Thought help: The fact that the anniversary of 9/11 was a few days ago got me thinking: What’s the point in terrorism, causing violence or hurting people? - Help.com

To make a statement.

I’ve got a better question, why does everybody bring things up for so long?? It’s like they want to be depressed. Look, we all know it was extremely tragic, and a lot of people died, which was terrible. But, come on. 7 years? When does it end?? Take my advice: Build a bridge and get over it.
I’m so sick of all these people depressing themselves again and again for so long. I know it sounds harsh, but still. Wow.

I know.
It mahes me angry that George Bush started a war over it.

good question but quite difficult to answer. people involved in terrorism, causing violence or hurting people lead different lives in comparison to mine, yours and anyone else’s. they see things differently. they have different values. different perspectives on life.

therefore, to simply answer your question would be horrendously difficult without considering other people’s views. personally, i think as we know too much, we would do too much, think too much and then everything is just…too much.

if that makes any sense! :)

cus certain scriptures are preached in certain parts of the world that tell its followers to take over the world…

whoops: ‘makes’

I like your point, anonymous.

well the only reason those terrorist acts happened in the first place was because america ****** up relationships with iran, iraq and afghanistan. america and i guess the uk also, pushed them into doing those acts.

so i guess you could take it as a form of revenge.

Oh, oops, I was ranting so much that I forgot to answer the question…
Terrorists (depending on the level in which they are) Are basically one(or more, I guess) of three things: A) They are religious, and promised something great in the afterlife for their deeds. (Usually the Kamikaze’s) B) They are offered a large sum of money. or C) They are just plain crazy, in which they make sense in their heads that what they are doing is actually right.

That’s a misconception.
The Qur’an does not actually tell its followers to engage in terrorist acts, just to defend themselves and their religion in whatever means neccessary.
So when the 9/11 hijackers proclaimed that their reason for bombing the WTC was so that the whole American civilisation would crumble, people automatically assumed that all Muslim people are violent, power-humgry and about to blow themselves up.
Which is not true.
I know Muslims who are the most peaceful people in the world. They don’t agree with those terrorists. They don’t hate Americans. And they don’t condone violence.
Another misconception is with the suicide bombers. It is said that these people have actually misinterpreted their own religious text, as the Qur’an does not condone suicide. They believe that by killing themselves for their God, they will be exalted after death.
But what sort of God would say that?
The world is so corrupt.
This is just one giant misconception which I fear will never be resolved.

But that’s just my view.

Oh, yeah, sorry. I wasn’t meaning to say anything about one religion or another, I was just saying that some people actually believe that their God wants them to do something like that, which is basically what you said, I guess. Sorry for the, uh, misconception.(Misinterpretation?)

Don’t forget that the terrorist group will choose someone who has lost everything and is more likely to be prepared to die.

What I do not think helps is hearing the leaders refer to the USA as the great Satan. Remember that they only hear the news that is censored in their country and if you hear that the USA has done all these bad things and do not put it into the context of the deaths that are caused by other countries, could influence you to do something stupid.

9/11 was just an excuse by the american government to stage a so called external terrorist attack when in fact all they wanted was an excuse to roll out draconian laws and loss of freedom and liberty for the people and to ransack iraq which had nothing to do with it and to rob the oil from the country and establish an american puppet government, to them, so what if a few hundred civilians were killed, they killed million more in the so called war on terrorism that ensued, i mean they are killing people through their medications and mass media manipulations and the food they have turned into poison for our bodies let alone the water which is now so full of foreign chemicals and god knows what they we dont even know if it is even water anymore… there is no such thing as terrorism, there are only people fighting for the right to keep their countries free from the filthy hands of america, they have the right to tell america to get the hell out and they do so, the brave souls, if america left them alone there would be no war, but if america leaves them alone then where will they have an excuse to run around the world acting like they are god

it is a well known fact that america’s foreign policies around the world have caused what they now call terrorism but which is in fact people trying to fight for their homes, their lives and their countries

bloody hell pom pom, well said!!!

i completely and utterly agree.

to hell with the american government.

I second that as well, although I didn’t want to say it. People can be very angry and judging here sometimes.

