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Phisics Question!

Why does it take the earth 24 hours and so many seconds to complete one full spin on the axis in June but only 23 59 minutes and 49 seconds in September?

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Deąth offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (4 minutes after post)

because in the summer, the earth is closer to the sun, in the winter, its further.

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Deąth offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (5 minutes after post)

Deąth wrote:
because in the summer, the earth is closer to the sun, in the winter, its further.

well..i think thats why :D

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Indianapolis, IN, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (5 minutes after post)

I did not even know there was a difference.

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Luck of the Irish offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 30 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (6 minutes after post)

Yeah, but it hasn’t got to do with the sun, it is how long it takes for the earth to orbit around itself! I am just wondering what the difference is!

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (7 minutes after post)

babacup wrote:
I did not even know there was a difference.

Nor did I until today, thanks for inviting users to my post!

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (7 minutes after post)

Because the Sun’s gravity slows the spin down? I dunno.

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Plox Nork wrote:
Because the Sun’s gravity slows the spin down? I dunno.

better then mine, that might be why i remember my teacher said it in science once

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Luck of the Irish offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 30 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (10 minutes after post)

Deąth wrote:

Deąth wrote:
because in the summer, the earth is closer to the sun, in the winter, its further.
well..i think thats why :D

Plox Nork wrote:
Because the Sun’s gravity slows the spin down? I dunno.

So taking Death’s input, about it being closer to sun in summer, and further away in winter, and coalating that input with yours, you are saying that the the closer the sun is the slower it becomes because the force of gravity on the sun, slows it down, OK, thank you, I will keep it open for other opinions!

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (14 minutes after post)

http://pages.prodigy.com/suna/earth.htm
Some thing about atomic clocks

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Burnaby, BC, CA | 1 year, 2 months ago (15 minutes after post)

the masters maybe are slowing the rotation speed on purpose.
they moved the earth 5% closer.

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Luck of the Irish offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 30 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (37 minutes after post)

smoogie. wrote:
http://pages.prodigy.com/suna/earth.htm
Some thing about atomic clocks

Thanks a million, that seems like it is that

spiratec9 wrote:
the masters maybe are slowing the rotation speed on purpose.
they moved the earth 5% closer.

That is interesting thanks for the info!

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (41 minutes after post)

Glad to of been of help.Xxx

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GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (1 hour, 2 minutes after post)

ok well as a physicist i have never come across this so it might be a myth. But however i can give a physical reason why it might occur. The fact that the earth is gradually slowing would not make as drastic as effect as the one stated i.e. more than 11 seconds in a 3 months time frame. However it could be explained by this

The earths axis has a slight wobble in it, now due to this wobble there would be a slight change in the angle with respect to the virtical. This would effect the angular velocity due to conservation of angular momentum. By how much i am unsure as i havent worked out the calculations. But the effect would happen over a shorter time frame than 100,000 years like that proposed by smoogie. Also it would come back to being faster again rather than continually slowing like that of the above idea. I am unsure of the time frame of these wobbles and their period so the difference might not be the same each year or even at the same times. actually reanalysing there is a seasonal effect that could come back at the same time each year.

water is fluid and the side closest to the sun has more water due to the suns pull this would change the orientation of the mass and so the angualr frequency between the moths… A smaller effect than the above one but works on the same principle. Or tho it has the fact that it is reproducable every year on the time frame in question.

So there you go hope this helps but this is two possible reasons why it might occur.

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GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (1 hour, 3 minutes after post)

just as i side note that alos aplies to magma plates and other fluid bodies not just water on the earth.

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Luton, I1, GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

The Earth is actually closer to the sun in the winter than the summer (I know it seems odd)

Maybe the Earth is kind of slung about? As in it speeds up during spring and autumn but is slower going around the elliptical in summer and winter, so at the solstices the Earth is spinning more slowly matched with it but at the equinoxes it is faster to match it

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i have no idea. it has to have something to do with the revolution of the earth around the sun i think..

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Gloversville, NY, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (4 hours, 33 minutes after post)

lol.. i have no idea… but my opinion on it is this…

the reason we have winter and summer is due to the fact that the earth tips causing the seasons to happen… right? so maybe… with your question… it only seems to take that long while the other part of the world takes a bit longer.. lol.. hahaha.. only my theory..

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Littleton, CO, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (15 hours, 8 minutes after post)

The answer is that those two numbers refer to different things, the smaller one is a measurement of rotation relative to the stars, and the bigger one relative to the sun. It would be easy to learn about by searching the web for “earth” or “earth’s rotation.”

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Gloversville, NY, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (19 hours, 19 minutes after post)

yeah i agree with michael… hehehehehehehe.. he seems very smart…

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 2 months ago (20 hours, 40 minutes after post)

lol, thank you for your input everybody!

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Littleton, CO, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (1 day, 12 hours after post)

Shie wrote:
yeah i agree with michael… hehehehehehehe.. he seems very smart…

now that’s kind of funny. I agree with me as saying something that is the factual answer to his question, but it looks to me like most of the other replies were just guesses. Was this whole post to try to trick me into thinking I know something?

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Michael Leibman wrote:

Shie wrote:
yeah i agree with michael… hehehehehehehe.. he seems very smart…

now that’s kind of funny. I agree with me as saying something that is the factual answer to his question, but it looks to me like most of the other replies were just guesses. Was this whole post to try to trick me into thinking I know something?

No this was a question raised in my Engineering Science class and the lecturer told us to find out for ourselves so I said I would ask the smartest people in the world, help.com!

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Littleton, CO, US | 1 year, 2 months ago (1 day, 12 hours after post)

so how’s college? Is this your first year at university?

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College is OK, books very dear, and yes it is my first year, for six books it costs about 600€

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