My God, Republicans can’t find a REAL platform to stand on so all they can do is make up dirt to fling around hoping some of it will stick to somebody.
Unfortunately all that gets dirty is the throwers hands.
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southern_comfort wrote:
My God, Republicans can’t find a REAL platform to stand on so all they can do is make up dirt to fling around hoping some of it will stick to somebody.
Unfortunately all that gets dirty is the throwers hands.
The Truth is important southern_comfort, at least where I come from:)
southern_comfort wrote:
If you want to see a the PUBLIC copy of Barack’s Certificate of Live Birth click here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn…
I’ve have reviewed Obama’s birth certificate and in my professional opinion:) The birth certificate is questionable. The lawsuit should be settled before he is put into office by an election.
Wow, this is heavy duty stuff!
The number has been blacked out for sure…wonder what the State Department of Health Office of Health, Status Monitoring, and Vital Records Section has to say about why the number is missing?…I’m sure someone is looking into this matter as we speak or should say, write!
SoulRising wrote:
southern_comfort wrote:
If you want to see a the PUBLIC copy of Barack’s Certificate of Live Birth click here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn…
I’ve have reviewed Obama’s birth certificate and in my professional opinion:) The birth certificate is questionable. The lawsuit should be settled before he is put into office by an election.
One issue is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature. In Hawaii, both of these are on the back of the document. Obama’s group scanned the front only. Further a certificate cannot be authenticated by viewing it online (embossed, ink, paper, original signature, certificate number(IMPORTANT!).
McCain promised to run a clean campaign. Well that went out the window when he started endorsing all those negative adds.
Now that he’s really down in the polls he must really be scared $hi*less to come up with freaky crap like this. Heaven help the old fart….
Cotton2226 wrote:
The number has been blacked out for sure…wonder what the State Department of Health Office of Health, Status Monitoring, and Vital Records Section has to say about why the number is missing?…I’m sure someone is looking into this matter as we speak or should say, write!
The lawsuit, Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083 was filed August 21, 2008. Senator Obama had 30 days to respond.
southern_comfort wrote:
McCain promised to run a clean campaign. Well that went out the window when he started endorsing all those negative adds.Now that he’s really down in the polls he must really be scared $hi*less to come up with freaky crap like this. Heaven help the old fart….
1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?
2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?
4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
Cotton2226 wrote:
Wow, this is heavy duty stuff!
Here is more Cotton2226:)
If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries.
Are we being swindled by legal ease from the Attorney Barack Hussein Obama?
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/…
I believe in the Truth. I believe in what The United States of America stands for: TRUTH/JUSTICE. I do not give my allegiance to any man/woman blindly.
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Is Senator Obama going to Hawaii to verify his birthplace?
As well as visiting his ailing grandmother:)?
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http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/...
Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls “dual loyalties” due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and “all the records we could get our hands on” according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: “[We] couldn’t get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we’ve found out it’s pretty irrelevant for the outside world.” The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
“The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas — a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish,and the ideals to which we are dedicated.” Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
“It is unfair to the country,” Berg continued, “for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected.”
“They” were all over McCain for his birth in Panama. I think Mr. Berg is onto something. If it truly is true that Barry and Hawaii is valid, then why all of the cloak and dagger stuff? Remember, anytime a person avoids the obvious, there is usually a reason.
My 3¢ (USD)
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Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind needing to be a U.S. citizen, or a native or whatever in order to become president? Seems to me, that regardless of nationality, if a candidate is able to win over a nation and rise to the rank of president, it shouldn’t make the slightest difference where they are from.
After all, there are no other jobs where you can be rejected on the basis of your place of birth. That’s my take on the matter anyway. But then, I’m neither American, nor do I particularly care about the issue.
SoulRising wrote:
southern_comfort wrote:
If you want to see a the PUBLIC copy of Barack’s Certificate of Live Birth click here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn…
I’ve have reviewed Obama’s birth certificate and in my professional opinion:) The birth certificate is questionable. The lawsuit should be settled before he is put into office by an election.
