the whole world is in financial trouble and all over the western world, people are being chucked out of their houses, people cant pay rents anymore, no one has money to pay their bills etc etc etc, i am sitting on the sidelines watching with interest. None of this is really affecting me, why? because i have always lived in my means, whether my husband was earning 100 pounds a week or 500, i have made sure that the necesseties are paid for (utility bills etc) whether i have had to go hungry for a few days because i knew the bills would have to be paid no matter what, i balanced what was coming in with what was going out, i forbade my son from asking for expensive things or going with the materialistic crowd as well as staying out of it myself and not caring what other people were wearing or what big houses they were living in, am i bad for looking at all these people in trouble and thinking if they were also living within their means would they have not saved themselves a lot of trouble? what use are all the things they wasted their money on if at the end of it their house/flat is snatched away from them, why are people running after materialistic things which mean nothing at the end of the day, spending hundreds of pounds/dollars at christmas and then getting into debt or not having enough money to pay the bills at the end of it, why cant people learn to live below what they have coming in so they have something for a rainy day or year as the case may be, just something i wanted to say something about as it perplexes me…
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I agree, to a degree, but seeing as today the world doesnt really base financial structures on the state ownership gold and silver (it’s just another product/commodity) and it uses a credit system, it means that in order for the financial problems to be reduced, people need to spend more money in their economy for it to be fixed. I know that sounds like a quandry, but it’s sort of like “what goes aroudn comes around” spend money to make money, etc etc. Basically if you don’t spend money, then industries close, people are out of jobs, and the circle of finances stops abruptly which puts a lot of people in more danger than they are now. I’m not saying everyone should start going on a spending spree, but it doesnt help if we all stagnate the movement of money either.
Altho I do agree with living within your means, and I too make sure my bills and rent are first and foremost in the planning of my budget.
yeah but it was sub prime mortgaes that ware the problem and banks not people living beyond there means they were conned in to taking out mortgages they wouldnt be able to pay and the banks for wrapping iy up in a nice little package and selling it now there is no money none of them want to lend to each other its all the banks fault i myself am on the side lines but the way i look at it is shouldnt the companys that got themselfs in to this mess go bankrupt and then everyone will not be scrimping and saving
but it wont happen becasue its bug buisness and worth billions
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PomPom2# GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (12 minutes after post)
well when i took out my mortgage, the man tried to get me to take out an endowment but i knew that that meant i would pay all the interest first and i was like hell no and went for an ordinary repayment one, i know lots of people got stung by that too, also, how can you get conned into paying something? they have to write everything down for you, i still say even though the banks gave out these dodgy mortgages, still people took them out when they couldn’t afford them, at least they would have known how much the monthly repayment would be?
PomPom2# GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (15 minutes after post)
i know so many people, my cousin for example took a house for 170k and the mortgage payment is over 800 a month, so she is working her *** off to make sure its paid, why did she have to buy a big house? because its a status symbol and people scoff at you if you have a small house, how many more people are there out there like her? loads, i bet, so many people told me i should sell my house but i said hell no, if i was stupid i would have listened to them, my mortgage is only 156 a month which is peanuts, why would i take on more debt? its totally in my control, ok, so meanwhile i live in a small house.. so who cares? again, why are people so stupid and materialistic?
PomPom wrote: well when i took out my mortgage, the man tried to get me to take out an endowment but i knew that that meant i would pay all the interest first and i was like hell no and went for an ordinary repayment one, i know lots of people got stung by that too, also, how can you get conned into paying something? they have to write everything down for you, i still say even though the banks gave out these dodgy mortgages, still people took them out when they couldn’t afford them, at least they would have known how much the monthly repayment would be?
PomPom. we in the UK are feeling the strain because a lot of our banks invested heavily in the US property market, which suffered a huge downfall because in the US fewer people are able to purchase houses because a lot of their country’s money was being plowed into the military to support their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
People shouldn’t be materialistic, they do need to be aware of the greater things in life, like enjoying a sunset, or going for walks and sleeping under the stars, but our global economy is based on consumerism, and everything is cored around marketing. It’s more a case of dissatisfaction with our societal ways than financial problems.
It is called the DEVALUATION of the dollar. If you had a good education and not the one provided by the government controlled system(s) you would understand exactly what is happening. This is not an accident. It did not just happen, it is caused. The history books you are being taught omit some key facts about the Federal Reserve and the United States of America’s financial history.
I’ve not checked those links out, but if I remember correctly, the entire US economy is based on credit, and not a solid financial backing of gold, oil or precious jewels. Their banking system was set up before they found the natural resources which could then back their monetary system, but because that’s all privately owned, and their financial systems were already in place, it was too late to change the system.
Correct me if I’m wrong…
And devaluation is when they print more money than they have commodity to back it up.. is that right too..?! eg if you have 2 cows. each cow is worth £5. But if you print 3 £5 notes, then each cow is worth £7.50….so product price goes up as a result, and value of the actual money is lowered.
I think I’m all out of economic brain power now! I need chocolate!
PomPom2# GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (37 minutes after post)
its based on credit but the day we stop getting credit, the system will collapse, but then we can go back to growing stuff locally and getting what we need in life and having services provided by us that we need, we can all go back to eating cream cakes from bakeries locally who are not part of a global brand or even national at that, people will have to start learning the old skills again and we will be free
PomPom2# GB | 1 year, 2 months ago (37 minutes after post)
we could start printing our own money and starting to trade locally, i know none of this is likely to happen anytime soon, but this is because again, we let the current system carry on
PomPom wrote: its based on credit but the day we stop getting credit, the system will collapse, but then we can go back to growing stuff locally and getting what we need in life and having services provided by us that we need, we can all go back to eating cream cakes from bakeries locally who are not part of a global brand or even national at that, people will have to start learning the old skills again and we will be free
Very idealistic, and completely not possible with today’s global culture
PomPom wrote: we could start printing our own money and starting to trade locally, i know none of this is likely to happen anytime soon, but this is because again, we let the current system carry on
That “money” wouldnt be “worth” anything. Money replaces bartering, which is when people would just trade a skill or product in return for someone else’s skill or product. I.e I’ll give you a chicken if you fix my gate.
But yes, my dream world is one where everyone is self sufficient, they use community as a value, and money and war don’t rule the world, but kindness and love do. Unfortunately I don’t ever see that happening in my lifetime… or any other for that matter. Humans are still animals, far from evolved into intelligence as most of us believe. Whilst we still fight, kill, lie and demean others, we shall still be basic animals in my book
I agree, we do live beyond our means at times, but on the other hand Im presently spending $250 a week on food alone, thats without utilities , gas and such, thank goodness we have a decent wage coming in. How those people with a $400 doller a week income do it I really dont know, especially if they have a mortgage. The cost of living is going way up, and the wages don’t seem to be going up to meet inflation.
I think we got in this mess due to people that wanted that material thing like a home and did whatever it took to get in it even if they couldn’t afford it and then when it all adjusted they had no choice but to give it up they didn’t think long term just what they could get now. If we could resist the now and wait so many folks would be better off. I live in Southern California and have a $6000.00 per month mortgage if I couldn’t afford that to begin with I would have been crazy to get it just because I wanted it. The numbers had to make sense most folks don’t even look at it that way.
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