god help: Does anyone believe that either candidate can actually pull us out of the hot water that we are in, as a nation? - Help.com

I don’t want my nation’s leaders to make any of their decisions based upon religion.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index….

That’s why.

I’m not religious… Respect your right to be so. I just hope whoever gets elected has the good sense enough to work to their fullest potential to improve America, not for some religious standard, but just to improve the lives of all who live here. It probably won’t happen, but we’ll see.

Silverwings wrote:

Verum Causa wrote:
I don’t want my nation’s leaders to make any of their decisions based upon religion.

That is the New America that you are talking about.. the old one, was based upon principals found in the bible. It is now being redefined…. however, the freedom that you now experience, and the very air that you breathe… all came from God.

No.

Now that’s a secular solution. I can agree with that.

I don’t measure my laws against the Bible, for I don’t derive any of my standards from the Bible.

I know what will happen if I try to hold my breath. I can’t hold it indefinitely.

Secularism - the belief that government practices and institutions should be free from religious influence.

Silverwings wrote:

keep_itup wrote:
PLEASE HOW IS THE ELECTION GOING ON IN USA, I HAVE BEEN PRAYING FOR YOU ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IF THERE IS PEACE IN THE NATION WE CHRISTIAN TOO WILL HAVE PEACE IN OUR WALLS

Hi.. thank you for your prayers… we, as a nation, and as a world, are going to need them, in the coming days, weeks, months and years, as never before in the history of the world. We are facing giants.. of the like, we have never seen before, and we are divided as a nation.. we are no longer pulling as one, but, everyone pulling for thier own way, and thier own rights… and the nation, as a whole, is being pulled apart at the seams. The delimas that we face, are bigger, than both parties put together, and if we have any hope, it will have to come from God, himself, as man has dug for himself, a pit, that cannot be climbed out of. Thats my two cents… :)

No.

No.

So?

Not everything is desirable right now, but people, Christians, secularists, and non-Christians - including atheists - are making great strides by taking actions independent of the belief in a god.

All right. That’s fine, but I doubt you are right.

No..

Male. Have I been posting under a different account? No.

Silverwings wrote:

Verum Causa wrote:
No..

No…. uh, excuse me, but, duh… we can’t both be right, now, can we? One of us, will have to be wrong… and time.. is the only thing.. .that will prove us right or wrong.

Not really. Christians believe that Christ will return to the earth in the future. If it never happens, they can always say it will happen in the future. If I die, and there is no god, I won’t know about it. I’ll be dead. If we both die, and find out we have both been wrong about which god to worship and how to behave, we’ll both be wrong. So there is an equal chance we won’t know who was right, as we will know who is right. And there is a possibility that we are both wrong.

Silverwings wrote:
what do you have against God?

Right now it’s not about me opposing a god per se. I just don’t think one exists. I oppose the idea that any god exists because I have found no evidence to suggest that is the case, and I don’t want to jump to any conclusions and I think that it will hurt people if they jump to conclusions too.

keep_itup wrote:
PLEASE WHY ARE YOU AGAINST GOD, IN THIS TIME OF ELECTION WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND PRAY FOR GOD WILL

I’m not against any god per se. It’s just a fact that some of the most irreligious nations are beating us in several key areas. It’s a fact that the greatest human progress has come from secular efforts. I don’t see any reason why we need god or the belief in god. A lot of people are doing well enough without it.

Silverwings wrote:
What concerns me most.. is, what if you die, and we were right, as Christians?

What if you die and Muslims are right? I’m concerned about what will happen to both of us then.

Silverwings wrote:
then what? Our only desire is that every man, woman and child, should know Christ for themselves, why is that wrong?

Why is that right?

I doubt that will happen.

No you don’t.

Islam is the religion that accepts the revelations the prophet Mohammad received from the angel(s) as the true nature of the one true god and of our universe.