What is your profession, SoulRising?
SoulRising wrote:
Are we being swindled by legal ease from the Attorney Barack Hussein Obama?
I do not give my allegiance to any man/woman blindly.
To hell with your allegiance!
And you show your ignorance when you make a point of including Obama’s middle name.
If it is knowledge you seek, it is knowledge you will find. Over time I have learned to listen to what is not said, the questions that are not answered resinate the loudest, the subjects that are avoided are the ones I pursue;). The more the news media(s) talk about any subject, the less I want to listen.
Florie wrote:
SoulRising wrote:
Are we being swindled by legal ease from the Attorney Barack Hussein Obama? I do not give my allegiance to any man/woman blindly.
To hell with your allegiance!And you show your ignorance when you make a point of including Obama’s middle name.
Wow, we send our children to school and look what comes home. Florie, I will put it this way “YOU” could not afford me, nor would I work for you.
Nasty! “YOU could not afford me, nor would I work for you.” Oooooooh!!!!!! You must really be SOMEBODY.
and for comic relief:
[youtube:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aOCga0]
hey…iknowyou wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind needing to be a U.S. citizen, or a native or whatever in order to become president? Seems to me, that regardless of nationality, if a candidate is able to win over a nation and rise to the rank of president, it shouldn’t make the slightest difference where they are from.
After all, there are no other jobs where you can be rejected on the basis of your place of birth. That’s my take on the matter anyway. But then, I’m neither American, nor do I particularly care about the issue.
hey…iknowyou:), The President of the United States should be a legal citizen of the United States. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.
The only flaw in Mr. What’s His Name, Esquire’s lawsuit is that Obama is not an idiot. But I guess some people want to just keep this garbage alive until the last possible moment …
what obscenity have I used?
once you post something, the post belongs to everyone.
Being open-minded, is always the best policy. Finding the REAL truth is the key…and will always listen and investigate, and hopefully, make an intelligent decision.
SoulRising wrote:
Florie wrote:
oh well, http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aO…
Florie you are rude, you are using obscenities, you are trying to fight with me, you are not helpful. Please leave my post?
you’re peddling extreme right-wing drivel, and I won’t be silent about it
Cotton2226 wrote:
Being open-minded, is always the best policy. Finding the REAL truth is the key…and will always listen and investigate, and hopefully, make an intelligent decision.
Cotton2226
Certification of live birth is not a birth certificate. There are significant changes between the different copies on the internet of Barack Hussein Obama’s document.
This is a search for the Truth, not a campaign for either candidate. Again Florie I do not find you helpful. Please go away?
Florie wrote:
nope
Why are you above the TOS of help.com?
Please leave me alone?
Hey.
This is Help.com.
We help each other.
We don’t fight.
We don’t hurl abuse, we disagree sure.. but we do it with respect.
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I don’t feel respectful, so I’ll go for a while. But I will correct any “facts” that get posted here that aren’t facts.
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Florie wrote:
I don’t feel respectful, so I’ll go for a while. But I will correct any “facts” that get posted here that aren’t facts.
This is not a campaign. I am not promoting either candidate. The truth is important. I find you and the main stream media is not interested in the truth.
You have no idea what I’m interested in, and this is so typical: you’re searching for the truth. Oh yeah.
Sorry, it’s just revolting. I’ll unsubscribe, and I probably won’t be back.
Florie you are a raving angry person, please go away?
No one in the past 200 plus years of The United States of America’s history has tried to become president that was not a US citizen. Why is Barack Hussein Obama not clearing up the question? Why is he not presenting a birth certificate that would put all of the legal questions to rest? Why is he not responding to the law suit? Is he above the law because he is a presidential candidate?
Because he’s the son of Osama bin Laden.
Florie wrote:
Because he’s the son of Osama bin Laden.
Florie you are not rational or helpful. Please go away?
