Let people believe what they want.
VerucaSalt wrote:
Let people believe what they want.
No.
Question: Why do we put people in insane asylums or prescribe them antipsychotics, antidepressants, and schizo meds if they should be allowed to believe whatever the crap they want?
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an insane person is insane whether you let them believe it or not
Xaos wrote:
VerucaSalt wrote:
Let people believe what they want.
No.
Question: Why do we put people in insane asylums or prescribe them antipsychotics, antidepressants, and schizo meds if they should be allowed to believe whatever the crap they want?
lol Christians aren’t hurting anybody by believing in their faith. Most Christians just want to live their life with comfort and peace just like everybody else. Why is it okay to make fun of them but not Jews or Muslims? You’re being just as intolerant as any religious extremist.
VerucaSalt wrote:
Xaos wrote:
VerucaSalt wrote:
Let people believe what they want.
No.
Question: Why do we put people in insane asylums or prescribe them antipsychotics, antidepressants, and schizo meds if they should be allowed to believe whatever the crap they want?
lol Christians aren’t hurting anybody by believing in their faith. Most Christians just want to live their life with comfort and peace just like everybody else. Why is it okay to make fun of them but not Jews or Muslims? You’re being just as intolerant as any religious extremist.
Have you ever heard of the crusades? Perhaps the Inquisition?
And most importantly, let’s not forget, they keep parking on my freaking lawn.
Christians aren’t hurting anybody my big toe, they are ruining my lawn!
Schizophrenics, most psychotics, and people who believe gnomes live in their underpants are generally not hurting anyone either, but if you met one on the street you would still feel the need to tell that person- “excuse me sir or madam, but there aren’t actually any gnomes in your underpants. See? Look. No gnomes. Ok?”
and I actually didn’t intend to target christians, I think anyone who believes in a man in the sky who’s magic and knows everything including when we’re going to screw up, and how, and why, and designed the universe in a way that not only allows it but causes it, and yet still gets mad and seems surprised when we screw up, is a nutjob.
Yes, I’m being intolerant. I am intolerant of ignorance. Not of religion, oh no, but of not only a lack of knowledge but most importantly and unwillingness to learn. That is what I will not tolerate and if you do, then you’re part of the problem that’s shaping a generation of more ons than offs.
Every religion’s got blood on its hands. The Inquisition is one of the most shameful spit marks on history, but ordinary Christians Mary and Joe next door had nothing to do with it.
They just want to believe things to make life, death and everything in between a lot less scary and confusing. Does’t work for me, but if they can find comfort and happiness in believing something, why not let them believe?
Yes, they all do, and that’s why I was referring to them all.
If I can find comfort and happiness believing in dancing monkeys that live in my ear hair, I’d prefer if someone corrected me.
If you ask any Christian this question:
“Would you agree that it is important and for you personally, quite preferable to believe as many true things, and as few false things as possible?”
They would all, save for maybe a few nut jobs, say yes.
Xaos wrote:
Have you ever heard of the crusades? Perhaps the Inquisition?
And most importantly, let’s not forget, they keep parking on my freaking lawn.
Christians aren’t hurting anybody my big toe, they are ruining my lawn!
Wow man, you must be really sick because by your logic, you hate all German people because of the World Wars. You hate all British people because of the atrocities done during the American revolution, and hate the French for the things they did during theirs. You hate the Spanish because of their… um, Inquisition? You hate Muslims because of their Jihads, and Africans because of their genocides. You apparently hate anyone who’s predecessors did something cruel and stupid.
You sir, are a nutjob.
-Sas
Sasquatch wrote:
Xaos wrote:
Have you ever heard of the crusades? Perhaps the Inquisition?
And most importantly, let’s not forget, they keep parking on my freaking lawn.
Christians aren’t hurting anybody my big toe, they are ruining my lawn!
Wow man, you must be really sick because by your logic, you hate all German people because of the World Wars. You hate all British people because of the atrocities done during the American revolution, and hate the French for the things they did during theirs. You hate the Spanish because of their… um, Inquisition? You hate Muslims because of their Jihads, and Africans because of their genocides. You apparently hate anyone who’s predecessors did something cruel and stupid.
You sir, are a nutjob.
-Sas
1: I did not say I hate christians because of the inquisition or the crusades.
2: I did not say I hate christians. Or any other religious group. Period.
