Love help: Just to tell you all that I believe there are two types of Christians. - Help.com

There’s more than two types of Christians :) And every practicing Christian believes that they are a “true Christian” and that they are following God’s word to the letter.

One of the core beliefs of Christianity is that nonbelievers will suffer eternal torment in the fiery pit of doom known as hell. Doesn’t sound like love to me. I wouldn’t give that punishment to anyone. (Many can talk the talk about love and forgiveness, but I can walk the walk.) I agree that there are two types of Christians. Those who are honest and open about their hate, and those who try to be more diplomatic and secretive about it. I’m not going to give my respect or trust to either. As long as you hold dear a belief which claims supernatural threats to others, you cannot truly love others.

Besides, there are about 38000 Christian denominations. A lot of types with their own beliefs about what Christianity is and how it should be practiced. I wonder how each group would feel about your claim? I’ve heard it said that if Christians who were said to not be true Christians were excluded from Christianity, there would be no Christians.

Verum Causa wrote:
One of the core beliefs of Christianity is that nonbelievers will suffer eternal torment in the fiery pit of doom known as hell. Doesn’t sound like love to me. I wouldn’t give that punishment to anyone. (Many can talk the talk about love and forgiveness, but I can walk the walk.) I agree that there are two types of Christians. Those who are honest and open about their hate, and those who try to be more diplomatic and secretive about it. I’m not going to give my respect or trust to either. As long as you hold dear a belief which claims supernatural threats to others, you cannot truly love others.

i hate to tell you but most religions have core beliefs that if you dont follow there ways, you go to hell. you make it seem like just Christianity does this.

Your not god and god doesn’t work off your views. His laws are his way and no one elses. If you dont like those, take them up with him.

According to your ideal of truly loving others, about 80 percent of the world cannot love. seems alittle over the top to me.

you oviously don’t know much about Christian beliefs, the statement you made is proof of that. hope you have a good day though!

PRAISE JESUS

in my view you dont have to be a christian to belive in god…

Thanks, Maria! I believe you are on track. To God, right and wrong is black and white. This world would be a better place if more people saw things God’s way. Either you are a true Christian or you are not.

I don’t believe that it is in my place to judge who is who, though. I leave that in God’s hands and ask Him to help me be what I should be.

i don’t think the world would be a better place if everyone saw things god way, i think it would be baaaaaad like can’t do anything like make out with my gay lover or have an abortion or get pregnant without marrying bad

Dani, I don’t want to argue with you and I may not reply after this one but stop and think. A very high percentage of delinquent youth come from broken homes and single parents. Why is that? Would this world not be better if every child was given an honest opportunity to grow up in a solid home with a dad and a mom who LOVED each other?

Lacyhorse200 I’m a believer also and agree that love, not a love that we can muster but a love that comes from God’s Holy Spirit is the standard by which we should all live. However we are still human and still will have difficulty in that love and sometimes may not echibit that(we are a work in progress) but that doesn’t mena we are not Christians. I think your statements are true but somewhat misleading we are all trying to allow the Holy Spirit to change us but we get in the way and still have to deal with life. I’ve seen believers loose their temper or say or do something that looks not so Christian but that doesn’t mean they are not. Outsiders have this perception that we sould be perfect and loving but thats no the case we are human still dealing with our emotions. God is working on us individually we are all in a different place. I know some on fire Christians who are challeneged by love. Try not to make yourself appear better then someone else that can have a negative affect especially to the outsider.

in general i believe there are two types of chritians
first i call them christians by birth hence the name , they are christian just because the parents are christians and have no idea what christianity is all about but they argue as if they know :D funny as hell :D

others are the real christian who seek the truth and walk with there words

It’s very easy to latch onto various parts of the Bible and decide that you suddenly know what a true Christian is. Lets face it though the Bible’s a very big book with pretty much everything in it that you could possibly want. ‘True’ Christians vary over time and location, four hundred years ago Christianity was a war between Satan and God. Agents of the Devil known as witches stalked the earth and ‘true’ Christians dedicated their lives to finding, torturing & murdering them. Nowadays we don’t have the vengeful, angry God we have the direct opposite a cuddly, friendly God (although we still have the vengeful God in some african countries and a few far right fundementalist Western churches.) Christianity has been through thousands of incarnations and new ones are forming every day and guess what: ALL of these groups can back up their views very soundly with scripture - no surprise there since there is so much of it.
I’m amazed at the arrogance of those who would set themselves apart from others, it’s even in your Bible that your God considers us all to be equally sinful. If you truly believe you are saved - and saved by the grace of your God not by your own actions how can you possibly feel contempt for those not so lucky? How do you have the insolence to decide for yourelf that their relationship with their deity is not good enough for you? By all means worship your God in your own way but let others do the same unjudged.
When I was a bit younger I used to admire Christianity, now just a few years later having seen a lot of it I’m proud not to have anything to do with it.

