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1 year, 3 months ago (8 minutes after post)
you support a very good theory. i actually use to wonder the same thing and hope for it to occur. but in reality, (and yes that word seems to always kill the fun, i know) human beings need religion to sustain there sanity. its sort of like a coping mechanism for them i suppose. without religion, a lot of the would probably feel moral-less to a certain degree. we’re all diverse in opinions and values, therefore we’ll never all come to agreement. that aspect is huanting, but that has been the culmination of life for many years. there is no doubt in my mind that the world would be better off the way you described, but convincing people to see things outside the box is far more difficult than it may seem.
god dammit i though i took off anonymous replying, but anyway now you know who wrote that ^^ lol
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1 year, 3 months ago (12 minutes after post)
religion keeps people on track and keeps the world from falling apart…
I say that because I know that, with myself, if I was suspicious that maybe there was a higher God who could send me to the firey depths of Hell - then why would I be such a goody goody? why not rob a few banks… screw a few hot, lonely women! I just can’t imagine people being as… peaceful… if they were afraid of Hell.
imaginations can come in wide variety
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1 year, 3 months ago (16 minutes after post)
i hope elilia replys soon, i don’t know how much longer i can control my anticpation
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I’m not afraid of hell, I don’t believe in it. In fact, I think the only thing that could come close is when the sun expands into a red giant, which it will in a few million years, and engulfs the Earth. That’s just nature, not an act of any God or devil.
But i’m a peaceful person. I respect others, even if they don’t respect me in return. But then I like to think that maybe that attitude will catch on and spread to someone else. As I stated before, humans don’t need to be scared of something to act in a decent manner.
nothing to fear except fear itself
i don’t mean to spam your post, but i just cannot believe how much of what you’re stating sounds like my owns words.
Hmm…but then fear can be good too, as long as it doesn’t override sense. Fear can give someone the power to rescue a loved one from a burning building, can it not?
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1 year, 3 months ago (28 minutes after post)
well, that’s true Elilia, i didn’t mean it to sound like everyone would go out of control hehe
but you think the crim rate now is high? you think the divorce rate now is high? you think the teen prenancy abortion rate now is high?
can’t imagine how high they would get if people didn’t stay away from sins…
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1 year, 3 months ago (31 minutes after post)
what do you mean fear can give someone the power to rescue a loved one froma burning building? I would think fear would keep em the hell out =p
hmmm, i would constitute that type of fear as no fear, if that makes any sense. maybe for a split second, that person doesn’t consider the risks involved before entering that burning building, which enables he or she to act suddenly.
Sins…i’m sorry to say this, but those sins you speak of were ideals created centuries ago. I’m sure defying the laws of gravity would be a sin to some.
And the fear thing would be fear of loosing someone. That fear would galvanise some people to try and help, even if it meant sacrificing themselves.
thats a very valid point elilia, so there can definitely be two types of fears that separate someone from being bold and brave, as opposed to someone not.
i will now have to excuse myself, but i hope to continue this at another time…
Fear is fear, it just depends on how an individual acts on it. And okay, i’m open for discussion anytime Pluto ^^
Must..hold back…a snicker. Lol
yes, i completely agree. i have had this thought many times. i am yearning for the day that realigion ceases to exist and we can focus as a species on being the best we can..
That is funny, but sadly based in truth.
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1 year, 3 months ago (2 hours, 39 minutes after post)
how come they never mentioned anything about the bannana, i thought monkeys thrived on bannanas, lol
no, i have a split personality, its not fair
Hey, banana’s are good! Great source of potassium! =)
Nice…that would be an intolerance then. =/ Better avoid them.
And Jebus, that’s just the form your mind is giving to the little voices. I’d advise you to ignore them.
every time i lose a brain cell, a little voice dies
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1 year, 3 months ago (3 hours, 7 minutes after post)
hmm thats funny, i just noticed that my profile says i am a long term user since 7 months and 4 weeks. i must have incorporated someone elses username and profile by accident. whoops
ok time to visit the settings department and fix this anon guy
i wonder if the other pluto will notice or not, lol
well i hope he doesn’t mind me expanding his planet a little more
Let’s hope he’s the forgiving type
well, i’m just giving him a better reputation filled with ingenuity in my opinion. he should be thankful.
He could take it a different way. But whatever, it’s just a name - doesn’t really mean much if you think about it.
maybe he got kicked out and can’t activate his account since i’m currently using his username, that would be a lol in the making
lol, didn’t you accept my request?
