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I hope the unmovable object likes the meat!
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What really happens when an unstoppable force meats an Immovable object?
well… i see a few possibilities.
give the weak circumstances, here are the possibilities:
A: if we assume the object is human made, One object is destroyed, and the force propelling it is destroyed, or the force holding it still is destroyed (depends on the object)
B: the unstoppable object deflects off the unmovable one. it could also reflect off of it. we didnt say it only goes one direction.
C: the objects’ particles phase through each other under such pressure.
but, if we say it is 2 solid, unbreakable objects, one unmovable, the other on a path that must take it through the other object,
only one thing can happen.
we find out that one of them wasnt immovable or unstoppable as we thought.
so, anybody want to comment on my ramblings?
- A Raging Fire
dang it, i fixed that when i was posting it..
dont know why it didnt change.
- Fire
ok so I see 4 possible outcomes for when they meet
1. the unstoppable object moves over or around the unmovable object (for if it is truly unstoppable it would find a way around/through any obstacles)
2. they crash and form another object that is both unstoppable and unmovable
3. they oblitorate each other and all that is left is a mess of particles and matter
4. nothing happens
there is no such thing as either
Check on wikipedia. This paradox has been examined there.
I can repeat them verbatim, but that would be cheating. Personally, I think they would pass out of existence.
Hmmm… I like option C. Even if they were two solid objects… say two metals, it is still possible for them to fuse under the pressure generated by the unstoppable object. If every atom of the unstoppable object were… unstoppable then they would continue to realign themselves through the matrix of the atoms of the unmovable object. At some point the atoms of the unstoppable object would be realigned on the opposite side of the unmovable object at which time the unstoppable object would continue on.
Nothing happens!
An unstoppable force won’t stop, and an immovable object won’t move.
So you already gave the answer for an impossible scenario.
…because I take it that no part of the immovable object can move, not even particles (other than their “normal” movements).
What is described hereabove is not very far from the description of a current through a wire, except from that we are then talking about electrones.
in reality, there are not absolutes when it comes to force, at least that we know of.
to say that 2 absolute forces contradict each other, presents an illogical argument.
but, i was just wondering what would happen if it could happen in reality, not saying that either currently can, but its not unthinkable.
i think that theres one more possibility. such a collision, with both assumptions holding true,
might result in one object changing realities/dimensions. or even the creation of a black hole…
anyways. it cant be determined unless both did exist and we could test it out.
- Fire
This calls for experimentation!
Okay, we need to find an example of an unstoppable force and an example of an immovable force.
My suggestions…
Unstoppable: Energy
Immovable: Sorry, can’t think of one.
In fact… I think that this might highlight a large enough problem that for me at least the debate is resolved.
As to an immovable force, I can’t imaging that there is one. According to Einsteins Relativity theories space-time is a unified fabric. Thus when something is advancing in time, it is actually physically moving through the dimension of time. The only instance when an object is not moving through time is when it is travelling at light-speed. Thus, everything is always moving.
As for an unstoppable force, I think energy fits the bill. According to the best of human knowledge, energy is never created or destroyed. It exists perpetually. Certainly it can be transferred between objects/substances or diffused into a larger substance or even converted into matter but it can never be stopped. It is always in motion through space or through time… and it is eternal :)
I like your ramblings. My simple answer would be “infinite heat”, but going a little deeper….
“A: if we assume the object is human made, One object is destroyed, and the force propelling it is destroyed, or the force holding it still is destroyed (depends on the object)”
Nope, because destroying the force would stop it, which violates the givens.
“B: the unstoppable object deflects off the unmovable one. it could also reflect off of it. we didn’t say it only goes one direction.”
Your givens include an unstoppable force, not an unstoppable object. Otherwise, I see it as plausible. Like a rock in a raging river, the rock doesn’t move, and the river isn’t stopped.
C: the objects’ particles phase through each other under such pressure.
Again, your givens include an unstoppable force, not an unstoppable object. If you had your object as a 100% transparent piece like glass, and your force being photons, then the answer would be “the force would pass on through”.