Braad wrote:
i hate to tell you but most religions have core beliefs that if you dont follow there ways, you go to hell.

You say it as if it is something to be proud of.

Braad wrote:
you make it seem like just Christianity does this.

Read what I said again, with emphasis added.

Verum Causa wrote:
ONE of the core beliefs of CHRISTIANITY is that nonbelievers will suffer eternal torment in the fiery pit of doom known as hell.

No where in that sentence does it say that no other religions hold that belief.

Braad wrote:
Your not god and god doesn’t work off your views. His laws are his way and no one elses. If you dont like those, take them up with him.

I might just have a few choice words for you and your vicious inhumane dictator.

Braad wrote:
According to your ideal of truly loving others, about 80 percent of the world cannot love.

The way you and others are behaving that might just be true. Of course, you are oversimplifying the issue to favor your side. There are many aspects of love. Religion fails most of them.

Braad wrote:
seems alittle over the top to me.

You seem a little over the top to me.

Braad wrote:
you oviously don’t know much about Christian beliefs, the statement you made is proof of that. hope you have a good day though!

You’re just angry that I exposed your beliefs for the vile thoughts they are. My day has been nice. Thank you.

lacyhorse200 wrote:
When a child keeps doing something really bad (i.e. like hurting someone), is it more loving to let the child keep get away with it or to discipline (justices) the child so that both parties have a better life? Love is also about justices which is not up to the Christian to decide who will go to hell or heaven only GOD has the right to do that. The loving thing to do is just ask people which kind of person you think you are and are you worth of some place better? But it is not for anyone to decide!!!!

It’s better to set an example. With the state of affairs in the world being the way they are, I think it is fairly obvious that if there is a god he hasn’t done a good job of teaching his children to fix things.

Hell is infinite punishment for finite crimes. That’s insane. It’s like chopping someone’s hand off when they curtly jerk something out of your hands. The crime doesn’t merit the punishment. It’s so obvious to anyone who thinks logically, critically, and rationally.

Dave #1 wrote:
Dani, I don’t want to argue with you and I may not reply after this one but stop and think. A very high percentage of delinquent youth come from broken homes and single parents. Why is that? Would this world not be better if every child was given an honest opportunity to grow up in a solid home with a dad and a mom who LOVED each other?

Why is it that Christians have the highest divorce rate among couples? Fix your own home before you tell us how to run ours. It’s that simple.

Verum Causa AND some of the Christians here are wrong about one thing. God does NOT send us to hell and hell is NOT eternal.

How do you know?

God does not send people to hell because that is what Satan does. Hell is Satan’s place. God created hell for Satan and the demons and only for them. But then there were non-believers. God can do anything… If they are believers. If you are not a believer, all God can do is send you signs. Otherwise, Satan has his grasp on you.

Hell is not eternal because of the end of the world. When the new earth is laid down, Satan will have been defeated and the prisoners of hell will have been freed.

I don’t see any knowledge in that.

What do you mean knowledge??

Knowledge - understanding of something obtained from experience or observation.

I know what knowledge means. I have plenty of knowledge. I am a very smart girl.

Verum Causa wrote:

Dave #1 wrote:
Dani, I don’t want to argue with you and I may not reply after this one but stop and think. A very high percentage of delinquent youth come from broken homes and single parents. Why is that? Would this world not be better if every child was given an honest opportunity to grow up in a solid home with a dad and a mom who LOVED each other?

Why is it that Christians have the highest divorce rate among couples? Fix your own home before you tell us how to run ours. It’s that simple.

Verum, I say this with shame but I must agree that many “Christians” divorce. However, that is not Christ’s Teaching. I am a part of a group that has well over 4,000 members and there is not one divorce case among us. I also know of another group that is bigger and also has no divorce cases (we often fellowship with this group, just to show you not all groups of Christians are opposed to each other.) Our Groups do not believe that divorce is right according to the teachings of Christ.

amhp wrote:
God does not send people to hell because that is what Satan does. Hell is Satan’s place. God created hell for Satan and the demons and only for them. But then there were non-believers. God can do anything… If they are believers. If you are not a believer, all God can do is send you signs. Otherwise, Satan has his grasp on you.

