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The emokids will kill themselves off.

It’s natural selection.

Nature’s population control.

An entire generation that wants to kill themselves… why not let them?

Man I worry about this so much but even more so I worry that all kids want to be are WAGS and popstars or thugs. Who’s gonna be our doctors and nurses and politicians?

Cakes;-) wrote:
Man I worry about this so much but even more so I worry that all kids want to be are WAGS and popstars or thugs. Who’s gonna be our doctors and nurses and politicians?

The worthless ones will kill themselves. The others will grow up just like everyone else.

Either way, their future isn’t too bright.

I empathise with you. They are mattoids, they are looking to the mass media for the truth and they believe the governments in charge are taking care of them. They are holding their hands out like spoiled children.

A-K-S wrote:
its a progression. I am 35, and was raised by my grandparents up till the age of 11. I saw their generation, and was a step closer to what used to be called The Greatest Generation. I see the difference..Its all Harry Potter and Miley Cyrus, when it used to be John Wayne and Lassie.

Big difference:)

A-K-S wrote:
its a progression. I am 35, and was raised by my grandparents up till the age of 11. I saw their generation, and was a step closer to what used to be called The Greatest Generation. I see the difference..Its all Harry Potter and Miley Cyrus, when it used to be John Wayne and Lassie.

Agreed!

I am eighteen. Would just like to say that my experience in regards to depression had nothing to due with bullying, but I have seen how ‘cyber-bullying’ can really break a person down, my little sister for instance. She is fifteen in February.

Miley Cyrus is terrible.

Harry Potter was a good read, nothing wrong with an immersive book.

I think that perhaps the difference between past generations is that we are handed a lot and given lots of options straight of the bat. Cell phones, television, independance. I think that the modern lifestyle sucks a lot of surprise, excitement and joy out of living. Developing a certain numbness to living? I think, anyway.

I worry about how I am going to afford a place of my own.

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Good post.

Mas 1st wrote:
Poor things we have created a lovely mess for them to live in and and denied them a decent enough education to have the tools to fix it.There are still enough rich kids to be politicianss/lawyers/doctors and they don’t get bullied. You had more chance of escaping poverty in the 1950’s than you do now.The EMO kids do study a lot so I dont worry about their education but I do worry about the state of their minds/bodies. The Scene kids are all about how they look so they will work hard to spend their lives buying new clothes. The ‘normal’ kids are the ones who are going to have trouble buying a house, even joining the army (which used to be a way out) is all that hot an idea as we have started so many useless wars that they are going to have to contend with for years to come.And to cheer us all up our kids are so badly fed and lacking in exercise there is a fair chance we are going to outlive them anyway. The countries where kids are still educated and not living on Big Macs - that’s who will be running the show in years to come.

Scary but true, this is why I don’t want to have children, I wouldn’t want them (and their children) living in tomorrow’s society. Is it too late to fix this?

fletcher wrote:
Miley Cyrus is terrible.

I’m about to make a rant about that little c*nt. I am so sick of seeing her everywhere. She only has ONE LOOK! ONE smile, that’s IT! And it’s everywhere! Arrrrg!

But I’ll save it for the rant, I’ll save it for the rant…

I look at my generation and say wow 2012 here we come not…. this gen is a group of morons that listen to the TV and vote for people that they have no idea why thy are voting for them and are voting for them for things they cant do. cyber bulling is the most absurd thing and the fact that if a guy touches my gf inappropriately i can get sued because i punch him. I am very tired so disregard my spelling but the fact is that there is nothing that this generation will acomplish other than the distrution of the human race

Mas 1st wrote:
Poor things we have created a lovely mess for them to live in and and denied them a decent enough education to have the tools to fix it.
There are still enough rich kids to be politicianss/lawyers/doctors and they don’t get bullied. You had more chance of escaping poverty in the 1950’s than you do now.
The EMO kids do study a lot so I dont worry about their education but I do worry about the state of their minds/bodies. The Scene kids are all about how they look so they will work hard to spend their lives buying new clothes. The ‘normal’ kids are the ones who are going to have trouble buying a house, even joining the army (which used to be a way out) is all that hot an idea as we have started so many useless wars that they are going to have to contend with for years to come.
And to cheer us all up our kids are so badly fed and lacking in exercise there is a fair chance we are going to outlive them anyway. The countries where kids are still educated and not living on Big Macs - that’s who will be running the show in years to come.

The more I hear you talk Mas 1st, the more I listen:)

Economic crisis’, terrorism, global warming.. I think that human beings should be cybernetically enhanced from now on. Eventually there will be a new generation of SUPER babies that will be intelligent, motivated enough and physically able to fix the crumbling world.

lol

Xeno.

Anon, maybe don’t blame this generation for potentially accomplishing the ‘distrction of the human race’, but rather how society and modern life has developed to cause the way that the world is today.

fletcher wrote:
I am eighteen. Would just like to say that my experience in regards to depression had nothing to due with bullying, but I have seen how ‘cyber-bullying’ can really break a person down, my little sister for instance. She is fifteen in February.

Miley Cyrus is terrible.

Harry Potter was a good read, nothing wrong with an immersive book.

I think that perhaps the difference between past generations is that we are handed a lot and given lots of options straight of the bat. Cell phones, television, independance. I think that the modern lifestyle sucks a lot of surprise, excitement and joy out of living. Developing a certain numbness to living? I think, anyway.

I worry about how I am going to afford a place of my own.

I agree with you, what the advertisers are selling is not what life is suppose to be. You are very aware for 18 fletcher:)

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Good post.

“The worthless ones will kill themselves.”

Nice society we are building that considers some human beings “worthless”?

… “rich kids don’t get bullied”..

I think that’s something of a generalisation/misconception. No child is immune from bullying since everyone is capable of bullying.

But I do agree… children need a better education, better parenting, to better fed.

yeah their a bunch of wimps, course’ Please don’t tell them I said that

fletcher wrote:
I am eighteen. Would just like to say that my experience in regards to depression had nothing to due with bullying, but I have seen how ‘cyber-bullying’ can really break a person down, my little sister for instance. She is fifteen in February.

Miley Cyrus is terrible.

Harry Potter was a good read, nothing wrong with an immersive book.

I think that perhaps the difference between past generations is that we are handed a lot and given lots of options straight of the bat. Cell phones, television, independance. I think that the modern lifestyle sucks a lot of surprise, excitement and joy out of living. Developing a certain numbness to living? I think, anyway.

I worry about how I am going to afford a place of my own.

…

Good post.

I agree with you. What the advertisers are selling is not what life should be about. You are very aware for 18, fletcher:)

sorry:(, my last reply was showing my lack of sleep.

mumstheword wrote:
“The worthless ones will kill themselves.”Nice society we are building that considers some human beings “worthless”?

