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Obama: The Hope of a Return to Tocquevillian America
by Victor Yves Ghebali
Le Temps

Tuesday 28 October 2008

Since its birth, the American nation has constantly presented the world with two antithetical faces. The first - radiant - is that of Tocquevillian America: magnanimous, open to all knowledge, at the cutting edge of technological progress and in perpetual projection of the future; that’s the America Jean Baudrillard considered to be “the original version of modernity” as opposed to Europe, which, he described as only the “dubbed or subtitled version.”

Crepuscular, the second face, is that of an intolerant America, anti-modern to the point of anti-intellectualism, obsessed by a religiosity that favors the veneer of religion over the substance of the religious message. In short, an open, enlightened America, demonstrating exceptional cultural dynamism, confronts in its negative an introverted America prone to witch hunts and reactionary to the point of rejecting Darwinism, family planning and stem cell research.

In the course of the last eight years, the Bush administration has embodied the second type of America. The November 4 presidential election allows us to glimpse the possibility of a swing of the pendulum, and, on a symbolic level, much more besides. In fact, Barack Obama represents hope of a new kind. That’s because of factors related to one of the founding aspects of the American nation (equalitarianism) as well as one of its wellsprings (multiculturalism). The accession of a man of color to supreme office would testify that equality of opportunity may well apply at the finish as well as at the starting line of public life.

Now, on top of that, it happens that Obama is not a simple man of color, but a man of mixed race. By electing this “human bridge,” America would acknowledge what it is in the most beautiful way: a civilization that draws its vitality from the fountainhead of the virtues of “creative fusion.”

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Creative Fusion - from the French perspective

Obama: The Hope of a Return to Tocquevillian America
by Victor Yves Ghebali
Le Temps

Tuesday 28 October 2008

Since its birth, the American nation has constantly presented the world with two antithetical faces. The first - radiant - is that of Tocquevillian America: magnanimous, open to all knowledge, at the cutting edge of technological progress and in perpetual projection of the future; that’s the America Jean Baudrillard considered to be “the original version of modernity” as opposed to Europe, which, he described as only the “dubbed or subtitled version.”

Crepuscular, the second face, is that of an intolerant America, anti-modern to the point of anti-intellectualism, obsessed by a religiosity that favors the veneer of religion over the substance of the religious message. In short, an open, enlightened America, demonstrating exceptional cultural dynamism, confronts in its negative an introverted America prone to witch hunts and reactionary to the point of rejecting Darwinism, family planning and stem cell research.

In the course of the last eight years, the Bush administration has embodied the second type of America. The November 4 presidential election allows us to glimpse the possibility of a swing of the pendulum, and, on a symbolic level, much more besides. In fact, Barack Obama represents hope of a new kind. That’s because of factors related to one of the founding aspects of the American nation (equalitarianism) as well as one of its wellsprings (multiculturalism). The accession of a man of color to supreme office would testify that equality of opportunity may well apply at the finish as well as at the starting line of public life.

Now, on top of that, it happens that Obama is not a simple man of color, but a man of mixed race. By electing this “human bridge,” America would acknowledge what it is in the most beautiful way: a civilization that draws its vitality from the fountainhead of the virtues of “creative fusion.”

translation continued > http://www.truthout.org/102908E

mumstheword offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 21 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (13 minutes after post)

That’s a good article Florie. Interesting!

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Florimouse offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 26 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (17 minutes after post)

God I love the way the French write (even in translation).

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (24 minutes after post)

I agree! Good article Florie! I think Obama represents, or is the finest example of what America really should be all about - a melting pot of culture, ideas, religions and backgrounds.

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Warminster, PA, US | 1 year ago (33 minutes after post)

sadly, our economy will not handle the flagrant idealism that barack has in mind. I like idealism, but not when used flagrantly… truthfully, only time will tell. but in 3 years, when everyone starts to wonder why those tax breaks for the working man he promised turned into tax hikes to cover for such idealist plans, (becuase we must always remember, anything the government/president wants to get done, we are the ones who have to pay for it).

honestly, its the party’s who are ruined evertying, they take good people, (who happen to be running for president) and ruin every good aspect about them that could apply to being a good president (or any elected government position) the democrats have their ‘im better than republicans’ idealism, which makes people think like our government works with blank checks to do whatever the party wants… and the republicans have a backwards, out of date perspective on morality. Not to mention the behind the scenes hierarchies within both camps. the democrats being run by hypermodern eccentrics, and the republicans being run by old fashion robber barons.

its my opinion that in the end however. the people are to blame… they don’t educate themselves… from an economic standpoint, the republicans win hands down… simply put, they are better businessmen. the democrats have morality and equality in spades… only problem is, morality and equality can leave us all equally broke. but with the republicans, while our wallets will be safer, our consciences are bankrupted.

in short, the democrats want to help the unfortunate. but don’t realize they have to foot the bill.

the republicans want to cut their losses as much as possible. but don’t consider helping the unfortunate.

and both sides think the other is stupid. and they are both right.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (35 minutes after post)

At what cost will we get the French to think of us as the “Tocquevillian America” as apposed to the ‘Crepuscular America’?