I think you can be a US citizen and still be born in another country. Otherwise there must be a lot of military family kids born in US posts abroad who are not citizens!
Perhaps the issue is not where he is born but where his citizenship was registered.
That’s how it is for UK citizens born abroad.
Florie, take time out please hun.
I think you need to just chill a while. Don’t let it get out of hand.
Good Lord, don’t call me “hun.” I am gone now. But I do think I’m pretty “rational” … Bye Mum.
mumstheword wrote:
I think you can be a US citizen and still be born in another country. Otherwise there must be a lot of military family kids born in US posts abroad who are not citizens! Perhaps the issue is not where he is born but where his citizenship was registered.That’s how it is for UK citizens born abroad.
Did you read the above information? I know it is long, my friend, mumstheword. The information Obama’s group is putting forth is not clearing up the issue, they are delaying the court, once he is elected will it be dismissed or classified (hushed). Do you know that Obama would not qualify to become a FBI agent or a CIA, he would not pass the background check.
I do not want to see a repeat of Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), the United States Supreme Court halt of the recount.
Yes I did. But I also know a lot of US wives and girlfriends abroad under 19 having US citizen babies.
I don’t know anything about American law so I can only comment on how it is here.
Here in UK… unless you actively relinquish citizenship through the courts, you remain British no matter what you put on your school application.
It’s an interesting post! I have thoughts of “what makes me British” going around in my head now!
SoulRising wrote:
hey…iknowyou wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind needing to be a U.S. citizen, or a native or whatever in order to become president? Seems to me, that regardless of nationality, if a candidate is able to win over a nation and rise to the rank of president, it shouldn’t make the slightest difference where they are from.
After all, there are no other jobs where you can be rejected on the basis of your place of birth. That’s my take on the matter anyway. But then, I’m neither American, nor do I particularly care about the issue.
hey…iknowyou:), The President of the United States should be a legal citizen of the United States. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.
I’m aware that it is in the constitution, I asked about the reasoning behind it.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.
Apparently the American people are in FEAR of challenging to reach the truth/justice. The media is not reporting on this subject, WHY? We are running out of time, time is of the essence.
Obama’s document is a certification of live birth, not a birth certificate, the copy on Obama’s website is different (does not have a emboss or seal).
If he looses this election it is because he does not tell the truth. How does this man raise over 650 million dollars and not tell the American people that the majority of the funds have come from over seas? We are dealing with an issue that is bigger than both of the parties. This is about the Constitution of The United States. If the rules do not apply to electing a president what is next?
mumstheword wrote:
Yes I did. But I also know a lot of US wives and girlfriends abroad under 19 having US citizen babies.
I don’t know anything about American law so I can only comment on how it is here.
Was his mother a US citizen? Was his father a US citizen? Was either parent in the United States of America’s military? Was he born in the United States? I am only asking for what every US citizen has to do to vote, get a license…, get a social security number. If this is not a valid document all of his other documents have been received through fraud. Would this be who we want as the next President of the United States of America.
mumstheword, would you want your leader to have dual citizenship? How different are the policies of the USA, Kenya, and Indonesia? I want a president that upholds the Constitution of the United States of America, the first step is to honor it yourself as a citizen.
Personally, I would set aside issues of where a person was born, what time their certificate got stamped and where and look at whether they had EARNED the right to be deemed a British citizen.
Dual citizenship is no bad thing per se… heck.. even our Royals could be said to have that!
It’s what you do with the citizenship that counts. Do good things and they’d get my vote.
mumstheword wrote:
Personally, I would set aside issues of where a person was born, what time their certificate got stamped and where and look at whether they had EARNED the right to be deemed a British citizen.Dual citizenship is no bad thing per se… heck.. even our Royals could be said to have that! It’s what you do with the citizenship that counts. Do good things and they’d get my vote.