If they’re defective to the point that they hurt themselves so badly that their body doesn’t work anymore, than yes, they were worthless. We do not need those genes added to the breeding population. This is natural selection.

Xeno Dragon wrote:

mumstheword wrote:
“The worthless ones will kill themselves.”Nice society we are building that considers some human beings “worthless”?

If they’re defective to the point that they hurt themselves so badly that their body doesn’t work anymore, than yes, they were worthless. We do not need those genes added to the breeding population. This is natural selection.

I can’t help being reminded of the defective populations wiped out in Nazi Germany. The philosophy under that regime was also one that felt defective genes needed to be wiped out. I had hoped we’d learned something from those dark days.

I think (and this is just me thinking outloud so it may not make any sense) that part of today’s problems comes from us (this generation) wanting to make it a better place for ‘our’ kids, so we gave them stuff, told them not to take crap from anyone (including the police, teachers or adults) told them they deserved better and that they should get it (perhaps without the effort that use to be there). So now, they do just that. They EXPECT the world to treat them right and give them a living. They don’t EXPECT to work for it. I hope, seeing the mess we’re currently in, the NEXT generation will revert back to how things USE to be, when people respected their elders, teachers and police, and things were tough so you worked hard and it made you a better person.

Thanks Soul.

This post makes me feel very guilty for wanting to be a musician, instead of a politician.

Yes Aks, we all control it and have certainly have the power to change. Is it fair that that responsibility seems to be aimed on younger people? Thats up for debate I suppose. Would you devote the rest of your life to changing the world for the better right now, any of you? Do it. I guess people are all a little selfish and only really willing to seek out their own happiness or passions.

Aks is right Mas. I think that no Father comment is untrue. No offence, you have your opinion.

i believe emotions that kids or young adults have today have been around forever, they are just more in the spot light today thanks to the internet. Just as these young adults have these negative emotions, there are equally enough young adults with good emotions out there as well.

When the future generations are faced with adversity, what will they do?
They strong willed ones will rise up like always and take control and do what must be done.

A sad post indeed AKS… I will not be part of the attitude that would seemingly bring such a world to bare.

Mine is an attitude not of ignorance or denial, but of hope, love and change. My daughters will not be the foolish or the ignorant… my daughters will not be sucked into a pit of despair and hopelessness. They may have to contend with the ‘Mad max’ environment the very attitude of this post is creating but at least they will be ruling that world… not struggling in it.

We are all individuals, the lack of a father might not be the only factor contributing to them not ‘learning’ how to ‘be men’ anymore.

fletcher wrote:
Thanks Soul.This post makes me feel very guilty for wanting to be a musician, instead of a politician.Yes Aks, we all control it and have certainly have the power to change. Is it fair that that responsibility seems to be aimed on younger people? Thats up for debate I suppose. Would you devote the rest of your life to changing the world for the better right now, any of you? Do it. I guess people are all a little selfish and only really willing to seek out their own happiness or passions.Aks is right Mas. I think that no Father comment is untrue. No offence, you have your opinion.

Hey a d#mm good musician gets heard, remember Bob Marley, or was he a politician:)?

I think Bex has a very valid point. We have not taught our children to respect anything or anyone.
We need to work on that. Thuggery isn’t the way.

mumstheword wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:

mumstheword wrote:
“The worthless ones will kill themselves.”Nice society we are building that considers some human beings “worthless”?

If they’re defective to the point that they hurt themselves so badly that their body doesn’t work anymore, than yes, they were worthless. We do not need those genes added to the breeding population. This is natural selection.

I can’t help being reminded of the defective populations wiped out in Nazi Germany. The philosophy under that regime was also one that felt defective genes needed to be wiped out. I had hoped we’d learned something from those dark days.

Difference here: no one is killing them. They only die if they want to. No one is hurting anyone else, there is no oppression, and there’s not much we can do to stop them if they’ve made up their minds anyway.

SoulRising wrote:

fletcher wrote:
Thanks Soul.This post makes me feel very guilty for wanting to be a musician, instead of a politician.Yes Aks, we all control it and have certainly have the power to change. Is it fair that that responsibility seems to be aimed on younger people? Thats up for debate I suppose. Would you devote the rest of your life to changing the world for the better right now, any of you? Do it. I guess people are all a little selfish and only really willing to seek out their own happiness or passions.Aks is right Mas. I think that no Father comment is untrue. No offence, you have your opinion.

Hey a d#mm good musician gets heard, remember Bob Marley, or was he a politician:)?

Hehe. Well, music inspires, entertains, draws swelling emotions not felt much elsewhere and does generally help many individuals throughout their daily life. n.n

Bob Marley is a biiig person to contend with, heh. =P

A-K-S wrote:
Now, the real question:

How long before someone is offended by this post and it gets shut down? or did that stop happening here ( I hope)?

Sadly, no. People are still anal about hearing opinions that they don’t agree with.

I think this generation will pan out ok in the end, happens in every generation.

“They only die if they want to. No one is hurting anyone else, there is no oppression, ” Xeno.

I have to disagree with you on that. What of the Megan’s of the world or the Brighton teenagers who knew of no other way to stop the oppression ? They weren’t simply “emos”. Far from it. Just ordinary kids from ordinary homes.

Like I said… I’m not ignoring or denying anything… my children will be prepared for anything. But our conversation should not today be look at were the world is going… and then proceed to spell out the shadows, the sewage and slime of tomorrow. The discussion should be how each and every one of us the responsibility to the plant and to each other to what what can do to bring about positive change around us. It’s not too late. We are all connected, and trust me the Earth itself will join in that fight.

Today’s dream becomes tomorrow reality… just as easily as today’s nightmare becomes tomorrows reality.

Mas 1st wrote:

fletcher wrote:
We are all individuals, the lack of a father might not be the only factor contributing to them not ‘learning’ how to ‘be men’ anymore.

Dont mind me Fletcher - I am just mad at myself for spoiling him when he was younger, had my Dad been alive he would have stopped me in my tracks. My boy thinks being rebellious is not straightening his hair before school. There is a policy of non-intervention by the Mod AKS. Pleased to meet you - I am the Mod lol

If he’s feeling REALLY adventurous he could not wear a tie! Heehee. *sarcasm* =P
Well, not every father is a disciplinarian. My father is quite strong in making sure that I don’t become isolated, am out doing things, and clean up after myself. My mother has spoilt me all my life. I see and think about what my father tells me, I appreciate what my mother does for me. My sister does neither. She abuses my mother’s kindness, and screams unfairness no matter how right my Dad is in telling her off.

