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So let me just clarify, the bible wasn’t changed? Well if that is what you are saying I agree whole heartedly with you, the bible was created for a reason and not to be manipulated and that is why no true believer would manipulate the bible.

I’ll ne praying for you, Nate! (Not sure I have any real good answers at the moment!)

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Its not the text thats needed to be grasped - its the love and the belief. The bible is more symbolic rather than literal.

The Bible is a collection of books written over several hundred (possibly even several thousand depending on how much of it you believe) years, by many different authors. It was collected together and pronounced cannon at the counsil of Nicaea in the fourth century AD - the same time many of the cornerstones of Christian faith and practice (many still in use today in some form) were decided upon. Many books were rejected from the final draft of the Bible (they are called the ‘apocrypha’) but remain included in some versions of the Bible today - new apocrypha are still being discovered many gospels among them. The books which are included have been discovered in many different versions (gradualy embellished or abridged over time) and in a few different languages. In it’s English version it is of course a translation - English does not translate easily from Coptic, Aramaic, Hebrew or NT Greek so there is a lot of varience in some translations. No copy of any gospel has been discovered which has been verified as old enough to be written by it’s claimed authors. So if Matt, Mark, Luke or John ever did write a Gospel, for example, we haven’t found their version.
So basicaly we have a handful of books of uncertain provenance out of many available. All books have several different versions extant from various different periods. They are translated into a highly dissimilar language loosing much meaning through this and then read out of context - bearing in mind that however long a period they were written over the last one was finished at least 1800 years ago in a different society. I would suggest that to be the reason it makes little sence when read in detail. Mind you even the ‘overview’ doesn’t make sence to me ;)

N|Na|Nat|Nate|ate|te wrote:

Luck of the Irish wrote:
So let me just clarify, the bible wasn’t changed? Well if that is what you are saying I agree whole heartedly with you, the bible was created for a reason and not to be manipulated and that is why no true believer would manipulate the bible.

the bible was created for a reason, but lets be honest, not every person responsible for making it what it is today were true believers. i wouldnt say the bible was “changed” so much as it was portrayed the way it was for manipulative reasons.
bits are also left out

Have you ever heard of the “Dead sea scrolls”? They are the oldest known manuscripts of the Bible and amazingly parallel to what we have in English.

Dave #1 wrote:

N|Na|Nat|Nate|ate|te wrote:

Luck of the Irish wrote:
So let me just clarify, the bible wasn’t changed? Well if that is what you are saying I agree whole heartedly with you, the bible was created for a reason and not to be manipulated and that is why no true believer would manipulate the bible.

the bible was created for a reason, but lets be honest, not every person responsible for making it what it is today were true believers. i wouldnt say the bible was “changed” so much as it was portrayed the way it was for manipulative reasons.
bits are also left out

Have you ever heard of the “Dead sea scrolls”? They are the oldest known manuscripts of the Bible and amazingly parallel to what we have in English.

Yep, along with the gospels that “didn’t” make it into the book. Mary Magdeline for example.

so many lives have been changed because of the Living Word of God…….that’s why it is not empty. If the Bible is not true…it should have ended many years ago….on the converse….it is speading like wild fire……………think!

Ell♥ wrote:
Yep, along with the gospels that “didn’t” make it into the book. Mary Magdeline for example.

Not true. If you research that, the Gospel you refer to cannot be verified as authentic. The only manuscripts found are too recent to be authentic.

seah1 wrote:
so many lives have been changed because of the Living Word of God…….that’s why it is not empty. If the Bible is not true…it should have ended many years ago….on the converse….it is speading like wild fire……………think!

Excellent, seah1!

Dave #1 wrote:

Ell♥ wrote:
Yep, along with the gospels that “didn’t” make it into the book. Mary Magdeline for example.

Not true. If you research that, the Gospel you refer to cannot be verified as authentic. The only manuscripts found are too recent to be authentic.

Nor can most of the books from the bible. Its all non authenticated.

The remaining books often cross refrence each other though written hundreds of years apart. They are quoted in other books showing that they were considered authentic way back then. Some such as the gospel you mentioned are detatched in that they teach things different from what the rest of the Book teaches.

Its all very diverse, hence the different accounts from differnt people. You can read events from different points of view and see how different it is. Its all as questionable as each of the others.

seah1 wrote:
so many lives have been changed because of the Living Word of God…….that’s why it is not empty. If the Bible is not true…it should have ended many years ago….on the converse….it is speading like wild fire……………think!

In Britain Christianity, far from spreading, is acctualy in decline. The age of the Bible is no guarentuee of it’s truth either, there are many religions (some of which are spreading) of comparable or greater provenance out there. As for the large number of followers, have you ever heard the phrase ‘50,000,000 smokers can’t be wrong’?
Please noone take that as an attack on Christianity (we all get a bit sensitive about religion) just a disagreement over logic.

N|Na|Nat|Nate|ate|te wrote:
Jesus says “i will come like a thief in the night” can any christian tell me what this means?

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief.
Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come like a thief!
I always took it to mean that the Kingdom of God will come suddenly, unexpected and unlooked for. I’m no Biblical scholar though just an interested amateur so I’m open to correction.

It is not true that the veracity of the Bible can only be answere till afterlife. There have been artififacts recovered proving the existence of incidents mentioned in the Bible. The very fact that the Bible is being widely spread to the ends of the earth is the genuine manifestation of the authenticity of the claims of our Lord Jesus Christ being the Saviour of mankind.

So you believe the bible was manipulated OK, fair enough, I think everyone can accept that especially since they change the words of the bible every so often, as they think the bible now means this!

seah1 wrote:
It is not true that the veracity of the Bible can only be answere till afterlife. There have been artififacts recovered proving the existence of incidents mentioned in the Bible. The very fact that the Bible is being widely spread to the ends of the earth is the genuine manifestation of the authenticity of the claims of our Lord Jesus Christ being the Saviour of mankind.

And what say you of the Koran, and other religions that are spreading just as quickly? As though there is no proof to those…it is as viable as that of Christian, and in most cases of more recent history. What of that?

Religion is a joke. The only thing people have in common that follow the same religion is fear. Every member of all religions are so terrified. You fear everything different. You fear damnation. You’re probably scared of this, scared to listen to someone because they may shake your faith.

Beliefs cause the mind to stop working Nate. I’m not an atheist, in fact I believe Christ was the Son of God, but organized religion I’m less and less for every day.