I’d fully agree. Which brings me back to my question earlier, what is the reasoning behind having to be a U.S. national in order to become president?
hey…iknowyou wrote:
mumstheword wrote:
Personally, I would set aside issues of where a person was born, what time their certificate got stamped and where and look at whether they had EARNED the right to be deemed a British citizen.Dual citizenship is no bad thing per se… heck.. even our Royals could be said to have that! It’s what you do with the citizenship that counts. Do good things and they’d get my vote.
I’d fully agree. Which brings me back to my question earlier, what is the reasoning behind having to be a U.S. national in order to become president?
Because you are disregarding the Constitution of the United States hey…iknowyou.
The President of the United States should be a legal citizen of the United States. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.
Do you understand what happens when the law goes away? In some countries it is called Socialism, in others it is called Communism, in others it is called Royalty. We are a REPUBLIC that has been turned DEMOCRATIC and will become a Socialist country if we do not uphold the law of The Constitution of the United States of America.
I am asking about the REASONING behind the constitution article, I am fully aware that it exists.
I always figured a democracy should mean that the candidate that the majority of voters vote for should get elected, regardless of where they were born.
mumstheword wrote:
Personally, I would set aside issues of where a person was born, what time their certificate got stamped and where and look at whether they had EARNED the right to be deemed a British citizen.
Dual citizenship is no bad thing per se… heck.. even our Royals could be said to have that!
It’s what you do with the citizenship that counts. Do good things and they’d get my vote.
Spoken like a true British subject. We are trying to save our democracy, while it still exists. And we are under the Constitution of the United States until the American people foolishly stop enforcing it through the courts of law.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but referring to “Do you understand what happens when the law goes away? ” … you had a completely different stance on my post about cyberbullying. Therefore, I’m finding it confusing to follow your arguments on this Soul.
I just don’t know enough about it.
One thing I DO know… to be British.. you HAVE to drink tea!
Anyone for a cuppa?
hey…iknowyou wrote:
I am asking about the REASONING behind the constitution article, I am fully aware that it exists.
I always figured a democracy should mean that the candidate that the majority of voters vote for should get elected, regardless of where they were born.
I can’t believe the only people willing to discuss the truth about our election is only being discussed by you two: hey…iknowyou from Ireland and mumstheword, from the UK.
Florie’s British too I think. Just goes to show what chatterboxes we are on the other side of the pond.
You still haven’t given me any form of reasoning for the law that your arguing in favour of!
mumstheword wrote:
Florie’s British too I think. Just goes to show what chatterboxes we are on the other side of the pond.
At least you guys have an opinion. This is vital to the future of our Republic/Democracy. We (US citizens) do not want your type(s) of government.
SoulRising wrote:
mumstheword wrote:
Florie’s British too I think. Just goes to show what chatterboxes we are on the other side of the pond.
At least you guys have an opinion. This is vital to the future of our Republic/Democracy. We (US citizens) do not want your type(s) of government.
Um, I hope you do realise that both of our governments are also a democracy?
I don’t think our government is any different is it? Democratically elected.
If you mean Queeniepoohs … ooh no. She doesn’t govern in a politically active sense at all really. Just writes nice speeches at Christmas and keeps the castles looking good for American and Japanese tourists to help us out with our economy.
She even has to knock and get permission to be allowed into Parliament! True that!
She makes a good cup of tea, though.. apparently.
We (US citizens) want to respect/uphold/and be protected by our laws and those laws originate with the Constitution of the United States and The Bill of Rights. The Fireworks are in the Document itself. READ THE CONSTITUTION!
No offence SoulRising but all you have said to us the past few comments is The Constitution. I asked a simple enough question about the reasoning behind one of it’s articles, and you ignored it. Is it not possible that this oh so infallible piece of text is . . . . . for lack of a better word, wrong? It was written quite some time ago. Every country has a similar document, but changes are made to these documents constantly. You don’t seem to have the ability to question any of the things that this document says however. And that, to me, is a dangerous mindset to be in.
I really don’t understand your stance Soul, I’m afraid. “We (US citizens) want to respect/uphold/and be protected by our laws ..” contradicts your statement “It is a sad day when people believe the law will protect them ..”