Its a mystery, the old psychological nature vs. nurture debate? Is she genetically inclined to be selfish? We’ve been raised the same really.

i saw my name, before i reply a comment to the post, did you mean meeee

proper cyber bullying I think can be bad-but name calling and general bitchyness I don’t think should effect peopel this bad. Although I don’t know what to blame it on?

Exactly. Well said Richard. “each and every one of us the responsibility to the plant and to each other to what what can do to bring about positive change around us”

If people are happy to accept “that’s just how it is cos that’s how it was for me” , then they condemn us to living with the negatives.

I think our children are more spiritually aware than any other generation before them. The 60’s was close, but the drugs took them off the natural path. They question, and inspire… they do not settle. Yes, there is weakness, but there is so much creativity and beauty also. They literally have the world at their fingertips… they are connected. They know (or are learning) not only are they spiritually connected they know they are logistically connected.

There are too many variables in a lives experience and genetic make-up to comprehend really. I’m willing to not dismiss the possibility that a lot of minds are quiet frail now compared to yours Aks. Whether that be DNA or your life’s journey, or both.

A-K-S wrote:
last thought…Children are not helpless bystanders in their lives. I was a children once, and had some stuff to go thru. And after my grandparents died, no guidance. Somehow, I came thru okay, if a little scarred and bruised.

People used to say how strong I was to survive and recover from the stroke and my childhood. WOW, form my perspective its just how it is, you tough it out, or you dont. You do not hope for someone to fix it for you, and you sure dont waste time trying to asign blame.

Hear:) Hear:) Take responsibility and make a difference!

I sometimes wonder what would happen if all the “Good” people stood up together and said I’m not buying what your selling anymore.

ohhh AWESOME!!! i love seeing my name in a post hahaha

anyway

my generation like when i was a teenager the internet was just starting for the household and within a year after using the internet i had some bully’s on the internet but they weren’t real life people i knew in real life so it never affected me and i was a bully right back because it was the internet and i could say anything i wanted!

as for real life, growing up in middle school i had a female bully who used to love hitting my head as she walked by me or throwing dodge balls in my face

once after i started highschool and grew boobs it all quit it also stopped because i had enough and started asking what their problem is, like why hit my head my head has never done anything to you…they generally quit and i think now it doesn’t matter what they did to me because their the ones either sitting in jail or have 10,000 babies with 11,000 choices of daddies on welfare

Richard cor de lyon wrote:
I think our children are more spiritually aware than any other generation before them. The 60’s was close, but the drugs took them off the natural path. They question, and inspire… they do not settle. Yes, there is weakness, but there is so much creativity and beauty also. They literally have the world at their fingertips… they are connected. They know (or are learning) not only are they spiritually connected they know they are logistically connected.

Haha, Aks.

That sounds true Richard. Perhaps it is just that they don’t find excitement or desire in all of the options that they have?

Mas 1st wrote:

fletcher wrote:
We are all individuals, the lack of a father might not be the only factor contributing to them not ‘learning’ how to ‘be men’ anymore.

Dont mind me Fletcher - I am just mad at myself for spoiling him when he was younger, had my Dad been alive he would have stopped me in my tracks. My boy thinks being rebellious is not straightening his hair before school.

There is a policy of non-intervention by the Mod AKS. Pleased to meet you - I am the Mod lol

Mas, I have a son like that too, my son cuts his own hair and is retreated from the real world.

sit back and watch them off themselves

I volunteer with the teens at church… and with the local Juvenile Probation Dept. I seem them at both ends… and they the exact same problems. The difference is the amount of support they get for those problems.

only think i’ll do is if they come to me and ask for help, i’m not going to go out of my way to help i have no sympathy for suicide

teeeens needs to realize that suicide isn’t the answer and they need to know their puney brains aren’t developed fully yet thats why their having babyish self pity thoughts

A-K-S wrote:
Poor Dani’s headand cool that Rich remembered my last nameI started doing very limited volunteer work again, with teens. What are you all gonna do?

I’m spilling my soul on help. Sometimes I think the all black helicopters that circle my house are coming for me:) Let em come:)! The “Truth” is amazing.

Depression is far removed from babyish self pity Dani.

It can hit anyone at any time in their life. Teens too.

Oh here we go

Dani, I have never indulged in self-pity. I tried to come to terms with, understand and change how I was feeling for years. I believe that you have no sympathy for suicide because you have never experienced mental illness.

fletcher wrote:
Dani, I have never indulged in self-pity. I tried to come to terms with, understand and change how I was feeling for years. I believe that you have no sympathy for suicide because you have never experienced mental illness.

nope, i haven’t if i ever do maybe my mind will change, but for now i don’t

That kind of reads that only the ones with a lack of respect are getting depressed Mas. I don’t think that’s what you mean is it?

dani, I have always had the attitude that I could take on the world. But the internet is teaching me that it is bigger than me. Mwwwwwwwwww is learning how to be “politically” correct. I tend to tell it like it is and don’t like small talk. You and I have watched and avoided each other:) LMFAO:)!

Huh i never avoided you

see
i think the internet is just the internet I see it as typed words

actually the internet probably helped me to stand up to my bullies

but then again I never really did let people’s words get to me after what my older sister told me

DaNi♠HaTes♠You wrote:

fletcher wrote:
Dani, I have never indulged in self-pity. I tried to come to terms with, understand and change how I was feeling for years. I believe that you have no sympathy for suicide because you have never experienced mental illness.

nope, i haven’t if i ever do maybe my mind will change, but for now i don’t

Suicide defeats the purpose.

I like the way Xeno Dragon looks at it:

http://help.com/post/209002-suicide

I think words are the most powerful weapon you have, but only if yu know it.

I agree with Mas that erosion of discipline has led to much of our difficulties. And the idea that “I have the right to do as I please” is exactly the one that allows disrespect for fellow human beings to get out of hand.

I think I shouldn’t talk about suicide i generally tend to upset people with my thoughts on it

at least on this website anyway

DaNi♠HaTes♠You wrote:
I think I shouldn’t talk about suicide i generally tend to upset people with my thoughts on it

Don’t ever stop voicing your opinion. Freedom of Speech is a precious commodity these days.

It is all fine and good to blame a younger generation of people for the situation we are in now.

The questions that you should be asking is what are you going to do about it. Quite frankly every generation before has complained about the upcoming generation. My dad used to get ridiculed because he had a beard. I would never have been able to live in peace as an inter racial couple a few years back. In some countires, we had no environmental protection and the rivers actually burned at times. There was child labor. I have no desire to go back to that world.

So, the up coming generation needs to learn to fight for what it needs or wants. Well there’s nothing like an econmic melt down to make that happen.

For any one to state that someone is worthless when they are a product of the environment they have grown up in… is completley rediculous. There are people out there everyday trying to save those in less fortunate positions. It would be so easy to let those kids be invisible, but that is giving up. I respect those of you on here looking for a solution. If you impact just one kid’s life positively, the world is already getting better. This hopeless desperation needs to go away or there will be no change.