That’s not exactly nice. Considering he was only here to help others, and get some advice in return maybe
i’ll conform with the consequences if necessary
I’m agnostic. I’ve already moved on from all those beliefs and superstitions.
thats a **** good point you got there
So…if people actually feel this way, why does nothing ever get done, or even said about it officially? I mean, people talk about unity, but underneath, the great powers that be only ever join together to get one up on another power - at least historically that has been the case. Maybe…a new form of government should be created. With worldwide representatives from every country. Bigger than the UN or the EU. A truly world wide power, without a single figurehead leader. Thoughts anyone?
Xeno Dragon wrote:
I’m agnostic. I’ve already moved on from all those beliefs and superstitions.
hmmm thats funny, i always thought that agnisticism was concluded as being uncertain to beliefs and the existence of afterlife.
elilia wrote:
So…if people actually feel this way, why does nothing ever get done, or even said about it officially? I mean, people talk about unity, but underneath, the great powers that be only ever join together to get one up on another power - at least historically that has been the case. Maybe…a new form of government should be created. With worldwide representatives from every country. Bigger than the UN or the EU. A truly world wide power, without a single figurehead leader. Thoughts anyone?
thats admirable and i would definitely support your theory unquestionably. but leaders these days thrive on power and they demand all the authority they can establish. their will always be a conflict of interest and opinions throughout the world and its representatives. the chance of unified opinions and valued agreement is slim to none. as the population increases, so does the corruption and authoritive demand. its almost like the motto, “united we stand” is fading throughout the years.
i really like this post. i truly wish we could screw the religious war s#!t and like, land on mars or something, fighting isnt helping. we should make a nation of people who think like us, even though its been tried before. just cut ourselves off from the world to do something great…
But in cutting ourselves off from the world, we would be just another faction, and sooner or later we would need help from outside.
And you say leaders thrive on power, and I agree, many of the ones today do. But we’re the ones that vote for them and put them into power! I personally don’t vote, not because i’m not interested, but because none of the options available seem all that great - all selfish and power mad. It’s the people who control who’s in charge, but too many people are too scared or comfortable to stand up and say no. And then so many people have been raised to believe they’re insignificant when they’re not! They could achieve so much if they had that belief in themselves.
I can’t, and won’t believe that everyone becomes corrupted by power. There are people out there who actually want to work for the greater good, but just don’t know how. It’s a sad fact that most of the world leaders today have been raised from childhood to do what they do, by families and social groups that have an agenda. But that can be changed if enough people push for it. And maybe that’s what the world needs most - a push in the right direction.
it is sad to say the least. we use to have leaders that would actually ride horses into battle and literally fight with soldiers for there land and freedom. instead now, we have leaders who hide behind armed security inside safe houses, addressing the wrong matters at hand under their own useless strategies. i’ll never understand why people remain in fear and appoint such leaders into office like you said. it has become one of our most disappointing formalities ever to exist. nobody should fail to discern there rights and potential when it relates to a more beneficial economy.
But nothing will change until someone gives the people another option! And I know there are enough whispers and murmurs behind closed doors, all wishing for something to change, but not having the power to make it happen. Maybe all they need is for a few voices to speak up, which they can then add theirs too. And maybe like a wave, those voices will gain power and be heard. Afterall, isn’t that how great things start?
…Oh no, this is almost making want to go into politics! ^_^’
you have the right attitude, no doubt. and yes, i wouldn’t be surprised as to what gets mentioned behind the closed doors.
If you could, if there was even a chance you could make a difference, would you brave it and try and get your voice heard?
life is about risks, so i would give it a shot and hope for the best ;)
You know, I think I like your way of thinking Pluto =) Maybe one day we’ll have the chance to make a difference - at least I hope so.
oh well thank you, your opinions seem to influence my interest. i would be honored to stand on a stage with you before the public :)
Well thanks =) Maybe one day in the future we’ll have that chance. All we can do is try. And you know what, I think that’s exactly what i’m going to do!
you’re right, nothing is impossible, good talk today :)
i would love to stand on a stage and lecture a bunch of people too, pluto and elilia, but first, i would be too scared, and second, you cant make people listen to you….
you’re absolutely right, i would never make anyone listen, it would be their choice to do so. if we did ever get the chance to influence society to look at life from a different perspective, that’s all i would ever hope for is that one chance.