Hell is not eternal because of the end of the world. When the new earth is laid down, Satan will have been defeated and the prisoners of hell will have been freed.

Remember when you say this stuff know where it appears in scripture as well not just say it. It is primarily a reference to Matthew 25:41.

Dave #1 wrote:

Verum Causa wrote:

Dave #1 wrote:
Dani, I don’t want to argue with you and I may not reply after this one but stop and think. A very high percentage of delinquent youth come from broken homes and single parents. Why is that? Would this world not be better if every child was given an honest opportunity to grow up in a solid home with a dad and a mom who LOVED each other?

Why is it that Christians have the highest divorce rate among couples? Fix your own home before you tell us how to run ours. It’s that simple.

Verum, I say this with shame but I must agree that many “Christians” divorce. However, that is not Christ’s Teaching. I am a part of a group that has well over 4,000 members and there is not one divorce case among us. I also know of another group that is bigger and also has no divorce cases (we often fellowship with this group, just to show you not all groups of Christians are opposed to each other.) Our Groups do not believe that divorce is right according to the teachings of Christ.

The problem with Christianity today is that folks try to project themselves better then the outside we not any better. We are forgiven and receive God’s grace but we deal with the same issues and problems. We are messed up big times thats why we need a savior. Believers need to stop talking out of one side and doing something else on the other or just man up and admit their faults and weaknesses. We tend to talk down to folks not at them.

Dave #1 wrote:

Verum Causa wrote:

Dave #1 wrote:
Dani, I don’t want to argue with you and I may not reply after this one but stop and think. A very high percentage of delinquent youth come from broken homes and single parents. Why is that? Would this world not be better if every child was given an honest opportunity to grow up in a solid home with a dad and a mom who LOVED each other?

Why is it that Christians have the highest divorce rate among couples? Fix your own home before you tell us how to run ours. It’s that simple.

Verum, I say this with shame but I must agree that many “Christians” divorce. However, that is not Christ’s Teaching. I am a part of a group that has well over 4,000 members and there is not one divorce case among us. I also know of another group that is bigger and also has no divorce cases (we often fellowship with this group, just to show you not all groups of Christians are opposed to each other.) Our Groups do not believe that divorce is right according to the teachings of Christ.

Please don’t think I’m passing judgement on divorced folks. I leave that between them and God. “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

wow this post’s really heating up!

It is?

That’s another problem with religion. It steals the credit of accountability.

HTF I agree that a lot of Christians tend to talk down to people, but thankfully not all of them do. Unfortunately it’s always easier to notice objectionable behaviour since it stands out, so many of the more reasonable Christians get sidelined in people’s minds to make way for memories of being shouted at about hellfire and brimstone.
AMPH the Bible seems fairly specific about hell being everlasting, also as far as I can tell in the Biblical story hell was created by God for Satan (as in somewhere to put him as punishment) and although people like myself (non-Christians) are being decieved by Satan currently, we will be judged by God and sent to Hell by him. I know you can get pretty much anything out of the Bible if you retranslate and twist the words enough but could you check out the following verses and give me your feedback and come up with some verses of your own to back up your point.
regarding the eternity of Hell:
Matthew 18:8, 25:41, 3:12
Jude 7
Daniel 12:2
Revelation 20:10
Mark 9:48
regarding God sending people to Hell:
Matthew 3:10-12
Matthew 13:41-42
& regarding Satan & Hell:
Isaiah 14:12-16

Of course if you’re not getting it from the Bible you’re still welcome to believe it as far as I’m concerned but it would be nice if you could explain why.

one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Man_with_a_mop wrote:
HTF I agree that a lot of Christians tend to talk down to people, but thankfully not all of them do. Unfortunately it’s always easier to notice objectionable behaviour since it stands out, so many of the more reasonable Christians get sidelined in people’s minds to make way for memories of being shouted at about hellfire and brimstone.
AMPH the Bible seems fairly specific about hell being everlasting, also as far as I can tell in the Biblical story hell was created by God for Satan (as in somewhere to put him as punishment) and although people like myself (non-Christians) are being decieved by Satan currently, we will be judged by God and sent to Hell by him. I know you can get pretty much anything out of the Bible if you retranslate and twist the words enough but could you check out the following verses and give me your feedback and come up with some verses of your own to back up your point.
regarding the eternity of Hell:
Matthew 18:8, 25:41, 3:12
Jude 7
Daniel 12:2
Revelation 20:10
Mark 9:48
regarding God sending people to Hell:
Matthew 3:10-12
Matthew 13:41-42
& regarding Satan & Hell:
Isaiah 14:12-16

Of course if you’re not getting it from the Bible you’re still welcome to believe it as far as I’m concerned but it would be nice if you could explain why.

