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Move out of Canada. Go to a place more to your liking. You may not love any place in this world, but at least you can choose to live in the place you hate the LEAST.

then why the hell are you living in canada? eh? :D

are you english?

Wow, that seemed incredibly judgemental and not open minded at all, quite honestly. I can totally agree with the whole ideal of not subscribing to modern day society, it has it’s serious contradictions/hypocrisy etc. but chum…you are so discontented with everything!

My advice you will not only likely detest but probably discard because it seems you do that with most things (just being honest with ya). You need to find something that you do enjoy, a positive to balance your many negatives. OR find yourself a nice place in the woods with your books…if that is what you want.

Wow.

come to america, we are all crazy here :/

“Are you a Canadian because you seem to have this whole open mindedness to a narrow range of ideas down pretty good. But you are right, I am judgmental about these topics but only after a lot of thought. The fact that never forming an opinion and passing a judgement based on careful consideration is deemed to be a negative way of being is exactly what I cannot stand. Its an enraging mentality.”

I am Canadian and it has nothing to do with my mentality. Why would you even suggest that? Are you of the thought that we are all so pliable and susceptable to suggestion that we can’t think for ourselves? I have many opinions based upon being a free thinker and don’t make judgements until after much thought myself. Your theory it seems is a catch 22 in which you will never see good as you won’t allow yourself to.

I believe we live and let live. After exploring many different cultures, belief systems and the like, no, I don’t think they are all great but my respect for my fellow human being (my personal belief) dictates that I find what good in things that I can otherwise one has the dilemma you are currently faced with.

As far as being “enraged” by things, you are only that way if you allow yourself to be. This is my point. I don’t think you are able to see it tho because of your perspective on things. In fact the only reason why I treated your viewpoint as negative is because you seem to have expressed it as something that bothers you. It doesn’t bother me, you can be as miserable as you like! I was only trying to help you see that it’s your perception which has you in this predicament.

It’s you who chooses how your life will be. You want to be judgemental and opinionated and suffer the angst you cause yourself by seeing everything as negative…fill yer boots sweetie! Just don’t be surprised at being judged yourself, cuz that’s how us humans work and round and round it goes. Perhaps all you need is a thicker skin and to accept yourself…

i’ll be blunt.

frankly, you have three options:

1) conform. whatever. GET USED to your situation (this is very unlikely)

2) move. find a place where the communal mentality DOES satisfy you.

3) ignore. don’t let this society bother you. (WHO CARES if you pass a liberal festival on the way to your bus stop? it doesn’t affect you.)

you need to make a decision between these three. they are the only way to solve your problem because really, complaining doesn’t quite cut it.

in my personal opinion you should move out of canada and stop letting this so-called entity of “society” plague you so much.

option 4) don’t choose/change anything, walk around pissed for the rest of your life :D

I’m fine with my mentality, it’s freakin fabulous! Thanks for your insight but err..ummm..well it’s just not right.

In fact I have many of the same views as you, surpriiiise! I suppose the difference is that I don’t tend to let them gnaw..it’s not conducive to good digestion.

You could get involved in grassroots stuff and affect change and whatnot, that’s what I do. Write letters, scream on soapboxes about the perils of modern day society..organized religion…family court (GAHHH!) etc etc. It helps.

Pacifist? Noooooooo! lol but respectful of people’s views, yes I am. It is entirely possible to do that and still speak your own truth ya know. So we have both assumed about the other, my apologies. I’m relieved that you do have some happiness in your life.

i was in a blunt mood.

i assume my short-temperedness at the moment was actually caused by the attitude of the post. as opinionated as you are, you seem to have resigned yourself to this state of discontent, and i personally do not approve of or condone any form for resignation or “settling with fate” mentalities as long as you live within the boundaries of common sense.

i believe that the most intriguing and worthwhile aspect of the human being is his Will, and without that we are nothing. nothing better than animals or trees or mere stones. throughout my life i have studied the incredible power of the human will in others and in myself, and this is the sole factor for my respect for various aspects of human cultures (eg. religion, government).