So now as one famous politician once said, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Take that phrase and apply it to your neighborhood. To the kids that you can have a positivie influence on. Make a f*****g difference.

Sorry…. This s**t ticks me off.

SoulRising wrote:

DaNi♠HaTes♠You wrote:
I think I shouldn’t talk about suicide i generally tend to upset people with my thoughts on it

Don’t ever stop voicing your opinion. Freedom of Speech is a precious commodity these days.

check out:

http://help.com/post/209002-suicide

I just met this guy and he rocks the boat:)!

^_^

mumstheword wrote:
I agree with Mas that erosion of discipline has led to much of our difficulties. And the idea that “I have the right to do as I please” is exactly the one that allows disrespect for fellow human beings to get out of hand.

It makes me cringe when I see people being disrespectful. I honestly don’t know how you can develop to do that naturally, without guilt, or consequence.

Dani, you have the right to voice your opinion. Your lack of empathy gets to me sometimes, but then thats my issue really. You have the choice to explain your views more gently, however, hehe.

hey fletch i was gentle

Yesh, quite gentle this time. n.n

Xeno Dragon wrote:
^_^

and if you do ever decide to do what you said in your suicide post, can i join you?

DaNi♠HaTes♠You wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:
^_^

and if you do ever decide to do what you said in your suicide post, can i join you?

Hmm… maybe if you can figure out a way to mix in something that would make it even better. I have a few things in mind, and if you suggest one of them, or something even better, you win… everything.

I would want to be shot out of a shuttle in an astronaut suit into outer space. Oxygen would run out eventually, you’d pass out, suffocate, whatever. Floating in space and looking at Earth would be great, Xeno. Beats sky diving?

I agree dani must be “tired” (gentle) tonight:)

Don’t get her going! She’s got backup;)

Thank you BFree.. wise words.

BFree’s the man.

Sorry I am a woman. But thanks.

BFree’s THE woman.

Who blames the younger generation?
I’m counting on them!

BFree wrote:
Sorry I am a woman. But thanks.

Double chromosomes can be cool, lol.

“So now as one famous politician once said, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Take that phrase and apply it to your neighborhood. To the kids that you can have a positivie influence on. Make a f*****g difference. ” BFree

I might have phrased the last bit slightly differently ;) but basically, I kind of hope that this website was what help.com is mostly about. Doing stuff to help others. Be it emotionally, with guidance on homework, guidance on life choices, pet care, how to fix a puncture, ideas for a party… Oh.. and interesting political debate of course!

It has to be one of the easiest ways of making a difference.

eeuw.. bad grammar there. “I hope that that is what help.com is mostly about”.

mumstheword, I am being helped by seeing that the world is full of amazing people with all sorts of opinions and ideas, just like yours:).

Some specific ideas for help.com or the world in general A.K.S ?

T’is a wonderful world. As they say.. variety is the spice of life Soul.

A-K-S wrote:
dont lose focus. Like I ask my employees when they have a complaint, tell me some specific ideas about how we can correct the problem.

Sorry my focus is on 9 different threads on 4 different sites.

It can be. And it is a great tool. But there is so much that we need to be doing locally. There is always something that we can do. The smallest gestures could be huge in someone else’s life.

It is too easy to lose that human touch on-line. It is too easy to rant.

But then we are connected and the globe just gets closer.

Who knows. I come here because I have a need to make a difference. If I am not making one, then I try to find someone that I may be able to help. I never really know if I do. I can only hope and try.

Then I try to do the same thing where I live. I currently have a house full of kids that are not mine almost everyday. I give them a safe haven, and make them earn it. Then they go home. I can only hope that the generosity, care, and respect I have shown them and demand in return will make a difference to them. I make them do their homework. Tell them they are too smart to be messing up their future. That the world is hard, but they are strong enough to face it. I make them call their mom’s to tell them where they are at. Not so much because I think their mom’s worry about them, but to remind their mom’s that they are out there. They would not be at my house if their mom’s were avaialble to them.

I don’t let them in until I am home from work, so they sit in my drive way shooting hoops wating for me to come home. MY kids and I sneak away for “family” time, but find ourselves discussing our exteneded family.

I know not everyone has the ability to do this. But, there is always something that you can do. Even if it is to be a good role model. Or to open a door for someone. It really is aobut being responsible for your own actions and teaching respect.

I may not be that much younger than you.

Right. So, we have to do it. We have to teach it.

When you state that you were not as strong or as good a person as your forefathers. I truly have to question that. I think there was some awful stuff that our forefathers did. My kids talk to me in ways that I would never have talked to my parents. But then, they are free thinkers. I throw it all at them, conservative, liberal, atheist, christian, buddhist, etc. you name it. I make them earn their beliefs. Or, their frustration. But at least I know they are not going to be numb with the inablity to have an individual idea. And not be scared to stand alone in a room if it is the right thing to do.

However, because I do this, and I have met others that do this. I am not afraid of my future. I have hope.

I lost focus on that. If you mean preparing kids for the adversities of life, then BFree is right. Act locally and do something like volunteering at a street-kids programme (which you do) or teach. All too many people condemn poor education.. so do what needs to be done to support good teaching and weed out the bad. Become a school governor. (Not sure if you have those in US but they are ordinary citizens who advise and help lead schools). Raise funds to allow youngsters a few opportunities to steer them away from the drug dealers and the conmen. Set up a Young Enterprise scheme to show them what the world of business holds for them (I think you might be good at that).

Making a difference.. yes, I try. It’s the non-triers that often make the biggest critics. Don’t you think? You clearly try. You volunteer. I daresay you’ve heard a few “what’s the point’s” because you do too.

Some get so bogged down in debating it, they never actually get around to doing it.

Mum…I do get a lot of “what’s the points” But I have to admit, I don’t really volunteer. I just take a risk and open my mind and heart. I do this in my own home in my own neighborhood. Not through any formal program.

There is a toll on my house at times, then I get the “I told you so’s” But the value of a lamp over a kid is not even worth debating. It’s all a matter of perspective.

But in general when people say “what’s the point” I usually say becuase you have already given up.

AKS, the PTA is a joke. I have never seen a functional one. They are good for fundraising, but that’s about it.

Therein our problem with schools A.K.S . But I bet those that don’t get involved moan loudest?

Teachers NEED parents and carers to speak up about what the kids need. They’re the ones who know them best! How can a team ever win if the whole team doesn’t pull together on some things at least?

I think mutual respect is one of those things.

You do good BFree. That’s what counts.

PTA’s need a kick up the proverbial donkey if all they do is fundraising and don’t give any feedback.

Get in there and kick donkey if you have to. Make it function.