That’s okay, me as you know. No worries. I completely agree with you.
Dave, that’s a really good point. We have to think about the amount of lies and deception that goes into the news we hear.
Not all Americans or Muslims are bad.
Just like not all Germans are bad. But because of their history (i.e. Second World War) there’s a lot of hurt that should just be erased.
We could ask so many questions: why did the Germans persecute the Jews? Why did 9/11, the Bali and London bombings happen? What’s going to happen next?
I agree with you, PomPom. There did not need to be a war over this.

10 thumbs up!

Do you think the election will change any of this?

Anonymous wrote:
What’s going to happen next?

Apparently the end of the world, but that’s just more idiotic ways thought up by the higher ups to scare us into loyalty, or something…

i doubt it.

its already ingrained in the minds of people around the world.

Muslims will be forever condemned. just like the Germans.
its a dam shame.

Me as you know wrote:
I second that as well, although I didn’t want to say it. People can be very angry and judging here sometimes.

Yeah, we do have to be careful what we say.
But it’s true.
The American government has caused a lot of problems.

Me as you know wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What’s going to happen next?

Apparently the end of the world, but that’s just more idiotic ways thought up by the higher ups to scare us into loyalty, or something…

That’s so true.

we, the people need to speak out, we need to let the governments know that they are NOT god, they are elected by the people to represent them, not trample their rights and treat them like crap, this will only change when people begin to see the authorities and corporations for what they are… they are demons, stop buying so much, stop being a slave to the media, when you stop buying, they will stop producing, WE can make a difference, but we need to wake up first

PomPom wrote:
WE can make a difference, but we need to wake up first

i’m afraid not all will want to wake up. or will ever.

PomPom wrote:
we, the people need to speak out, we need to let the governments know that they are NOT god, they are elected by the people to represent them, not trample their rights and treat them like crap, this will only change when people begin to see the authorities and corporations for what they are… they are demons, stop buying so much, stop being a slave to the media, when you stop buying, they will stop producing, WE can make a difference, but we need to wake up first

Haha, you really think the people can make a difference? They don’t care, we are pawns in their game of chess.
Now, I’m not saying this part is true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if all the elections were just a show, to make us THINK that we can make a difference. To make us FEEL like we have the power to change something. But really, what can ‘we the people’ really do? They have the power, not us. And like Steve said, people revolt against the government, and get marked as terrorists. But, they aren’t terrorists, they are hero’s. At least trying to be… They don’t always know the right way to do it.

i have cut myself out of the loop, i refuse to be a slave to consumerism and the urge to fit in by having all the latest gadgets, i have cut out processed foods completely, i dont buy clothes unless i really HAVE to, you would be surprised how much we dont need to survive with, if more people did that, the corporations would get a very clear message.. people have and people will rise up, they are doing it all over the world, but they are being branded terrorists, everyone gets so up in arms about what happened on 9/11 but what about those innocent children that see their parents shot infront of their eyes? its not very nice when it happens in your own country, its too close to home, you can just shut your eyes and ignore all the pictures of suffering on the tv, to all of you that think people dont care, i know of LOTS of organisations that are speaking out, at the end of the day whether we win or not, we will be able to say we died trying

Again, nice words, PomPom!
It’s a giant brainwashing scam.

Supa Fly Steve wrote:
In a nut shell, the point of terrorism is to promote terror within a populous, ideally to promote revolution and to destabilize the government within a region.

Me as you know wrote:
Terrorists (depending on the level in which they are) Are basically one(or more, I guess) of three things: A) They are religious, and promised something great in the afterlife for their deeds. (Usually the Kamikaze’s) B) They are offered a large sum of money. or C) They are just plain crazy, in which they make sense in their heads that what they are doing is actually right.

You sir are mistaken. Terrorism can be about many things, not just religion or money. It can in fact be a very positive thing, with a prime example being the actions of Che Guevara and Fidel Castro in South America. They were rising up against dictators who were doing nothing but hurting their own people. The revolutionary groups in France, and Jewish militia groups during World War II were also technically terrorists too and yet their actions were nothing but positive. It simply comes down to perspective.Incidentally, Kamikaze pilots do not believe that a fantastic afterlife awaits on the basis that they have committed suicide. It is about honour, not virgins and all that stuff. You’re thinking of martyr Muslims.