I can tell you are passionate about this issue, but I don’t follow the arguments that’s all.
hey…iknowyou wrote:
No offence SoulRising but all you have said to us the past few comments is The Constitution. I asked a simple enough question about the reasoning behind one of it’s articles, and you ignored it. Is it not possible that this oh so infallible piece of text is . . . . . for lack of a better word, wrong? It was written quite some time ago. Every country has a similar document, but changes are made to these documents constantly. You don’t seem to have the ability to question any of the things that this document says however. And that, to me, is a dangerous mindset to be in.
hey…iknowyou NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BEFORE OR SINCE HAS A DOCUMENT OR A COUNTRY LIKE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
I want the truth and nothing more.
The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land., and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid.
I LOVE MY COUNTRY. I await the truth.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is FORCE! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
The only thing necessary for the United States of America to cease to be great is for the US citizens to ignore the truth.
I’m exhausted with the lies
I’m told the truth doesn’t matter
I’m argued with by people from countries other than the USA
If there is even a remote possibility that Obama’s allegiance are not Constitutional, We The People of the United States need to know.
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New information is emerging: Apparently there is a 2nd lawsuit
Additional law suit filed by journalist trying to substantiate fact(s).
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ANDY MARTIN
Post Office Box 1851
New York, NY 10150-1851
Toll-free tel. (866) 706-2639
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tel. (917) 664-9329
Plaintiff pro se
CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST CIRCUIT
STATE OF HAWAII
CIVIL NUMBER: 08-1-2147-10
(Declaratory Judgment)
Judge Ayabe
COMPLAINT FOR
DECLARATORY JUDGMENT;
EXHIBIT 1: SUMMONS
ANDY MARTIN,
Plaintiff,
vs.
LINDA LINGLE, in her
Official capacity as Governor
Of the State of Hawai’i,
DR. CHIYOME FUKINO, in her
official capacity as Director
of the Department of Health,
Defendants.
_________________________________
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENT
Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN (“Plaintiff”), pro se, alleges in his Complaint for Declaratory Judgment against the Defendants as follows:
PARTIES, JURISDICTION AND VENUE
Plaintiff ANDY MARTIN is the author of a book on Senator Barack Obama (“Senator Obama”). He has also been writing columns and commentary about the senator for over four (4) years.
Defendants LINDA LINGLE and DR. CHIYOME FUKINO are Governor and Director of the Department of Health, respectively.
This Complaint for Declaratory Relief and these proceedings are instituted pursuant to § 632-1, Hawai’i Revised Statutes.
Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to § 603-36, Hawaii Revised Statutes.
7. It is axiomatic that the birth certificate of a presidential candidate is a document of crucial public concern and significance.
axiomatic = taken for granted : self-evident an axiomatic truth>
I had to look that one up:), I learn a new word everyday:)!
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sorry to cut in with some opinion, but i, for one, would not dream of voting for obama. the liability lawsuits on gun manufacturers thing just plain scares me. however, i could care less whether he was born here or not. it would be far from the first or last unconstitutional government action.
Personally, due to the age of John and Sarah not being ready for the job, considering on voting for O…but, being an Independent and a former Republican, that could change based on creditable information.
but doesn’t the lawsuit thing scare you? it means if i shoot someone with a smith and wesson gun, they can sue smith and wesson for my actions. that’s like suing the spoon company because you got fat from using spoons to eat food. there is no logic there. above all else, our president must be of sound mind. but then, that’s still just my opinion.
yanonanite
Cotton2226
I would just like the facts so I can make an informed decision. All the media in the USA does is spin, give opinion, theory, analysts are asked on an hourly basis what the future holds. Are the USA media psychics, prophets, or journalists?.
There are more good questions than good answers.
