you.

I’m dyslexic I know all to well the feelings of when ones intelligence does not fully show up in their work, it can be quite frustrating. The key is to pick your self up and just keep going. Eventually you’ll find what works and take off like a rocket. Good luck

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skyy offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 4 days after post)

Its ok i had a great day today anyway lol. I talked to a political science advisor today and we had a wonderful conversation/meeting. I added American Government to my schedule to make sure political is the way to go before making the big leep of faith (changing majors lol). I cant wait to see what its all about and whether i really and truly enjoy it or not. I hope i do because from what i have witnessed so far i like it but only time will tell.

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 3 months ago (3 weeks, 4 days after post)

Cool

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SoulRising offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 months after post)

Good for who?

Big Business Profits or the Slave American People

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 months after post)

SoulRising wrote:
Good for who?

Big Business Profits or the Slave American People

Dont know I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

in the example I gave of the Japanese Auto workers, not having a union benefited both the Big Business as well as the workers. Where as with the US Auto Workers unions have hurt both the Big Business and the worker.

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SoulRising offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 months after post)

Da⌐11 wrote:

SoulRising wrote:
Good for who?

Big Business Profits or the Slave American People

Dont know I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

in the example I gave of the Japanese Auto workers, not having a union benefited both the Big Business as well as the workers. Where as with the US Auto Workers unions have hurt both the Big Business and the worker.

How about a good profit sharing program? Like really share the wealth where it begins at the company level. How about outlawing Usery/Interest? Why not pay banks a small percentage for what they “actually” do? Why bail out banks? What have they (banks) invested? What do they (banks) have to loose? We are in a magical “Federal Reserve System”. Inflation doesn’t happen, it is CAUSED by the “Federal Reserve System”. Federal is a misleading name, it is a PRIVATE BANK.

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Da⌐11 online Verified User (1 year, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 months after post)

What does any of that have to do with unions?

There are a few companies that are owned by the workers (ultimate profit sharing). By and large it has proven to be an ineffective business model.

Inflation/deflation existed since the dawn of the barter system. You are mistaken to believe that it only existed since the creation if the US bank. Inflation/deflation is a radiometry concept of trade. A lot of your issues you have with banks is a misunderstanding and rejection of globalization on the US. We do not live in 1800 us, the world has changed greatly since them, you need to live in the present and not the past.

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