3: I did not say that my reason for wanting to help religious people see the truth is because of the crusades. I said it ONLY in response to his comment that “religion isn’t hurting anyone”, as a demonstration that it does.
You sir, need to learn to read.
HAHAHAHA, I just watched the video! Oh man. That has gotta be the LAAMEST attemp I’ve EVER seen to disprove God! I’m actually laughing as I’m hearing this. Oh man…
If you had actually watched the video then you would have seen the part where it says “This video doesn’t say anything about the existence of god”.
Sasquatch wrote:
HAHAHAHA, I just watched the video! Oh man. That has gotta be the LAAMEST attemp I’ve EVER seen to disprove God! I’m actually laughing as I’m hearing this. Oh man…
You REALLY need to learn to read.
If there’s some reason why my expriment was invalid, then prove to me how, and why, scientifically.
Xaos wrote:
If you had actually watched the video then you would have seen the part where it says “This video doesn’t say anything about the existence of god”.
Sasquatch wrote:
HAHAHAHA, I just watched the video! Oh man. That has gotta be the LAAMEST attemp I’ve EVER seen to disprove God! I’m actually laughing as I’m hearing this. Oh man…
You REALLY need to learn to read. If there’s some reason why my expriment was invalid, then prove to me how, and why, scientifically.
I also love how you commented first, without having even watched the video :D
computer wasn’t loading youtube 4 some reason.
ok, why is the video a Christian’s worst nightmare?
Sasquatch wrote:
ok, why is the video a Christian’s worst nightmare?
The title of a spoof of the video by Kirk Cameron, called “The Banana: An Atheist’s Worst Nightmare”
link, and debunking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQtt…
correction: the title is a spoof**
I wish I could edit my freakin posts. >_
I’ve seen that vid before too. That’s a pretty weak attempt as well.
Check this video out, and notice how weak the kids replies are. He says stuff like “No, You’re just stupid,” etc.
This is one pro-God video (the one that the kid is commenting on) that is actually done well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fb9Cf…
Are you implying that because the one kid responding to that other kid’s video isn’t smart enough to come up with a proper response (not hard) the initial video is correct? I’m confused as to what you’re trying to imply.
no, but I am saying that…
Sasquatch wrote:
This is one pro-God video (the one that the kid is commenting on) that is actually done well.
And who says Atheists never commited atrocities?
Lenin, Mao, and Stalin all viewed religion as an obstacle to the dictatorship of the proletariat envisioned by Karl Marx and thus sought to remove this obstacle by any means necessary.
…and we all know what happened after that
Sasquatch wrote:
no, but I am saying that…
Sasquatch wrote:
This is one pro-God video (the one that the kid is commenting on) that is actually done well.
I strongly disagree. This kid is simply using his inability to understand the issue as an argument for god.
“Time” is a made up word used to describe a subjective phenomena that is merely a measurement (again; subjective) of the decay of the universe.
He’s essentially, probably without knowing it, invoking the second law of thermodynamics argument which, if you know anything about quantum physics, you know - is completely irrelevant. Subatomic particles without specific mass can and do pop in and out of existence freely.
VerucaSalt wrote:
And who says Atheists never commited atrocities? Lenin, Mao, and Stalin all viewed religion as an obstacle to the dictatorship of the proletariat envisioned by Karl Marx and thus sought to remove this obstacle by any means necessary. …and we all know what happened after that
AGAIN, My argument has NOT A GAT DANG THING TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS ATROCITIES. Don’t you people READ? Look up if you want my response, I’m not typing it again. Also, those men you mentioned happened to be atheists and wanted to clear religion but they did that for power, not in the name of atheism. The crusades, etc. were done in the NAME of Christianity. Specifically for it, because of it. Big difference.
Sure they killed in the name of Atheism, they killed religious people for no reason besides they were religious.
Anyways, I don’t really know or care much about discussing…what are we discussing, exactly? And I gotta go make some money so peace dudes, don’t rip each other’s throats out cause I’m not cleaning up after.
Alright, so are you just saying that subatomic particles without specific mass pop in and out of existance, or do you mean that every particle that makes up our universe popped into existance from nothing? If you truly mean the former, then where did our universe come from? And when did this universe start, considering that time in this universe must be finite?
sorry, I should have mentioned that I’m just looking for theories, considering that science hasn’t totally figured that one out just yet.