TL;DR

In response to the original question, no. Not all at once. The Bush Regime has had eight years to f**k things up. NO ONE can fix a problem in less time than it took to create it. So no, if Obama is elected, he will not be able to fix things right away. However, if we elect McCain, things will only continue to get even worse. If our direction is leading us off a cliff, it’s time to change direction.

lol, reading how this post suddenly got off topic, haha. excuse my poor grammer, i’m just a teenager who should be in bed!! and doesnt have enough motivation to car about his proper english. hehe :)

no i dont think any of the two candidates have what it takes, i have teachers who literally know more than both, and i’m being serious here!! and that really scares me! haha. if i could, i would put X’s on all the candidates, and ask for some who dont have to be rich. ;) but then again rich people know how to spend money…well “should” know anyway. And as a future soldier i really cant see any of them as “leaders”. honest to god i wish i could resurrect george washington and tell him, “ok america is not the america that you made, its full of greed, looka t our politics!! its no longer politics!! its a bashing contest to see whos worse than the other guy! i honestly cant remember what the candidates plan to do anymore!” and knowing george he’d fix everything, haha, if only right!! :)

as for the religion..i would have to agree with you verum in everyway..but the one thing that struck me, and brought me into believing..was not of scientifical value..but of morale.

I’ve seen so many friends completely turn around because of Him. My friend cory for instance, got into alot of trouble, he was kicked out of his house for sometime, started smoking, drinking, dropped out of school, started doing drugs like no other. Then just a few months ago, he comes to my door, and for the first time i see a smile on his face, and he’s jumping up and down and telling me about what he’s been missing and that he was sorry for letting me down. I was so confused i didnt know what to say! till i learned that he “was found”. he completely changed!! in just two weeks!! two weeks!!! to this day he no longer smokes, drinks, or does anything like before, he’s chosen secondary abstinence and joined the army. (cus he dropped out of school and has no other way of getting into college)

now tell me…what force on earth has the power to do that? in my opinion, no human can change someone so quickly, in my eyes, He does exist…and it even brings me joy just thinking about it.

The only question I can ask is: What about people who turn around without god or by letting go in the belief in god altogether?

Verum Causa wrote:
The only question I can ask is: What about people who turn around without god or by letting go in the belief in god altogether?

Either way, they’d be an extremist. And we don’t need them running things, if we value this country at all. Look at what’s happened with Bush.

We don’t need someone like Palin, who rejects all science in favor of religious mythology.

Likewise, we can’t survive for long under the rule of someone who hates religion.

I don’t understand why not.

If you put an extremist in office, we’ll have extremist policies. If you look at other countries, both past and present, the best and most successful were led with both reason and morality. While I know one does not need religion to be a moral person, if someone were to outright hate religion, they’d likely reject much morality in favor of reason, which…

Okay, look, I’m trying really hard to stay in the middle here, and it’s not working. There really isn’t any problem I can see in having a non-religious leader. Sorry. I tried.

I agree that there really isn’t a problem with having a non-religious leader. But I can understand that we absolutely do not need a President who would inhibit theism and theistic organizations and push atheist policies. We don’t want to be a North Korea after all.

Verum Causa wrote:
I agree that there really isn’t a problem with having a non-religious leader. But I can understand that we absolutely do not need a President who would inhibit theism and theistic organizations and push atheist policies. We don’t want to be a North Korea after all.

Well, we’ve been living in the exact inverse for our entire existence as a nation. We have had leaders who push Christian values, and do their d*mndest to squelch all others.

That needs to stop too, but coercive atheism is just as bad as organic (or semi-coercive) theism.

Verum Causa wrote:
That needs to stop too, but coercive atheism is just as bad as organic (or semi-coercive) theism.

But not as bad as blatantly coercive theism. Not just theism, either. It’s specifically Christianity, and it’s about one notch below a governing religion at this point.

But coercive atheism isn’t the solution.

Agreed. A balanced leader is always stronger than an extremist leader.

i think we really just need a mojor form of reform, everything with government seems to be corrupt these days, :(

midgetsk8ta23 wrote:
i think we really just need a mojor form of reform, everything with government seems to be corrupt these days, :(

Agreed. But they’ll never let that happen.