I really like your last solution to the paradox.
“we find out that one of them wasn’t immovable or unstoppable as we thought.”
I thinks that’s what actually happens in real life, we loose our absolutes, and we got to be able to laugh about that.
very true. the first one cannot be a solution at all.
c seems like the only way to solve it without breaking any of the givens.
- Fire
they are mutually exclusive concepts. they cannot coexist in the same universe.
just as a side note the two can be the same. if something cannot be stopped that does not necessarily mean that it is actually moving, it just means that it has to be moving to be stopped and since it cannot be done with as such then it is either truly an unstoppable force or it is not in motion at all since you cannot stop something that is not moving in the first place.
I suppose you could relate this to the fact that good and evil cannot be equals
Sir Cody †wrote:
they are mutually exclusive concepts. they cannot coexist in the same universe.
They seem that way, that’s what makes it a fun puzzle. Why didn’t you accept the solutions presented in B and C?
Questions like this shed light on how far you can stretch the meanings of words before other go “nahhh”
Eg. If you had an immovable planet type thing that exerted a gravitation field, and an unstoppable object who’s path was altered slightly as it swung past, would you consider this to meet the criteria in the given sentence? Was it enough of a “meet”, does it violate the “unstoppable”?
I agree with a_bandoned - neither of them exist. However if they do both exist then the unstoppable force cannot reflect off the immovable object in the exactly opposite direction as it hit the immovable object because a complete reversal in direction requires an absence of movement.
There is an example of this known as when a fly hits a train head-on. In order for the fly to change its direction to the opposite it must have no movement at some point, but since it’s in contact with the train then the train must stop as well! What actually happens is that the fly and every molecule in line with it along the train stops for a fraction of a second so small that we can’t imagine it and then catches up with the rest of the train again.
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mopkop wrote:
However if they do both exist then the unstoppable force cannot reflect off the immovable object in the exactly opposite direction as it hit the immovable object because a complete reversal in direction requires an absence of movement.
If your force was the kinetic energy of an infinitely rigid moving object, then yep.
mopkop wrote:
What actually happens is that the fly and every molecule in line with it along the train stops for a fraction of a second so small that we can’t imagine it and then catches up with the rest of the train again.
Say again?
I know the one about a ball thrown exactly straight up is stationary for an infinitely short time before it comes down, but didn’t follow what you said there.
answer: “the force continues and the object remains unmoved”
headframe wrote:
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…..Bruce Campbell is born
Answer: ” ash says groovy “
Answer: ” the laws are broken universe ceases to exits “
Answer : ” I don’t know”
Fire wrote:
What really happens when an unstoppable force meets an Immovable object?
- Fire
I wonder… Who is to say they won’t go through each other?
Sir Cody †wrote:
Fire wrote:
What really happens when an unstoppable force meets an Immovable object?
- Fire
I wonder… Who is to say they won’t go through each other?
that was C) and talked about above.
I need to pay attention more. Thanks for the heads up.
Cool, I wasn’t disagreeing. THe poster discounted the idea, but I think it could work
well, the particles cant move within both solid objects because one of them is unmovable… one objects particles could move and go around the other, but the immovable one could not…
as for the fly thing…. i dont get that…
but its possible we would see them go through each other at a level where the particles dont even have to move…. the particles could not even interact with each other, but i would assume that we wouldnt really care about the question if that was the case…
needs more specifics in this question. . . dont i.
- Fire
when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object, it will be Decmber 21, 2012.
and the world will end instantaneously.
so nobody will ever know what happens.
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If you discount all the clever ways that avoid the paradox and go with the simplistic, then I really think what would happen would be… insanity.
Think about it…
LOL
Saru mo ki kara ochiru = Anyone can make a mistake
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what happens… the same thing as always. they are the same thing, as in one thing. unstoppable is immovable. the question should be the irresistible meets the immovable. and the anwser to that is in tears of chuck noris. bong
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