“Kick donkey” is slightly different to “kick a..s” . You go in with aims and ideas and a plan. Subtly different to shouting and hollering and giving attitude, if you know what I mean.

LOL kicking donkey.

Donkeys can be darned stubborn…. ;)

I wasn’t aware there was one Mas!

How does the adult status work? If I wasn’t eighteen would I have not been able to see this post?

“But taking responsibilty for ourselves is a central theme with me. Ourselves, and our actions, and the consequences of those actions. ”

I think we agree on that A.K.S. !

Good one Mas! I like Jamie Oliver’s plan to get people cooking again “Pass It On”. Another simple idea, grass roots up.

LIFE is about taking responsibility for our Self. To constantly look to others or outside our self and placing blame there for our problems is to be a victim to life. Sorry… that’s not for me.

Yes, I agree. I like the idea though.

Maybe a misguided attempt to be “understood” by those he was trying to persuade and trying to “fit in” .. who knows.

Richard cor de lyon wrote:
LIFE is about taking responsibility for our Self. To constantly look to others or outside our self and placing blame there for our problems is to be a victim to life. Sorry… that’s not for me.

I agree with you Richard, I have always been a take the bull by the horns kind of girl:)

Mas the media is also “selling” Look for “Reasons” instead of personal “Rules”.

Because because because because = justification

If no-one tells you your efforts are worthwhile, you cease to believe they are.

If people tell you you are not worthwhile, you begin to believe you’re not.

Self-respect also means learning where the boundaries are living with what’s coming you’re way if you cross over them. If the boundaries constantly shift, there’s no hope of understanding.

Without rules, there is an open door for anarchy.

Random thoughts whilst dipping my biscuit in my tea…

Mas 1st wrote:
Just a small aside. A lot of the children in this world are lacking fathers. That shows itself in many ways. Boys aren’t learning how to be men any more.

And girls aren’t learning to be protected & cherished, and to value themselves beyond being sex objects.

to “be” protected …

Very true Florie.

Ell♥ Pants wrote:
proper cyber bullying I think can be bad-but name calling and general bitchyness I don’t think should effect peopel this bad. Although I don’t know what to blame it on?

Calll me wimpy, but name-calling and general bitchiness really gets me down. :(

BFree wrote:
So now as one famous politician once said, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

John F. Kennedy

Florie wrote:

Ell♥ Pants wrote:
proper cyber bullying I think can be bad-but name calling and general bitchyness I don’t think should effect peopel this bad. Although I don’t know what to blame it on?

Calll me wimpy, but name-calling and general bitchiness really gets me down. :(

Yes but thats the point, it shouldn’t but it does. No idea why.

im sure all this depends on how the kids are raised huh? **** parents = pathetic kids?

Here’s one or two young people (18) that is going to be strong enough to deal with just about anything! Why?… not because they were picked to sing a song at graduation… but because they believe in the words they sing.

Original on YouTube.com

I think we have to acknowledge that not all those who say they are self-harming really are… but the fact is we have to ASSUME that they are! We have to react responsibly to those sorts of posts for the sake of those that do self-harm who may be invisible but reading.

Yes, you’re right Mas. Neglect is a massive factor. But some parents are also beaten back by the idiocy of “the system”. For example, an eight yr old shows signs of self-harm and troubled behaviour. His parents rope in the school to help.. they inform the LEA.. who arrange an appointment months down the line with a psychologist… who sees the lad on a good day and declares its a personality clash.
Three changes of school later, at 16, he is finally diagnosed with a serious disorder which requires strict routines of medication. Only there is no method of distributing that medication because Health and Safety rules will not permit teachers to do so any more and not all schools have a full time nurse. Mum does her best to turn up to school three times a day to do it but can’t work under those circumstances. The family can no longer afford the extra-curricular activities the young lad needs and the government has refused additional funding. Teachers cannot run them voluntarily without falling foul of yet more bureaucratic rules. One day, said lad fails to receive medication on time and cracks. A teacher is hurt, the boy is expelled and on the streets.
At 18, the lad is no longer entitled to an educational psychologist or any formal support of any kind and is deemed adult enough to deal with his own problems magically overnight.

Just an example. But a real case and one of hundreds like it.

Commonsense doesn’t seem to figure any more.

That’s fabulous. More more more. WTG Richard!

Ell♥ Pants wrote:

Florie wrote:

Ell♥ Pants wrote:
proper cyber bullying I think can be bad-but name calling and general bitchyness I don’t think should effect peopel this bad. Although I don’t know what to blame it on?

Calll me wimpy, but name-calling and general bitchiness really gets me down. :(

Yes but thats the point, it shouldn’t but it does. No idea why.

yeah, amazingly much considering that it’s a virtual world …

Mas 1st wrote:
Wow - Richard - I got all teary - you must have been the proudest Dad on Earth (well maybe apart from God lol)- that was absolutely beautiful - thanks for putting it in this post - it gives it some balance - Mas

Are you kidding me? If you listen very carefully… (after someone yells I love you Becca) and right before Em and Becca start singing, you can hear a deep bellow… pretty much unintelligible on this recording… but that bellow is me; “I love you Emily” :) I had to be said :)

yea, killing innocent women, men and children and really making the middle east fall apart. woo for them o_O

i dont hate either actually, i love my country. because im not american. and i dont hate religion, i just find it frustrating how no christian ever gives you a straight answer. i find quite a few other religions peaceful and soothing. so…i dont hate either.
thanks for assuming though, really.

(makes a quiet plea again for folks to recognise that serving country can also mean you are a doctor, negotiator or peace-worker.. they seem to get forgotten in this whole “who’s fighting who” battle)

Exactly Mas.

Yay.. front page! Marvellous!

I like the idea of the weak having a champion. That’s a nice concept.

Who knows, life may be ending as you know it. Our economy is totally crashing and it really sucks for most people that have a job that won’t survive. Well, this is turning into another great depression because we haven’t an idea for what needs to be done and stop this madness. By the way you need to see the movie Twilight!!! I am in love with Robert Pattinson, lol. Don’t respond to that please. There you have it, bye!!!!!

I reckon we are strong enough, I certainly know ours is the most violent generation. But weither its gonna do any good is the problem. Its not how strong we are, its how smart we are, which really is not at all. We need to be bother to properly survive, but I dont reckon enough of us are.

need to be both* sorry

bwill1 wrote:
you people have nothing better to do than write on here constantly, i worrie about you, leave the rest to god.

We’re here to help the people God won’t, you whiny prick. God forbid we care enough about strangers in need to dedicate our free time to helping them.

bwill1 wrote:
well they have to believe in god and ask for his help. How are you helping people, all the postings ive seen are saying oh the worthless ones will just kill themselves off, please explain how your helping anyone?

what the hell are you on about? do you read many of the posts on this website? do you know anyone on here? you obviously havent been on here long enough to realise that people on here do help others. what do you do? damning people like that? besides you have no right to judge, that is reserved for god himself, not you.