Nice words.
Kamikaze pilots are sacrificed as a means of honour - they would rather die than surrender.

I wonder if anybody realizes Honor doesn’t have a ‘u’ in it…

can i just make a point here, you are promised virgins and rivers of milk and honey if you die defending your country or beliefs, you are not classed as a jihadist by killing innocent people, that is totally contrary to islamic laws… so technically you cant even call the terrorists muslim

honour is how we spell it, are you american lol

oh and btw i made lots of posts on this subject previously and you should subscribe to brasscheck tv and join freedom force or some other local groups if you are bothered about making a difference :D

Um, yeah, technically I am American. But, check the spell check or something. I know it doesn’t have a ‘u’ in it, unless you are trying to be French or German or something…

In Australia it does.
‘Honour’.

PomPom wrote:
can i just make a point here, you are promised virgins and rivers of milk and honey if you die defending your country or beliefs, you are not classed as a jihadist by killing innocent people, that is totally contrary to islamic laws… so technically you cant even call the terrorists muslim
honour is how we spell it, are you american lol

So you’re saying that the Muslims who do this are contradicting their own laws?

Me as you know wrote:
Um, yeah, technically I am American. But, check the spell check or something. I know it doesn’t have a ‘u’ in it, unless you are trying to be French or German or something…

Or Australian* Haha

Lol!
Don’t forget the Aussies!

people who kill innocent people are not muslims, full stop, war is war but just going and killing people is not islamic by any means, if you wanna know about go google wahabism, wahabism is a brand of extremist teachings that have warped and twisted islamic teaching, it was founded by a man so is not included as a sect in islam but its what osama and the taliban follow

Unless I have misunderstood, I believe that that was the first time I’ve ever been corrected, and/or told I am the one not speaking proper English. Haha.

honour is spelt like this in england lol, you should get out of america more LOL

Me as you know wrote:
Unless I have misunderstood, I believe that that was the first time I’ve ever been corrected, and/or told I am the one not speaking proper English. Haha.

its not just you LOL, but aherm, back to topic now

PomPom wrote:
honour is spelt like this in england lol, you should get out of america more LOL

Very good idea. In fact, I’ve been trying for a long time. But, because of age, I am legally trapped in this evil cage called America for at least a few more years.

Lol…getting sidetracked by language

This guy on Wikipedia says that:

‘The militant Islam of Osama bin Laden does not have its origins in the teachings of Ibn Abd al-Wahhab and is not representative of Wahhabi Islam as it is practiced in contemporary Saudi Arabia, yet for the media it has come to define Wahhabi Islam in the contemporary era. However “unrepresentative” bin Laden’s global jihad is of Islam in general and Wahhabi Islam in particular, its prominence in headline news has taken Wahhabi Islam across the spectrum from revival and reform to global jihad’.

Apparently Wahhabis believe that any non-Muslim ideas and practices should be condemmed and that non-Muslims should be hated for their religion.

What are your thoughts on this?

osama IS a wahabbi and so are the taliban, osama is part of the saudi royal family who propagate that teaching lol, carry on looking

Maybe I should just google Osama, that would be a better idea.

Found it!!!

Bin Laden believes that the restoration of Sharia law will set things right in the Muslim world, and that all other ideologies—”pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, democracy”—must be opposed. He believes Afghanistan under the rule of Mullah Omar’s Taliban was “the only Islamic country” in the Muslim world. Bin Laden has consistently dwelt on the need for jihad to right what he believes are injustices against Muslims perpetrated by the United States and sometimes by other non-Muslim states, the need to eliminate the state of Israel, and the necessity of forcing the US to withdraw from the Middle East. He has also called on Americans to “reject the immoral acts of fornication (and) homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury,” in an October 2002 letter.