to me there is no greater crime than being weak of the Will.

if a man wants to see change he must make it happen. he must not settle for less. i believe you are a logical and intelligent person, so to me it seems a waste that you think you must settle with this annoyance, as if you are helpless to fix your own situation. even though i know you are joking, your response to ecce’s comment is what illustrates the gross wastefulness of your predicament.

words are lovely things, but they are merely masks for laziness if there is no action behind them.

if you had enough will power to change, you would. however, that was why i provided alternative choices, because accepting blind obedience is just not something i expect you to do. i would not create expectations of other people that i would not meet myself. and to live within an obedient society sounds like hell. (though i find nothing wrong with the religions you mentioned.)

as i said, it seems to me that your best option is to move to a place where the society is not so oppresively docile.

That’s cause you’re in Ontario. Wtf! Get the crap outta there and into a decent place like Montreal.

purelogix, i was not urging you to conform, i was urging you to make a change. the current situation is not a pleasureable one, so change seems to be the most logical choice of action. conformity was an option of change that i presented, though not recommended, because i strongly dislike conformity. what i DID urge you to do was to move, unless you have a plan of changing Ontario’s societal mentality, it doesn’t seem as if you’ll ever be happy there.

and it is my personal beliefs that “god” or alternative “supreme beings” are a creation of Mankind himself, so the capacity put ‘faith’ in a religion is a testament of the strength of will. though i do concede that some people only choose religion because they need their beliefs to be controlled, the very religion itself (ANY religion) is a powerful creation of man’s desire to put order in the world. despite the chaos around him, man forces exsistence to follow ‘natural laws’ of his own creation. so perhaps you could say that religion is a “submission to your own creation (god and mythology)” (as absurd as saying you are submitting to your own thoughts), but as it turns out the creation - which is actively fueled by zealous followers/enforcers of the belief - is one of the most powerful forces to ever affect humanity, believers and non believers alike. think of how religions have affected the world. man drove that powerful beast to change the world in numerously shocking ways. weak beings and minds cannot do that.

and on the basest level, i simply find the history and culture of religions interesting. always have.

PureLogix, I know.

I think perhaps if you had titled your “rant” as what it was, a rant from the frustration you feel at Canada’s societal mentality (although we don’t all subscribe, careful not to generalize lol) I would have taken it with a grain of salt. I was merely concerned because of the seeming negativity of your post…that was all.

I believe if you channeled your discontent with certain elements into the right sort of protest/awareness campaign you may feel better. I’d likely be there as well as many others.

delusion or not, it is still a testament to man’s will. in the face of a contradictory reality, it is not always easy to sustain a delusion. to me, the truth isn’t as important or essential as people think it is. i think all things in this world are subjective, even the things that we might hold to be complete Truth.

faith creates a self sustaining cycle. like you mentioned, it is not uncommon for the human mind to seek alternative systems of belief to counteract the effects of serious trauma. although the change may be initiated from an outside source, it is the individual’s decision to choose that system and make it “Truth” for them. it is a very useful survival technique that i think mankind has been using to recuperate a shattered psyche since the creation of organized society.

i also see that every man is the creator of his own religion. every day he must reinforce his beliefs so that they can still hold meaning to him and still serve the purpose that they were created for. religion is a tool that man uses to recover and self-motivate. it is not even a complete submission in the first place because there is no man who completely believes every word of his own religion down to every single law. when a man accepts a religion or philosophy, he only does so to suit his needs. using tools is not a sign of weakness. more often than not, it is a sign of intelligence, no?

i would only ridicule religion in a person if the relationship took on self-condemnation qualities, but to me, i see that as weakness in the indiviual and not in the system itself.

i agree with you that ‘natural law’ is not objective. again, this is man-made to suit one’s own beliefs to provide confirmation, while condemning a rival belief system. rival belief systems are dangerous to the believer because they threaten the quality of “Truth” to their religion, and a secure faith is required for the best effects of religion to take place. religion is nothing without faith. only then does it have any meaning and can serve a purpose.