Personal abuse is not necessary and not tolerated. Sorry.. reported.

nope, my generation won’t be strong enough. maybe ill move to the UK.

TheJDevil wrote:
nope, my generation won’t be strong enough. maybe ill move to the UK.

Not a good idea JDevil. This place is going down the shitter to be fair mate. ITs horrible here, no jobs, lack of money, lots of violence. even worse than the states. go somewhere like australia, they got it right over there :-S

zip-in-time wrote:
my son is 19 and i really worry about him,but when i want to look for insperation in todays youth i look to the men and woman who are in the armed forces and over there fighting for their country most are very mature about what they are doing,and even grateful to be doing it.they make me proud to be an american

Please explain in what way being in Iraq is “fighting for their country.”

Florie wrote:

zip-in-time wrote:
my son is 19 and i really worry about him,but when i want to look for insperation in todays youth i look to the men and woman who are in the armed forces and over there fighting for their country most are very mature about what they are doing,and even grateful to be doing it.they make me proud to be an american

Please explain in what way being in Iraq is “fighting for their country.”

Yeah. America is defending itself from Iraq like Hitler was defending himself from Poland.

Xeno Dragon wrote:

bwill1 wrote:
you people have nothing better to do than write on here constantly, i worrie about you, leave the rest to god.

We’re here to help the people God won’t, you whiny prick. God forbid we care enough about strangers in need to dedicate our free time to helping them.

Xeno, I wish you wouldn’t get abusive. There’s no need to be calling somebody a whiny prick.

Florie wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:

bwill1 wrote:
you people have nothing better to do than write on here constantly, i worrie about you, leave the rest to god.

We’re here to help the people God won’t, you whiny prick. God forbid we care enough about strangers in need to dedicate our free time to helping them.

Xeno, I wish you wouldn’t get abusive. There’s no need to be calling somebody a whiny prick.

Then how would you describe a prick that is whining?

Do you talk like this to people in real life, or just here?

Argos catalogue - the laminated book of dreams. Why is it laminated? TO CATCH THE TEARS OF JOY! o.o

what does this have to do with anything?

everything. It dumbs down the hostility :D this is a place for debates not arguments.

you didn’t

Florie wrote:
Do you talk like this to people in real life, or just here?

I speak my mind. You should try it sometime, it’s fun.

bwill1 wrote:
agreed :) didnt mean to start anything.

Bullsh*t.

You’re abusive and you know it. That’s way beyond “speaking your mind.”

Florie wrote:
You’re abusive and you know it. That’s way beyond “speaking your mind.”

If the Mod Squad has a problem with me, I’m all ears.

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Florie wrote:
You’re abusive and you know it. That’s way beyond “speaking your mind.”

If the Mod Squad has a problem with me, I’m all ears.

But do you like it to get to that point?

OH to be fair, Xeno much as you got some good points you could do with being a bit less abusive mate, and Florie, to be quite honest neither your country nor my country should be in Iraq anymore. I agree we were all right to get Sadam out. but we should have had NO FURTHER INPUT after that. Not trying to run the country for them, and CERTAINLY no military force there.

If you don’t like my replies, don’t read them. I’m not Disneyfying myself because a few people can’t handle my opinion. If you don’t want to read it, don’t. I’m not forcing my opinion down your throats, here. I’m just voicing it.

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
OH to be fair, Xeno much as you got some good points you could do with being a bit less abusive mate, and Florie, to be quite honest neither your country nor my country should be in Iraq anymore. I agree we were all right to get Sadam out. but we should have had NO FURTHER INPUT after that. Not trying to run the country for them, and CERTAINLY no military force there.

wull, uh, Maxybox I think so too! “To be quite honest” we should never have bombed the smithereens out of Iraq in the first place.

Florie wrote:

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
OH to be fair, Xeno much as you got some good points you could do with being a bit less abusive mate, and Florie, to be quite honest neither your country nor my country should be in Iraq anymore. I agree we were all right to get Sadam out. but we should have had NO FURTHER INPUT after that. Not trying to run the country for them, and CERTAINLY no military force there.

wull, uh, Maxybox I think so too! “To be quite honest” we should never have bombed the smithereens out of Iraq in the first place.

oh, well, glad we got the same view ^_^

Xeno Dragon wrote:
If you don’t like my replies, don’t read them. I’m not Disneyfying myself because a few people can’t handle my opinion. If you don’t want to read it, don’t. I’m not forcing my opinion down your throats, here. I’m just voicing it.

Xeno, it isnt your opinions that are the problem, its just how they are voiced. It is possible to voice opposing opinions while being nice at the same time.

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
Xeno, it isnt your opinions that are the problem, its just how they are voiced. It is possible to voice opposing opinions while being nice at the same time.

And that’s YOUR opinion. Mine is different. Don’t you just love freedom of speech?

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aye I do ^_^ but still, I dont wanna seem like I’m having a go, I just prefer it when people are nice lol. too much hostility in this world as it is, could do with less here

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
aye I do ^_^ but still, I dont wanna seem like I’m having a go, I just prefer it when people are nice lol. too much hostility in this world as it is, could do with less here

If people can’t handle the harsh truth of my opinion, then the answer to Aks’ question is NO, this and many other generations will NEVER be strong enough.

You can be strong but still be polite. I can handle it, hence I aint getting angry. Strength doesnt just come from being aggressive, it comes from the ability to stand with your beliefs, and I believe that the less hostility the better, and im standing with that, thats why I’m here, trying to promote that.

but despite all that xeno, i reckon your opinions are right XD

Let that be a lesson to you. It’s an old one, but better late than never. “Never judge a book by it’s cover.”

bwill1 wrote:
thanks! cuz im new on here and I can obviously see that you do alot of “good” on here when Ive got nothing but bad! thanks for this wonderful experience and i hope that you can sleep very well tonight, maybe it will make you feel like a better person.

I feel all bright and glowey inside. I could fart pixie dust, I’m so content.

I’d like to clarify one small point.

“Xeno - the Mod squad has no problem - sometimes your reputation makes people jump without reading”

I read. I hit the red flag for comments that were way over and above the TOU in my opinion.

Why doesn’t the mod team have a problem with the abusive remarks that Xeno made?

I agree with Mumstheword totally! If Xeno’s remarks weren’t abusive and out of bounds, that what the hell would be?!!!

***Xeno Dragon giggles***

Mas? Could you answer my question please? I’d like to know.

***Xeno Dragon dances the dance of the Ancients***

I don’t accept the abuse that was hurled in here as “diversity during debate”. Neither do I accept that it did not break the TOU.