Probably the most controversial part of Bin Laden’s ideology is that civilians, including women and children, can be killed in jihad. Bin Laden is anti-Jewish, and has delivered warnings against alleged Jewish conspiracies: “These Jews are masters of usury and leaders in treachery. They will leave you nothing, either in this world or the next.” Shia have been listed along with “Heretics, … America and Israel,” as the four principal “enemies of Islam” at ideology classes of bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda organization.

As a Wahhabi, bin Laden opposes music on religious grounds, and his attitude towards technology is mixed. He is interested in “earth-moving machinery and genetic engineering of plants”, on the one hand, but rejects “chilled water” on the other

i.e. he is a Wahhabi.
You were right, PomPom! :)

Some interesting points there, Crazy.

Hey, PomPom…are you Muslim?

Very good idea. In fact, I’ve been trying for a long time. But, because of age, I am legally trapped in this evil cage called America for at least a few more years.[/quote]

When you are old enough to leave America, where would you like to live? Is there a form of government that you admire? Would you be a leader or a follower in your chosen country? Many others are thinking the way that you do, but most have not thought out a plan for the future. I am sure from your writings that you do hate American and what it stands for, but what do you stand for?

*America

I stand for myself. I stand for insanity. And most of all, I stand alone.

I really would like to know where you would choose to live and what type of government would work. From your reply, it seems that you have not considered those questions. If change is to come, young people like you will have to make it happen. How would standing alone work? Could you really do that?
Long ago, I tried it, but I got hungry and cold and could not keep a roof over my head. Also, I found that I was rather fond of clean clothes, telephones, and a variety of other modern conveniences. I also found that the insane people I met were not going to leave me alone, which meant that I actually needed the police to protect me.
I got a bit off topic in telling you about myself, but I am very interested in your plan. If you are going to leave America for a better place, I would also like to know where you think would be better, more free, etc.

In this day and age, there is no such thing as free. If you are with people, you are enslaved.
I’ve spent time alone before, I don’t need all the modern day things, although that isn’t exactly what I was saying. I am a Transcendentalist. I have a family in South Africa, and I’d be able to work for them, I could work at the Hogle Zoo, but just not live with society. I’d be there to support myself, and I’d pay for property that is owned by my family, so it’d be like a summer house for them, and nobody would even know I existed.
Now, you must understand, in the situation of Love, I would stay here…

See? Proves I’ve been here too long. Not the Hogle Zoo, stupid me… That’s over here, in this stupid place.

You should have been around in the 1960s. In those days, we were all trying to “drop out” but we were so full of love that we ended up getting married, having children, and joining help.com. lol
Life can be very pretty darn good in America, even if you don’t agree with the current leadership. Plus, a new leader comes along once in a while that you trust to change the way America conducts foreign policy.
I know very little about the current government in South Africa. I hope that it is free of corruption and that all the people who live there are peaceful so that you will be safe and happy in your new home. Not so many years ago South Africa was a terrible place in which to live due to Apartheid. This is the South Africa that I remember: http://www.un.org/av/photo/subjects/a…
The reason that I am including the link is so that you can see how a government can and will change if the world demands it. We old folks are counting on your generation to help change America into a place that we can be proud to call home.

You really think I’m trusting the new government? Hah. Funny. It’s bad over there too. But there is more place to be alone. It’s easier to disappear. I don’t plan on being around people much, unless I can learn that they do have a heart outside of themselves. So far, basically everybody I’ve met has been self absorbed, selfish, and every other self-obsessed word there is. Nobody cares about anyone else. That’s why we live in a hell hole, and that’s why people are idiots. We fight and fight with each other for no reason, and can never have world peace because humans are incapable of living in peace. We have too much hate, too much anger. It’ll never happen. Not now, not a hundred million years from now. It doesn’t work.

If that is true, how do you account for all the helpers I have met on this website? I have learned that you have to judge each individual by how they behave. A country is made up of individuals. You seems like a good guy. I am a good person, too. I have children and grandchildren who are good in word and deed. For the most part, I am able to keep away from the bad guys. But, I get the message about you wanting to be left alone. If you do ever wish to have an online friend in America, please “shout” me and I will add you to my friends list. I do have to say though, I am generally upbeat and difficult to bring down. It is my choice to be nice to people I meet and to be supportive of those who see the good around them.