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PureLogix wrote:
You sound like you subscribe to the notion that religious law helps to enforce or bring man in step with the natural law of God’s nature. This isn’t so. In fact its a drastic opposite that is abhorrent to the natural order of creation. Look to human sacrifices, stonings, the crusades, the inquisition… need I go on?

makes me think you must have misunderstood what i was saying. religious law is just a law. just because it is “religious”, it doesn’t mean that it has some sort of validity to it. there IS no “natural law of God’s nature” outside of the human mind. the image of god is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. so to say that i, as an outsider to religion - and therefore not one who does not possess the faith necessary to accept a religion - believe that one man’s law can find the notion of “God” is ridiculous. all the human atrocities caused by religions occurred to serve a purpose. ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ has nothing to do with it.

to deny the weakness in ourselves is to create the most laughable delusion of all. every man is a little bit of a coward. every man is a little bit of a glutton. every mind experiences fear, laziness, and hatred. however, for the most part man needs to overcome these hindrances to survive. if religion is that tool, i see nothing wrong or illogical about it. it may perhaps be a lesser tool (one more driven and involved with emotion rather than pure logic), but a tool nonetheless. yes, i do agree that in some cases the people themselves have become the tools to serve another person’s reason, but that is the weakness of the individual. some people are just weaker than others. however, a ‘true believer’ is a man who makes the system work for HIM.

you are right, God does have nothing to do with this. god, religion, conscience, these are all created for the purpose of ordering what man does not understand. and because it is not understood man has the liberty of creating whatever the hell he wants to to fill the lapses in information. and whether or not god “should” never be used to justify anything or not sounds just like your own personal belief. the word ’should’ implies a right and wrong, and when it comes to religion, right and wrong depends on whatever faith you accept.

PureLogix wrote:
Miss Enigma,

I was just trying to fall asleep but instead I ended up entertaining the thought of your approach to the situation. It left me with a rather amusing image. I was thinking about digging up a soapbox and heading down to the local mosque or church on Sunday. Of course there are a few practical matters that I would have to attend to first. I would need to get someone to videotape the event for posterity’s sake so that I could upload it to youtube and I would also need to pick up a megaphone to that I could be sure that the entire flock could be made aware of what servile scum they are!

lol could you imagine? That would be one hell of a grassroots awareness campaign! :P

Well now don’t go getting yourself arrested PureLogix lol!

I suppose we have different ideas as far as protests and grassroots go…my favourite thus far was when some friends and I made 4 foot cards with McGuinty and Harper on them dressed as clowns…complete with rainbow wigs etc. for the “Duck and Run Tour 2007″.

Yeah, umm nevermind…I don’t think grassroots may be for you after all…you’d have CSIS following you around or likely be committed! (Not that I believe you should be committed, you just know how things go when you are so fervently against “the system”).

i understand your point, PureLogix, but sometimes i think that you are much too emotionally driven for your name. to me, there is no right or wrong, there is no sense of justice or evil. the only thing that ever upsets me is wasted intelligence, and that at most causes me to speak shortly with people. under much of what you say anyone can easily detect a current of disgust, disdain, and anger. this might be the cause of some of the differences between us.

you describe the differences in logic, and to me they are all the same. what is is, and what is not is not. that’s all. this is called “Truth”. Logic itself is only a method of thought. it has nothing to do with truth at all. even what we call “twisted” logic is purely and entirely logic, because it follows a logical train of thought with the correct interpretation.

there is no way to entirely discern the truth, so to claim that one logic is “purer” that another is ridiculous. ALL LOGIC IS MAN’S CREATION. inanimate objects do not use logic. there is no logic to time and space because it simply exists, it does not think. it has no need to think, it just is.