Adam nice work! I want to suggest a great book to read that I just got which has been a eye opener. Its called unChistian “What a new generation really thinks about Christianity and why it matters” by David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons. It reaaly speaks on todays culture and the generation 16-29 its very relavent and based on a 3 year research project involvs outsiders and their views of believers. As far as I ca tell there is large number of millenials and older as well as very large group of outsiders so get the book it will help with more effective communication to these groups.

AdamMartinEdwardson wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.

The main point of this post was to attempt to establish how many types of Christians there are. I think that the original poster has pretty much been established wrong in her assertion that there are 2 types of Christians for the following reasons:

1) Every Christian believes they are a true Christian, and believes that all other Christians have strayed from the perfect way.

2) There are over 38,000 Christian denominations.

3) Christians disagree with the parts of the Bible they so choose to.

I would think that in order to make the assertion that there are 2 types of Christians, there would have to be two types of Christians. There aren’t. There are individual little groups that all claim to be a type of Christian.

amhp wrote:

AdamMartinEdwardson wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.

True God did create satan who’s name was Lucifer and was the most beatiful angel in heaven actually an archangel but he rebelled aainst God and was cast out of heaven along with a large contingent of the angelic host Isaiah 14:12-14 is a reference to this. btw Lucifer
in Hebrew means helel which translated is “brightness”

lumpy wrote:

amhp wrote:

AdamMartinEdwardson wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.

True God did create satan who’s name was Lucifer and was the most beatiful angel in heaven actually an archangel but he rebelled aainst God and was cast out of heaven along with a large contingent of the angelic host Isaiah 14:12-14 is a reference to this. btw Lucifer
in Hebrew means helel which translated is “brightness”

Um, isn’t that what I just said?

Here’s another delineation.

Type A. Lovely loving people doing the best they can while following a very narrow subset of the bible/etc that fits with modern morality and their lifestyle.

Type B. The christians/etc as described through their holy book, carefully read by scared outsiders.

Type C. Those who try to combine the two.

I feel comfortable around those that follow the “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” or the simpler “love ya neighbors”, or my favorite from bill and teds excellent adventure “be excellent to each other”

Oh and here’s a grouping of religious/philosophy teachers.

Type A) Ones that don’t accept money. Jesus, Buddha, Plato etc

Type B) Ones that do.

amhp wrote:

lumpy wrote:

amhp wrote:

AdamMartinEdwardson wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.

True God did create satan who’s name was Lucifer and was the most beatiful angel in heaven actually an archangel but he rebelled aainst God and was cast out of heaven along with a large contingent of the angelic host Isaiah 14:12-14 is a reference to this. btw Lucifer
in Hebrew means helel which translated is “brightness”

Um, isn’t that what I just said?

No you didn’t say you asked. If you look at your first reply above you placed a question mark at the end which appeared that you were seeking some type answer to the question. I provided an answer to you which I hope was helpful.

lumpy wrote:

amhp wrote:

lumpy wrote:

amhp wrote:

AdamMartinEdwardson wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.

True God did create satan who’s name was Lucifer and was the most beatiful angel in heaven actually an archangel but he rebelled aainst God and was cast out of heaven along with a large contingent of the angelic host Isaiah 14:12-14 is a reference to this. btw Lucifer
in Hebrew means helel which translated is “brightness”

Um, isn’t that what I just said?

No you didn’t say you asked. If you look at your first reply above you placed a question mark at the end which appeared that you were seeking some type answer to the question. I provided an answer to you which I hope was helpful.

There is no question mark. This is what I said: “Yes, but he wasn’t Satan, he was Lucifer and he was good at first, but then he betrayed God.” Where’s the question mark? Seems to me I said a statement.

one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Here are the question marks for sentences and yes your directed it as a question which implied clarification of which I provided to you.

lumpy wrote:
one question, if God created everything then that means he created satan? unless satan was there at the begining aswell???

Here are the question marks for sentences and yes your directed it as a question which implied clarification of which I provided to you.

…………..Hello????? That was AdamMartinEdwards! I’m amhp.

oh wow sorry about that sometimes I don’t wear my reading glasses when I’m on the PC

lumpy wrote:
oh wow sorry about that sometimes I don’t wear my reading glasses when I’m on the PC

It’s okay.