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you’re absolutely right, i would never make anyone listen, it would be their choice to do so. if we did ever get the chance to influence society to look at life from a different perspective, that’s all i would ever hope for is that one chance.
you seem very logical. i thnik it would be wrong to force them to listen if we could, but without doing so, i dont think we could convince the whole world with just words….
There are too many people in the world to convince every single person, lol. And if everyone did think the same then the world would be a very boring place.
But, as a generalisation (and please don’t stone me for this!)the masses are willing to sit back and let someone else take control. It’s only when those who run things for them mess up so badly like they have been these last couple of decades, that the real dissent starts.
What we really need is for all these so called “world leaders” to pull their fingers out of their backside, realise they’re not in pre-school anymore, and understand that their countries could benifit a whole lot more by working together and sharing resources - not making it all about money and power.
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There are too many people in the world to convince every single person, lol. And if everyone did think the same then the world would be a very boring place.
But, as a generalisation (and please don’t stone me for this!)the masses are willing to sit back and let someone else take control. It’s only when those who run things for them mess up so badly like they have been these last couple of decades, that the real dissent starts.
What we really need is for all these so called “world leaders” to pull their fingers out of their backside, realise they’re not in pre-school anymore, and understand that their countries could benifit a whole lot more by working together and sharing resources - not making it all about money and power.
thats a good point. people do tend to want to be told what to do. we would need to convince the majority of people though, and then make sure that someone with these ideas came into power. i also think that we should destroy the UN and from a new organization that doesnt restrict technology. if this happened, it wouldnt matter if WMDs were legal, because we wouldnt be fighting…..
Hmm…I still think they’d need to be monitered. All you’d need is for one maniac and bam! And to be honest, I don’t really think the majority need all that much pursuading, at least not from what i’ve seen and heard. A large percentage of the populaton like the idea of a common unity, but like you said, with the UN as it is, there is too many holes in the plan. Like when the plans to share military recources were put forwards, people rightfully said it would be a bad idea as the countries in the UN barely tolerate each other most of the time, let alone those outside of it. If one country were to use another country’s war machines against their own personal enemy, it would drag them in to it also.
What we need, in my own personal oppinion, is to open up communications between countries more frequently and more effectively. Only then can any real bridges be built and differences put aside. And only then would sharing military resources become feasable. It’s one hell of a long road, but it can be done, I think.
lq2m….yes, one hell of a very very very very very very long road. i didnt mean instantly like lift all bans on WMDs, that would be highly unintelligent, especially at the beginning of our new world order…so far the steps we have are:
1. get the word out that we should all work together as humans to do great things
2. get people with that idea in mind in control of countries
3. destroy the UN
4. influence countries to talk and share what they have with each other
i think thats all i have so far. i would like to know how you would suggest we open communications, as that seems kind of obvious, but difficult. i also think that once everything is rolling people need to travel internationally more, to see what its like other places. scientists will need to go to other countries and work with other scientists on new technology. this would be so great…
well of course thats true but will it happen in our lifetimes? of course not, people are too far up themselves these days to be botherd to try and solve these problems and the governments are run by idiots that are too scared to do anything incase a complaint is filed against them…
true edgar, but we could start it and hope the next generation would follow through….one thing i thought of was all the crap in israel, how are we supposed to solve that??
it’s a complex situation undoubtedly. i believe if we were to share ideas and cooperate in solving issues effectively, we would need to start from the top of the list and gradually work our way down. if other national leaders could learn to trust one another then our accomplishments as a “whole” could be endless in my opinion. this could be like a new foundation for the world and society. i was watching barack obama’s campaign speech last night and it bored me unto hell. the highlight for his solution to fuel expense was conserving energy. and then he decided to elaborate on how proper tire inflation would help conserve fuel. things that are so simple, things that we as individuals can accommodate for and manage without being addressed to do so. maybe i’m over-examining the issue here, but it just seems that his purpose is insignificant when it comes to our benefits. that’s just one of the many aspects i wanted to point out in regards to a single serving possible president.
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true edgar, but we could start it and hope the next generation would follow through….one thing i thought of was all the crap in israel, how are we supposed to solve that??
nukes? russia is the nearest, let them do it…
edgar, no we cant nuke them, that goes against the whole “everyone working together” thing. we could just let them kill each other off, and then work with who is left, or we would have to convince them to stop fighting. but they have been fighting for like forever, so i dont think thats going to happen….