Why does this really matter???? Seriously, no matter what, either he will win or mccain will win, whether his birth certificate is legit or not. That is of little importance to me. All it is is a sheet of paper with your records on it that shows where you were born. It does not determine your character, the leader you can or can not be, or your loyalty to the country you are residing in. Im sorry but people are just trying to come up with all kinds of evidence or speculations to make ppl see the worst in these two candidates. If they have not changed their minds now i dont think they will anytime soon. Esp off of this.
But i guess this is only insignificant to me…
yanonanite wrote:
but doesn’t the lawsuit thing scare you? it means if i shoot someone with a smith and wesson gun, they can sue smith and wesson for my actions. that’s like suing the spoon company because you got fat from using spoons to eat food. there is no logic there. above all else, our president must be of sound mind. but then, that’s still just my opinion.
Are you saying that Obama is proposing this?
skyy wrote:
Why does this really matter???? Seriously, no matter what, either he will win or mccain will win, whether his birth certificate is legit or not. That is of little importance to me. All it is is a sheet of paper with your records on it that shows where you were born. It does not determine your character, the leader you can or can not be, or your loyalty to the country you are residing in. Im sorry but people are just trying to come up with all kinds of evidence or speculations to make ppl see the worst in these two candidates. If they have not changed their minds now i dont think they will anytime soon. Esp off of this.
But i guess this is only insignificant to me…
The citizens of this land are offering this man the most powerful political position in the world today.
What matters is the truth and having a president that speaks it. Is Barack Obama telling the truth? We need to know before we put him in the executive office. Is this a mistake, or a group of cover ups to much more? When an individuals credibility is in question it does matter. In other words how much additional fraud is this a part of? How can we move on to make a decision without the evidence? This is such an obvious critical mistake, that is being made, it removes the credibility of everything else that has been said if Barack Obama’s documents are not real.
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I read right through the Constitution.
I’m not even American, but it seems to me that the purpose it serves is to guide citizens towards reason and rationality.
I don’t see anything in it about nitpicking on paperwork to put a man down.
I do see PLENTY that says wisdom and commonsense should prevail.
In fact, I think the Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves to hear the political dog-fighting going on in the USA today.
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Anguishing over details, and obsessive “research,” can hide something as simple as racism or herdism.
anything of merit.[/quote]
Mr. TJ. wrote:
First of all, Obama was AUTOMATICALLY a “natural born” citizen, by virtue of the fact that his mother was an American citizen. It doesn’t matter where he was born; since his mother was already American, he was American by default. Technically, those born abroad can often apply for DUEL citizenship, but it doesn’t negate the nationalization automatically confired upon them by their parents. If this were not the case, then all those babies born on US military bases would be nationals of other countries.
Second of all, Mr. Berg is an idiot and has clearly failed to recall the fact that Dwight David Eisenhower NEARLY missed the eligibility requirements for the presidency, as owing to his military experience, he had lived on U.S. soil such a short amount of time. As he is not calling Mr. Eisenhower’s qualifications into question, I can only assume that his is simply using short-sighted and poorly researched political meandering solely for the purpose of discerning Mr. Obama and not actually defending anything of merit.
In my country the facts are sorted, proved, and disproved in a court of law before a jury of peers. Are you an attorney Mr. TJ? What is your expertise which has allowed you to interpret and judge your own case? Can you legally give legal advice? What makes you qualified to interpret the law?
With the law suit being as simple as you have described here on my post I do not believe there would still be a case for the law suit. If the issue of Barack Obama’s qualifications is as simple to prove as you have so eloquently put, why has Barack Obama with his millions (ability to pay) not sent an attorney of your obvious talent to put an end to this law suit?
mumstheword wrote:
I read right through the Constitution.
I’m not even American, but it seems to me that the purpose it serves is to guide citizens towards reason and rationality.
I don’t see anything in it about nitpicking on paperwork to put a man down.
I do see PLENTY that says wisdom and commonsense should prevail.
Wow, mumstheword, a UK citizen read the whole Constitution of the United States of America just to answer my post:)? I wish every American citizen would do that.
The Constitution of the United States of America describes the basic function of our government.
1) To establish Justice.