Not saying that I want to be left alone. That’s just how it always ends up with me.
And although the world would be better in peace, people disagree, throw a fist, and drop a bomb. The people that have power have short tempers and get into wars much faster. It always happens. People always argue.

Me as you know wrote:
I wonder if anybody realizes Honor doesn’t have a ‘u’ in it…

it does if you’re from the UK.

you’re not alone, even when you are crying all alone thinking there is no one out there and you are all on your own, somewhere in some corner of the planet, someone is doing the same, thinking the same and in that moment, you both are connected, not alone.. you just cant see it, we can make a difference to the world, we just have to learn to make the difference in our lives first

hey anon lol i cant shout you because you are anon.. but yeah if you look at my other posts, you dont need to ask if i am a muslim lol

are you muslim pompom?

well how else would they make their point?
discuss the matter over tea and donuts

thats true dani, the so called terrorists are pee’ed off in the first place and feel like there is no other way.. so thats why they resort to the kind of stuff they do and even though this may upset some people but only a couple of hundred people or whatever died on 9/11 and look at the fuss it causes every year but what about the millions that have died and been misplaced since in the so called war on terror? the point of 9/11 was apparently to strike in the heart of america to send home the message of what the american govmt is doing to other countries, but people seem to miss that point, maybe america should stop messing around in foreign countries and concentrate on educating rather than brainwashing their citizens

Oh, how quickly some forget their history lessons. I certainly wish that my father had not felt the call of duty that sent him across the sea to help save Europe from Hitler during WWII. He never fully recovered from the horrors of that war. He should have stayed home. Most of his friends died at Normandy. I won’t bore you with the stories he told me with tears in his eyes. Also, I will not bother you with the details of how I felt when my father would awaken with screems of terror in the middle of the night during my childhood. I agree, America should not spill anymore blood in foreign lands.
I will do everything in my power to keep my grandsons out of harms way. I don’t care what madman goes on a rampage and incinerates his own countymen. I don’t care if nobody stops the next Hitler from doing whatever he pleases. Let all of the weak and persecuted save themselves. That is the mother/grandmother in me talking. Maybe since you live closer to where the trouble seems to start, your sons can handle the next madman, themselves.
By the way, I never felt that way until I read your reply, PomPom.

all the men in the army are out there poorly equipped and come back injured and get neglected in the hospitals here. they come back with all sorts of mental illnesses and if they have to leave the army they get their houses taken away from them, so many stories of what is happening to the men that are sent to fight for their countries and shamlessly abandoned afterwards with not a crutch to stand on, and anyways, america is spilling blood in foreign lands not to free the people but to enslave them and to make sure they tow the line with regards to what america wants from them, namely their oil and resources, its not about freedom and liberating lands from opressors, i think america could have cared less what saddam was doing as they supported him untill it suited them, also they armed the taliban against russia, taught them advanced fighting techniques etc etc and their own dog turned on them and now they have a problem, maybe they should have thought of that before they financed a mercenary army

there are lots of issues here and one of them is that america doesn’t have the right to go destroy other countries on a whim, there was no excuse to go bomb iraq, but they did and now the american people are living the consequences of a war america cannot afford

and about the history lessons, can i just say that history is a point of view in most cases, we are fed what the historians want us to and views are tainted, its not a matter of forgetting them, but questioning if the view we are given is the truth

I wrote about facts of history that were personally experienced by my family, not fed to me by historians. However, I do believe that by reading historical accounts of world events written from a variety of perspectives, it is possible to learn the truth so that we do not repeat our mistakes. Now that I have read your reply, I understand that you know everything that you wish to know about history and have closed your mind to all further information. That said, I am interested in your opinions.
Do you believe that when terrorism stikes your country, as it has, that G.B. is getting its just dessert for its evil ways? Should G.B. pay for its history of taking control of much of the land that it “discovered” for hundreds of years? Should your children die as payment for those policies? How would you feel if the descendants of those who lived in those conquered places, for example, the Native Americans, decided to attack you and yours to avenge the exploitation of their resources?