It’s not about personalities and “liking” people.

I’d want the same answers no matter who was involved.

You mustn’t worry about me dazmos. My understanding is crystal clear.

I love you mumstheword.
Anyway, now that I’ve gotten that out… I think that the proportion of smart, strong, able young adults and teens is about normal for a generation. Besides, think about what legacy adults of today are leaving behind for us to fix. Global Warming, huge federal deficit, war on “terror”… Truth be told, I don’t think we’re doing to bad.

Why thank you Doctor Hu. I love you too.

Why thank you kind user. (Hey, I think we may have just returned a touch of civility to this post!)

One would hope so.

Xeno Dragon wrote:
The emokids will kill themselves off.

It’s natural selection.

Nature’s population control.

An entire generation that wants to kill themselves… why not let them?

I think it’s unfair to place blame on “emo kids”. No, I’m not one of them, but seriously, it’s ignorant. Emo kids are not the only ones who commit suicide. There are plenty of people who were depressed or bi-polar who’ve killed themselves — because of extreme unhappiness. This doesn’t mean they are “emo”. Honestly, I’m so sick of people being labeled by others who really don’t know them.

Some people who dress emo/goth/scene ..do it purposely for the look. That doesn’t necessarly mean they are suicidal. That’d be like saying all preppy girls are anorexic or bulimic. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the reason a lot of teens are depressed now-a-days is because they *do* get bullied?

The whole internet bulling thing should have never been allowed to get this far, and honestly, it’s really pathetic. As a teenager in today’s world, I’m honeslty afraid of what it’s going to be like in 2-5 years ..and as much as I do want to have children, that thought scares me more. I don’t want them growing up in a world like this.

thank you tiffany.

dazmos.trash wrote:
well now tiffany. . . i thought that same way when i was in highschool and now im 30 and have no children so - basically my advice is just look at is as a practical joke.

I’m not in high school anymore.. And how could you look at something like depression or suicide a “joke”?

Very wise and perceptive thoughts Tiffany.

Would that things were just a joke sometimes Dazmos. Sadly not the case though.

Tiffany, my views only come from experience. Spend as much time as I have on a site like this, and you’ll see what I mean. Look it up. Threats of suicide are mostly for attention. If they really wanted to kill themselves, they’d just do it instead of bragging about it. And the reason it continues? It works! As soon as someone has a problem, they threaten suicide, and then everyone treats them like a little kid with a papercut. They baby them, and compliment them, and what does this teach them? It teaches them that all they have to do to get attention is threaten to kill themselves, and personally, I’m sick of it. It takes away from the people who truly need help.

You’re familiar with the boy who cried wolf, I assume?

mumstheword wrote:
Very wise and perceptive thoughts Tiffany.

Thank you. :]

There are some very strong and quite intelligent young people out there.

And you can bet your last penny there definately are those to be blamed for the current economic crisis!

Come on, ENRON was just the tip of the iceberg! The others have been hanging out hoping to keep themselves off the radar … the writing was on the wall when ENRON was exposed.

Anyone who finds the current situation as surprising is quite niave.

Unfortunately, we don’t have the benefit of an insider kind of knowledge of who is troll and who isn’t… do we?

So we do our best. We sniff them out eventually. But in the meantime, we try to do the right thing and give help where we think it might be needed.

If others don’t like it when we help, that’s fine. They are entitled to their opinion, incomprehensible as it may be to us.

Is there a way to identify those that truly need help ? Or is it just guesswork ?

Interesting point.

Dazmos … you are misinformed, may not fully understand the economics of this country.

But, our economic situation is built on a fragile house of cards currently and it is crumbling because it has NO authentic foundation.

It wont effect me too much … I have a profession that will always be in need regardless of the economic situation.

Businesses are folding right and left and people are losing their employment.

Several months ago I realized this and called the US Department of Treasury … spoke to an ombudsman there … he had the same concerns …

bizzare..

That’s a poetic turn of phrase. I like that. “a fragile house of cards crumbling because it has no authentic foundation”.

ohhh … excuse me … it was the Federal Reserve Bank ombudsman I spoke with. Sorry about the misinformation.

i think ur right, i blame it on the mass media & us, i think it’s something that should be worked on in each and every individual, and i don’t think it will be solved before the end of the millenium even though i pray for it to and do my best to fix my part of the problem.

“youd also do well to fear that your account will be banned for stating your opinions, especially those that are negative towards the mods or their roleplay buddies.” Davros.trash

Are you suggesting that a user may be banned for expressing a valid opinion or commenting on the negative behaviour of a mod’s “roleplay buddies”?

I’m intrigued by your choice of words to include “fear”. It throws up some interesting questions/ideas/concepts to consider in this debate about whether the new generation will have the necessary strength to face adversity.

Will they stand firm in defence of what is right over what is wrong? Will they have the courage to put themselves at risk to fight for honour and justice? Will they uphold the principles of free speech handed down to us by the last generations? Will they question? Will they act? Will they follow good examples or bad influences? Will they bow down to pressures put upon them by their peers rather than think for themselves?

Since your comments seem to be directed to me personally, here’s my stance on this:

I will stand firm in defence of what is right.
I will have the courage to put myself at risk to uphold honour and justice.
I will uphold the right to free speech.
I will question.
I will act.
I will try to follow good examples and not be influenced by bad ones.
I will think for myself.

I will not be told by any man or any government on this or any other planet to “fear” anything.

I’d like to think “the new generation” would do the same. My experience of the majority of young people today is that they will.

dazmos.trash wrote:
i didnt mean depression and suicide darlin, i meant having kids in an uncomfortable world.

“darlin” is a term you’re using to show your superiority (you think)

Kids have been ALLOWED to be like this. By parents, teachers, and society as a whole. They need guidance and discipline from those in authority.

Have any of you ever thought that maybe this is the beginning of a new era? What does this generation have that others don’t? Or that others may have had but didn’t really care much about? A lot of you seem to talk and focus only on the negative things that this generation is doing; what positive things could come from this generation?

Either more of this generation will come around in their 30s-40s and there will be amazing progress in certain areas of life/society that were previously left fairly untouched. Or the generation after them will see how their parents are and will strive extremely hard to be the opposite, and then they will be the ones who make progress in certain areas of life that previous generations ignored. Either way, I think that some amazing people will come from this generation. Some of the very people that some of you think are “worthless”, they will amaze you in the future.

If we are not strong enough; we will regroup and try again, and again, and again. until we are dead, or we have won.

lol.. .no the younger generations are not good enough, and they will grow up and lead the world to a climactic end, much like revelations would describe, only no rapture.

mumstheword wrote:
“youd also do well to fear that your account will be banned for stating your opinions, especially those that are negative towards the mods or their roleplay buddies.” Davros.trash

Are you suggesting that a user may be banned for expressing a valid opinion or commenting on the negative behaviour of a mod’s “roleplay buddies”?

