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It will beat the titanic.

nah,,, just tired of seeing the titanic in a rather large gap one spot above starwars… it just doesn’t deserve to make starwars second place, so beating it, would also be beating an enemy of starwars…

Well i do agree that dark knight was AMAZINGGGG its a shame heath ledger died

TJ (Mr. Meltbot) wrote:
It won’t beat Titanic and it wasn’t that great of a film. Anyone that obsessed has either been born after 1990 or is seriously missing something.

would you like to tell me what i’m missing? why isn’t this movie great?

what you and many “haters” are missing is that your just as ill suited to judge as anyone else… i was born in 87, and no, im not missing anything. it was a great film, but since its getting super hyped and popular, all those who feel their above the crowd can’t simply agree with them, so they’ll say that a good movie is bad, just so they can feel above everyone else… that is what i call “elitism” are you an elitist tj(mr. meltbot)?

lol… well then i guess you have a poor eye for character archs, developement, or that the biggest point of those “needless” explosions wasn’t about the action, “it isn’t about the money, its about sending a message” if you don’t think enough about it, how can you make a proper appraisal? i mean sure, you can look at a masterpeice painting and say, i don’t like it, theres too much this, not enough that, but then you loose painting for the pain chips…

i am a very stout film critic, who does not take himself lightly on the matter, and i still haven’t heard one thing from you about the movie itself that made it not so great other than the fact that you don’t like explosions, and you grew up loving Nicholson’s joker.

classic yes, but i would not be frightened if he walked into the room with me, which would be rather odd with the joker being one of batman’s most fiendish rivals. thats why i believed Tim Burtan’s more child pleasing version deserved a more adult reappraisal.

a last note going back to your mention about action and explosions…
1. what would the city have to fear if the joker wasn’t blowing things up?
2. batman talked just as much as everyone else did if you had paid attention, if not you miss very many subtleties(and not just with him, but many of the characters), either way we all knew who the films real star was going to be as soon as the first movie ended.
3. its true two face’s character has been hastily portrayed in both batman films, but poorly portrayed? not at all. does harvey twoface deserve his own movie? yes. but could this one have existed if he had though? no… he’s the one the audience can invest their emotions in, if they held his reign off for a third film, then the joker would win and the only plot arch left available would be the love triangle. also the film would lose its biggest theme of corruption and the corruptibility of the just…
wow this is getting long, so lastly,
4. this movie, while rich with character development, digging deeper into the psyche than any previous batman film ever did, was more about the citizens of Gotham than anything else.
5. what was meaningless about the story telling, i mean, i hear what your saying, but theres nothing behind it other than ‘people are silly for likening this becuase its bad’

maybe you should see this movie again, and pay much closer attention than you did the first time you watched, becuase it seems you must have missed what the brilliant acting of an allstar cast led me and millions of others to see. and if you still don’t like it, be my guest to come here and give me reasons why that can be supported by the film itself, and not preconceived notions of what it is supposed to be, or what its supposed not to be. becuase what it is, is what mythology is, stories that invoke deep and meaningful thought over the gray area between right and wrong. if you wanted to not like the movie, then you’d ignore this thought, and so the movie would have no meaning at all for you…

im off to see it the dark knight tomorrow i hope it lives up to its hype i am really looking forward to seeing it

rogerbollma wrote:
If your a stout film critic anonymous# you should know its tim burton not burtan

oops… stout critic… poor speller at 3 am… sry..
actualy, the only people that buy into that kind of hype are, well, the people creating it… but… come on , since when has an actor dying been this big a deal? the only reason we haven’t stopped “missing” ledger is becuase of his spectacular role, not the other way around. nobody cares about actors, (nobody sane anyway), they’re rich… (super rich), and we know nothing about them other than their roles or what magazines say… if you think him dying is what the excitement is about, then you buy into the media too easily… if they stopped using stupid circular chatter to garner rating off of someone elses death and a movies success, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation, becuase we would all just simply be able to agree, his performance was legendary, and the movie kicked *** too…

the spiderman movies kindof were crap, as far as movies go, fun, and very entertaining, as well as exciting for having that superhero realized on the big screen, but not good film. which likely is in part what added to the excitement of the dark knight. but the excitement only builds upon how good the film actually was, (likely why Nicholson’s joker is so idolized, by myself as well)

back to what you said about the bats inner struggle, i’m sure you’ve heard this before, and it doesn’t get excluded in movies, “actions speak louder than words” how do you think they portrayed things in the silent age. there was still great acting without any speaking. also, sometimes less is more. the subtleties in everything that he does are how his struggle is shown and developed, you just aren’t looking very closely… i mean, i have a feeling that the explosions in the trailer, (which is supposed to garner excitement without giving too much away) put you off to the whole idea of the movie (not to mention that its a forbidden remake of already remade characters), and so going into the movie you held low expectations, which also leads to low concentration, focus, and understanding.

oh yeah
guess what, all those people who made horrible horrible movies, even the ones who made Soul Plane, or Gigli have film degrees, i’d say they still have pretty crappy creative eye’s. Not to mention all those who never get their chance to make a real movie becuase they have even worse creative “eyes”, yup they have film degrees too. and those critics who never have a clue what their talking about becuase their heads are too far up their own behinds, they have degree’s also…

show some modesty next time would ya…

and lastly
if you don’t like it, you should shut up. thats right, im telling you to shut up… you don’t have to go see it, you can donate $10 to charity instead, then we’ll all be happy, and the world will be a better place… if your not going to donate to charity and you aren’t going to see the film again, the i don’t quite care to hear anything from you, and neither does anyone else for that matter. its not like it was a bad movie that people should be warned about so all you’ve been doing, which means that all you’ve been doing is attempting to impose your opinion on other people.

(ps. gasp, don’t people get that when the joker says you’ll have to break your one rule, it foreshadows him killing Harvey Dent.?)

TJ (Mr. Lilly) wrote:
I personally think that character arcs are better served by dialogue and not explosions. I saw little of Batman/Bruce Wayne’s inner struggle until the last 30 seconds of the film, which then feels forced, if only to help the title make sense. In reality, people come to realizations about themselves and their place over a period - it does not happen just in time for the credits. But of course, this is as legitimate a genre as any of them, so I suppose it’s all up to what people enjoy. For the record, I also thought that the Spiderman movies were crap, (not aided by the fact that Spiderman is and has always been a lame super hero); though, I am sure they were enjoyed by many thousands, not least of all yourself, Anon. And you can criticize my creative “eye” all you like, but I’m afraid to inform you that my film degree says otherwise.

Can i just ask what films you do like???

tj thinks he has weight to throw around, but really he’s just another skinny guy like us, best to not pay attention to nobodies who think they’re somebody…

me too, but it doesn’t deserve the #1 spot for top grossing film , and especially much less so than the dark knight…

and you do realize that the only reason it raked in that much, was becuase there weren’t huge movies that came out all too often… they have had 5 such films, just this summer, and its not even movie season yet. which means that if it had the same stretch between it comming out and the next big thing that titanic got, then it would continue its success to a much greater magnitude than titanic. but since i think the mummies 3 comes out, and im sure something else huge soon after, that will start chipping away at its box office numbers… (also, had titanic been followed by a big chick flick then its numbers would have dead ended too, and actually been a box office flop.)

zero1infntsdns the world very well may end if the dark knight does not take #1.