Exactly, the fight has been going on for so long, i’m not evensure they really know what they’re fighting over anymore. It’s just a cause which has been passed down through the generations. If you targeted the younger generation, worked with them and showed them that unity isn’t a bad thing, chances are the conflict would simmer out over the years.
It’s much easier to change the mindset of someone who is willing to learn, and we all know the saying “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.”
true, elilia, and the younger generation is more than likely to hate the war they grew up with. so at this point i think we can either continue to talk about this future, or we can start creating it…..
Already with you on that one! =) Have been looking into political parties that have the same general idea, as creating a new party from scratch takes A LOT of money, just to promote. Once i’ve found the right one, i’m signing up. I don’t know what I can do, but it’s worth trying something!
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Already with you on that one! =) Have been looking into political parties that have the same general idea, as creating a new party from scratch takes A LOT of money, just to promote. Once i’ve found the right one, i’m signing up. I don’t know what I can do, but it’s worth trying something!
im not sure we need a separate party, at least not at first. and any existing parties i dont think would be right because if they had any meaningful power, we would know about them. also, i cant vote, so im kind of out of that…..i think the internet will help here, because this will be a world wide movement. i think im going to post some youtube videos with these ideas and maybe start a website, just to get people thinking about it. getting ideas to local people would help too, then have a big rally and get on the news, then think about starting a party…
I’m right there with you on that idea. I was thinking about asking some people on here if they have any skills we could use, you know, website designers and techy people - i’m useless at all of that! Lol.
But yeah, if we all do what we can, we’ll be able to get the message out there much faster! Good luck with your plans, and here’s hoping they work!
thanks, and good luck to you also. i will probably need some help maintaining the website if i get it going, so ill probably ask people here.
Well, im not trying to start a religion debate please, thius is just my opinion,we do need religion, christianity to be exact, we need it because one day this is all going to be over and i want to be going to a nice happy place for all eternity. and without “religion” that can’t happen
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Well, im not trying to start a religion debate please, thius is just my opinion,we do need religion, christianity to be exact, we need it because one day this is all going to be over and i want to be going to a nice happy place for all eternity. and without “religion” that can’t happen
that sounds very comforting. but i must ask you where you’re acquiring your assurance from? the bible? fellow christians? i don’t intend to come off as anti-christian but life is what it is. you live life and then you meet your unpleasant demise unfortunately. i never understood why people need to conform themselves unto believing in some higher power. i guess it eases the paranioa a bit. maybe you can sleep better at night after repenting your sins to god. nevertheless you have a life and you make your own decisions.
Because without God there is no hope the other option is that its all fake and when we die its over
You say the world needs christianity. What about the others? I bet every religion has that attittude, and guess what, that causes war. It’s a fact that most wars throughout the ages have been over religion, and I ask you, what kind of all loving god condones that? All of them it seems, meaning none of them are really that great. It’s the arrogance of “mine is the one and only greatest and that’s that” is what causes conflict. You can believe in whatever you like if it gives you the reassurance you need to get through life, but let others believe what they like in return and accept that whatever the name given to it, it is essentually the same idea.
zacharris1: think about it. do we REALLY need religion? i think YOU need religion. I really dont think i need it at this point, and im catholic. god doesnt seem to be present. he needs an office or something. i think that if we all were to just be human together, we would be getting along and making god happy, if there is one. if we were all to get along and do something great, god would have to be happy, because we are all getting along. then if there is an afterlife, we would all go to heaven, yay us!
Well acording to christianity in order to go to heaven you cant just be a good person, you need to put faith in Jesus Christ.
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Well acording to christianity in order to go to heaven you cant just be a good person, you need to put faith in Jesus Christ.
i suppose you are right in that, but if i convince the world to put aside their religious differences on the basis that we are all human and should work together, how can i be denied eternal life if i made the world stop fighting?
Well god wants us to need him, thats just what he wants, thats why hes dinies people who have done AMAZING things eternal life. Because other wise they wouldn’t need him. People often call it fire insurance, but its that and much more.
Implying that god would have us be nothing more than animals, pets even, that need to be taken care of. Here’s an idea, what happened to people relying on, and helping eachother and doing things by ourselves. Say I believed in God, the “father” as some call him. If he really was a father, wouldn’t he be like any other parent and want his children to grow up and no longer be dependant on him?
And just one other point - remember, christianity is an extremely youg religion in comparison to others. You have no right to say it’s the true religion, when if there WAS a God, the christian one wouldn’t be it.
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