I’m intrigued by your choice of words to include “fear”. It throws up some interesting questions/ideas/concepts to consider in this debate about whether the new generation will have the necessary strength to face adversity.

Will they stand firm in defence of what is right over what is wrong? Will they have the courage to put themselves at risk to fight for honour and justice? Will they uphold the principles of free speech handed down to us by the last generations? Will they question? Will they act? Will they follow good examples or bad influences? Will they bow down to pressures put upon them by their peers rather than think for themselves?

Since your comments seem to be directed to me personally, here’s my stance on this:

I will stand firm in defence of what is right.
I will have the courage to put myself at risk to uphold honour and justice.
I will uphold the right to free speech.
I will question.
I will act.
I will try to follow good examples and not be influenced by bad ones.
I will think for myself.

I will not be told by any man or any government on this or any other planet to “fear” anything.

I’d like to think “the new generation” would do the same. My experience of the majority of young people today is that they will.

Good words!

Anonymous wrote:
Have any of you ever thought that maybe this is the beginning of a new era? What does this generation have that others don’t? Or that others may have had but didn’t really care much about? A lot of you seem to talk and focus only on the negative things that this generation is doing; what positive things could come from this generation?

Either more of this generation will come around in their 30s-40s and there will be amazing progress in certain areas of life/society that were previously left fairly untouched. Or the generation after them will see how their parents are and will strive extremely hard to be the opposite, and then they will be the ones who make progress in certain areas of life that previous generations ignored. Either way, I think that some amazing people will come from this generation. Some of the very people that some of you think are “worthless”, they will amaze you in the future.

What do you think will come?

I think whatever it is, should be different than we have now. Perhaps it will be a faster, more environmenatally proactive, non-petro using, peace seeking, ethically compassed, justice oriented, equality promising, and tolerant society. Maybe, just maybe, tough is not the answer. Tough has been done to death so to speak. Perhaps the younger generation is more depressed because us old foggies have not given them the power to effect change (not handed over the remote control) and their souls weep for what we have done with our reign of power. They have to carry the burden of our deficit, environment, science, prejudice, etc. Perhaps perhaps. Thoughts?

BFree wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, tough is not the answer. Tough has been done to death so to speak. Perhaps the younger generation is more depressed because us old foggies have not given them the power to effect change (not handed over the remote control) and their souls weep for what we have done with our reign of power. They have to carry the burden of our deficit, environment, science, prejudice, etc. Perhaps perhaps. Thoughts?

I think you’re right: “Tough” (as in aggressive, combative) is NOT the answer. We will all kill each other if we continue on that way. Plus to put it in terms that most people seem to harken to now, it’s inefficient and expensive, all this macho posturing, bombing, pillaging, strip-mining, forest-leveling Paul Bunyanish stuff. It doesn’t lead anywhere good. Seems to me the young people must be depressed by the violence, the state of the planet and the childishness of their elders, whether consciously or not.

Nevertheless, there are always visionaries and their followers in any generation, and I have met some really impressive 20-year-olds and up. Hopefully their energy will help revive the older ones who’ve wandered off the path, and we’ll all get our groove back on this Earth.

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
aye I do ^_^ but still, I dont wanna seem like I’m having a go, I just prefer it when people are nice lol. too much hostility in this world as it is, could do with less here

If people can’t handle the harsh truth of my opinion, then the answer to Aks’ question is NO, this and many other generations will NEVER be strong enough.

i fear people just cant handle our honesty Xeno, apparently when people are somewhat blunt and speak the truth we are abusive and rude. shall we go have our own party thats not full of delusions of PC?

There’s a difference between honesty and abuse, and it has nothing to do with PCness.

Could someone point me in the direction of Urine Sane’s original reply on this please?

I like to check what was said so I don’t get things in a twist.

Urine Sane wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
aye I do ^_^ but still, I dont wanna seem like I’m having a go, I just prefer it when people are nice lol. too much hostility in this world as it is, could do with less here

If people can’t handle the harsh truth of my opinion, then the answer to Aks’ question is NO, this and many other generations will NEVER be strong enough.

i fear people just cant handle our honesty Xeno, apparently when people are somewhat blunt and speak the truth we are abusive and rude. shall we go have our own party thats not full of delusions of PC?

You have no idea how bad it got last night, Courty. People were going nuts because I said something they didn’t like, but couldn’t argue against. Actually, one of them hated me for no reason at all, but he couldn’t say much more than “dooshbag”, so I didn’t really give a sh*t.

no … that wasn’t why

Florie wrote:
no … that wasn’t why

You’re welcome to try and prove me wrong.

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Urine Sane wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Maxybox Paradox wrote:
aye I do ^_^ but still, I dont wanna seem like I’m having a go, I just prefer it when people are nice lol. too much hostility in this world as it is, could do with less here

If people can’t handle the harsh truth of my opinion, then the answer to Aks’ question is NO, this and many other generations will NEVER be strong enough.

i fear people just cant handle our honesty Xeno, apparently when people are somewhat blunt and speak the truth we are abusive and rude. shall we go have our own party thats not full of delusions of PC?

You have no idea how bad it got last night, Courty. People were going nuts because I said something they didn’t like, but couldn’t argue against. Actually, one of them hated me for no reason at all, but he couldn’t say much more than “dooshbag”, so I didn’t really give a sh*t.

I agree with Maxy. I respect your opinion. But you didn’t have to call someone a “whiny prick,” or a “nazi”. Just so you know, using that sort of language might devalue your opinion or make you out as weak of character in one way or another. Just saying.

Courtneyyy. There is speaking the truth. And being abusive and rude. They are two very serperate things. Never assume that you DO know the truth, and have that as an excuse TO be abusive and rude.

Discuss, lol.

What led up to that validates it, fletch. This… problem… spanned several posts.

My original reply Mums, was surely these kids are a product of their parents. so they are to blame, and not the children themselves, and only we can change that for future generations.
nothing to report there huh? although i did use the word blame, so go ahead i guess.

i know what you mean Xeno. the anality of people around here is getting ******* ridiculous. people have different opinions and different ways of relating to people. the fact that y’all cant understand that probably means you should go to a forum where everyone agrees with you.
xeno and i have both been users here for over a year.
surely if we were so **** offensive we wouldnt be here anymore.
i guess that doesnt get through to a lot of people though.
we have both saved lives here, and helped people through bad times. we have both also been through some really **** times.
just because we are blunt, doesnt make us abusive. id really like to see our abuses actually, because the only people ive ever gotten snarky with here got snarky with me first.

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By the way, what brought you back, Florie?