pure logic cannot be the sciences, because science does not think. science is incapable of thinking simply because it has no brains with which to think with. it has no neurons to send synapses across, nor cerebullum to acknowledge it. science is simply a focus of study created by mankind to study the world.

this brings me to your “sick” logics. again, this is simply a focus of study created by mankind to study the world, or more specifically, his fellow man. although i will acknowledge that in comparison to your “pure” sciences, very little is known and testable, but that is also irrelevant. lack of knowledge does not make a focus of study impure, only incomplete. and technically NO focus of study will ever become complete. if lack of knowledge DID cause a study to be “sick” then chemistry also used to be a sick study. at which point do you draw the line? at which point do you gain enough knowledge for your study to become “pure”? and if your study is “sick” or impure, then is it ever worth it to continue studying it until you gather enough information to make it “pure”? rule of thumb, if you can’t draw the line, the difference doesn’t exist.

and the thing you fear about psychiatry and psychology don’t have anything to do with whether the studies themselves are logical or not. you’re afraid of the nature of man and what he might do. horrid experiments, torture, and false imprisonments. these are “crimes” of human nature, not of a study.

as for the cancer and its resulting metaphors: if it were not natural it would not happen.

i don’t really understand your need or affinity for disdain and disgust. i see no benefits you can gain from it. to me, strong, uncontrolled emotions are easy tools to allow other people to use for manipulation. is your venting only a psychological need? (i.e. your post about being banned and urban rubes)

PureLogix wrote:
Logic is not simply a method of thought. Logic is systematic.

all thought is systematic, given the correct interpretation.

computers cannot create logic without humans inserting a system of logic into them. to computers we are their “First Cause”. we may set the cogs in motion, but steel, plastic, and electricity does not think. all computers are are crude replicas of man’s ability to follow logic.

just because an object is LOGICAL, it doesn’t mean it can use LOGIC. i.e. this is a rock. nothing has happened to change the situation. this is still a rock. logical? yes. did the rock use logic? no. logic can only come from man.

PureLogix wrote:
This eventually causes the machine to run out of space and crash because of the by-product of the action.

Now it is understood that the logic driving this action is sound and its effect within the greater context of the program is not harmful. The problem is that the effect of the program’s operation within the context of the machine causes the terminal effect of the entire system as a whole.

This little piece of sick logic caused it. A pure logic would function properly in functioning of the task, the program and the machine.

are you saying that the difference between “sick” and “pure” logic is in whether the function can be eternally continuous?

(man is only an animal of nature. everything he does and creates is natural. death and deformation is natural. cause and effect is also natural. so is evolution, tool-making and the adaptation of behavior and environment. i see no bizarre disturbance in cancer.)

it’s not fear. it’s practicality. i see no practicality in displaying those emotions, except maybe perhaps for self-satisfaction. if i were afraid of what people thought of me, i could probably think of some other personality expressions i would cut back on.

how can you say that the computer is doing logic? it cannot think.

monkey, man, to me there is very little difference.

so then the concept of “pure” and “sick” logic is based on the “assumption of sanctity”? is there a reasonable way to measure this?

if that’s where you’d like to end it, yes. ;)

It makes me sick that people actually conform to the degree that they do.

Yes, I am 16 and watch Spongebob, is that a problem, sheep?

I understand your attitude, but be careful, adopting a symbol of individuality is no different from conforming.

There’s not much we can do about the current position the world is in. The best I can say is with you’re attitude, it’s better to just look at the big picture: They aren’t the point. We are. The wolves, the ones who think. We can watch the masses walk their direction, and take pride in the fact that we walk a different way. Not because someone told us to, or because someone else is going that way, but because we chose to. What are we learning? How much wisdom have we gained? You’re thinking in such a way, so the next step is to look at the world with an air of indifference. Don’t hesitate to share your attitude, but don’t force it on anyone. Who knows, maybe you’ll open some poor sheep’s eyes.