2) Ensure Domestic Tranquility.
3) Provide for the common defense.
4) Promote the general Welfare.
5) To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Prosterity.
6) To ordain and establish a Constitution “for” the United States of America.
Did you read the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence (to seperate from your country:) as well? It is impossible to get the whole United States foundation without it’s foundation. I wish law was as simple as if it’s nitpicky throw it out or commonsense rules the day:) but this is not a movie or Disneyland, this is a country like no other, We The People rule this country through justice in a court of law.
mumstheword wrote:
In fact, I think the Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves to hear the political dog-fighting going on in the USA today.
I agree, the Founding Fathers would not recognize the United States of America as the governed country they fought to establish. They were men of honor. They risked their reputation, their family’s life, their wealth, their property, and their own lives to separate this country from the tyranny of King George, the King of England, the Declaration charged, “He has abdicated Government here … He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.” The Founding Fathers established a Republic governed country that would allow us to be free from the persecution(s) that they had suffered in Europe as well as on our own soil by putting government in “the people’s hands.” But it is only in “the peoples hands” if the people demand their rights. “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke 1729-1797
As you can see my friend mumstheword:) I do my research as well. Thank you for putting so much time and interest in the future of this beautiful country of mine.
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I have not read any of the replies, because this post is disgusting in its’ implication that Obama is not in Hawaii to visit his gravely ill grandmother. Anyone who even questions his intentions in going to Hawaii should just be ashamed. There are few things that are untouchable when it comes to politics, but family members on their death bed are ONE of the them. How sick are the people who want McCain to win that they won’t let Obama be in peace with his grandmother who RAISED him in Hawaii for most of his life. His grandmother who was as much a mother, if not more, to him him than his own mother. I have never seen a political campaign as disgusting and pitafill as McCains and many of his supporters are starting to look just as bad.
Mr. TJ wrote:
He [Obama] has sent no attorney because the suit is obviously frivolous and without merit. Only an extremely foolish electorate would be distracted by such an absurd claim - which is all this lawsuit is clearly designed to achieve. Had it been anything else, it would have been brought about LONG ago, before the election neared the point-of-no-return for the GOP. If you think for one second that the Clintons wouldn’t have uncovered this little caveat during the primary, think again.
Good, sensible points!!!
Sometimes I’m amazed that when we have this brilliant, decent, and heroic man offering to be president and straighten things out (or start …), all the McCain people can do is complain, be suspicious, be hateful, be petty, lie, and “do research” when if they would just wake up, they could be happy about what’s happening! They could join in, and contribute to the future of our country and the planet!
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Sometimes I’m amazed that when we have this brilliant, decent, and heroic man offering to be president and straighten things out (or start …), all the McCain people can do is complain, be suspicious, be hateful, be petty, lie, and “do research” when if they would just wake up, they could be happy about what’s happening! They could join in, and contribute to the future of our country and the planet!
Florie I have not endorsed Senator McCain or Barack Obama.
I am waiting for the results of the investigation by professional forensic experts, official certified copies from the place of birth, lawyers, and the judge or jurors who will decide based on the evidence.
The citizens of this land are offering this man the most powerful political position in the world today.
The truth does matter. Is Barack Obama telling the truth? We need to know before we elect him into the executive office. Is this a mistake, or a group of cover ups to much more? When an individuals credibility is in question it does matter. In other words how much additional fraud is this a part of? How can we move on to make a decision without the evidence? This is such an obvious critical mistake, that is being made, it removes the credibility of everything else that has been said if Barack Obama’s documents are not real.
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Is Senator Obama going to Hawaii to verify his birthplace?
As well as visiting his ailing grandmother:)?
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n...
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/...
Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls “dual loyalties” due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and “all the records we could get our hands on” according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: “[We] couldn’t get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we’ve found out it’s pretty irrelevant for the outside world.” The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
“The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas — a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish,and the ideals to which we are dedicated.” Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
“It is unfair to the country,” Berg continued, “for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected.”
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