VerucaSalt wrote:
Sure they killed in the name of Atheism, they killed religious people for no reason besides they were religious.Anyways, I don’t really know or care much about discussing…what are we discussing, exactly? And I gotta go make some money so peace dudes, don’t rip each other’s throats out cause I’m not cleaning up after.
They killed religious people because the “state” was supposed to be their “god”. Having alligiances outside of the government was a bad thing. It wasn’t because they were atheists. Re-read your history books.
Sasquatch wrote:
Alright, so are you just saying that subatomic particles without specific mass pop in and out of existance, or do you mean that every particle that makes up our universe popped into existance from nothing? If you truly mean the former, then where did our universe come from? And when did this universe start, considering that time in this universe must be finite?
Man, you really need a lesson in reading. “Time in this universe must be finite”? I JUST talked about that. Time is subjective and nonlinear. Without mass or energy to effect, there is no “time”.
Sure, science hasn’t figure it out yet, but just because we don’t have enough evidence to form a credible and agreeable scientific theory (THEORY, by the way, meaning WAY more than “guess”. Look it up. It’s not an “educated guess”. The idea that the earth is round is still a “theory”.) but that doesn’t mean god did it. Besides we know several natural ways the universe could theoretically have come into existence (by which I mean the energy and matter that makes it up). Quantum uncertainty, with no observers or observable effect on anything around it, implies subatomic particles could have jumped into existence on the order of bitrigagibisdgvsdvihdvillions at a time, all at once. Matter could also have come spewing forth through a “white hole”, which is now the black hole at the center of the universe. There are a million possible explanations and no way to prove anyone right, but that CERTAINLY doesn’t mean god did it. “God did it” is not the default position. The default position is “I don’t know. I’ll try and find out.”
I fully believe that the default position is this: we will never know, and therefore, need someone to tell us.
Faith in God is not blind or ignorant. For many people across the earth, it would take thousands of times more faith to believe we happened by chance, or by some massive explosion, or through evolution than to believe we came from an all knowing, loving, Creator. Just the fact that the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and still has not been successfully refuted must say something.
Don’t tell yourself that the earth couldn’t have been created by some magical man that cannot be seen or heard. Ask yourself how this beautiful and phenominally intricate world came into existance without a divine Creator. Ask yourself how and why Brian Welsh, (sp?) the former lead singer of Korn, was saved from a life that surely would have seen him dead shortly. Ask how it is that true followers of God will always find compassion on the people that will try to disprove, humiliate and even kill them.
You’ve got to believe there’s something true to this. God truely is real. I don’t tell you this as an act of arrogance. I don’t tell you this to try and shut you down and make myself look intelligent in doing so. (You’re obviously a very intelligent person yourself.) I simply tell you this because it’s true, and I believe it with all my heart. I don’t expect to gain anything by speaking to you about this. Truely, you can take what I say and do what you will with it. The fact is, I speak to people about God because He commands me to, and I will obey Him because I love Him and He loves me. THAT has been proven to me. I really hope it’s proven to you some day very soon. God Bless you.
-Sas
FAITH in anything is by definition (being faith) “blind”, as well as “ignorant”.
The bible hasn’t been successfully refuted? are you… KIDDING ME?
The bible refutes ITSELF! For example: in the first chapter of genesis, god creates man and woman at the same time. In the second, he creates adam, then a signifigant amount of time later, he creates eve.
The bible makes few predictions that you can say “That didn’t happen” because christians keep changing what they think those predictions are, being as they’re very vague. Again, if I claim there are gnomes in my underpants you can’t refute that for certain, but you can certainly call me a nut for believing something outlandish rather than looking for a natural explanation for the tingling in my drawers. Saying “You’ve got to believe!” is not a valid argument. Show me something that can scientifically be used to confirm the claim that there’s a god or stop making insane claims altogether. If you don’t have anything intelligent and backed up with science, fact, and reason, then this is not the place to express your undying love for magical sky people.
Sasquatch wrote:
Ask yourself how and why Brian Welsh, (sp?) the former lead singer of Korn, was saved from a life that surely would have seen him dead shortly.
Oh yeah, and ask YOURself how it is I found my way from being a devout christian, to being a strong-minded intelligent and educated atheist. I guess it’s just a miracle of god, huh?
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