Also why is it that Americans should put much stock in which way a French writer views America. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying there is reason to discount the view point of those outside the US, I value the opinions of our world neighbors. My question really has to do with the tone and rigidness of this easy. Why does a country as complex as America need to be broken down into such small and narrow comparisons such as the two faces in this easy; I don’t go around viewing European countries by magnifying their good and bad qualities into personas all their own such as this. I look upon them for what they are, good and bad qualities as a whole and judge them on their merits of all things considered. Once again why should Americans or any one for that matter put much stock in such a shallow analysis of a country (any country)?

But wear we to pick a face of such simplicity to show the world. The one I would like to see next is the one of Isolationism. I am becoming tired of having to live and die by the over critical view points of others. Where today everything can change simply doe to one event that has caught the worlds attention while everything else is engorged and tomorrow things change yet again. Where just based on who we elect to president some how changes America from Tocquevillian to Crepuscula over night; when nothing fundamentally has/will changed at all.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (35 minutes after post)

Mas 1st wrote:
America is a relatively young nation and has still got issues to work through. Not enough is said of have far the USA has come, it’s as if people are afraid to praise the progression of human rights in the country as everyone jumps to remind them of the weight of the shame of the past if they do.

All of these articles would concentrate more on policy and the future well being of the country if John McCain was black. Then it would be simply a presidential campaign and could not be hijacked by those who are seen to be doing the right thing.

I actually think it is is quite insulting that the people of the States are being encouraged to vote for a candidate because of his ethnicity, your country may appear to have reached a new milestone in race relations but surely Mr Obama’s qualifications, experience and policies are what the rest of the world are hoping you are voting for. As an outsider I’m quite terrified that this has turned into a politically correct contest. In a lot of respects it has damaged race relations in the US - and that is mainly due to how the campaigns have been handled.

I’d sleep well knowing that the USA has voted for the best man for the job - America needs to be in a safe pair of hands - any colour is fine. - Mas

Mas, really nobody is voting for Obama because he’s black (& white). Nobody is being encouraged to vote for him because of his color at ALL. Thank God. That would be downright stoopid.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (38 minutes after post)

Da⌐11 wrote:
At what cost will we get the French to think of us as the “Tocquevillian America” as apposed to the ‘Crepuscular America’? Also why is it that Americans should put much stock in which way a French writer views America. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying there is reason to discount the view point of those outside the US, I value the opinions of our world neighbors. My question really has to do with the tone and rigidness of this easy. Why does a country as complex as America need to be broken down into such small and narrow comparisons such as the two faces in this easy; I don’t go around viewing European countries by magnifying their good and bad qualities into personas all their own such as this. I look upon them for what they are, good and bad qualities as a whole and judge them on their merits of all things considered. Once again why should Americans or any one for that matter put much stock in such a shallow analysis of a country (any country)?But wear we to pick a face of such simplicity to show the world. The one I would like to see next is the one of Isolationism. I am becoming tired of having to live and die by the over critical view points of others. Where today everything can change simply doe to one event that has caught the worlds attention while everything else is engorged and tomorrow things change yet again. Where just based on who we elect to president some how changes America from Tocquevillian to Crepuscula over night; when nothing fundamentally has/will changed at all.

This is a short, simple “essay” and not an exhaustive & exhausting analysis. I’m sure the author is well aware of all of our complexity.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (2 hours, 1 minute after post)

Being written from a French perspective, it highlights issues that are important within France at the moment.

There is significant intolerance of multicultural diversity, class difference and religion in some areas. Some of the more recent riots in France are testimony to the difficulties they are having resolving those issues there.

I think, in context, it’s interesting. What happens in America will directly affect the politics of France as a country.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (8 hours, 38 minutes after post)

Mas 1st wrote:
I actually think it is is quite insulting that the people of the States are being encouraged to vote for a candidate because of his ethnicity, your country may appear to have reached a new milestone in race relations but surely Mr Obama’s qualifications, experience and policies are what the rest of the world are hoping you are voting for. As an outsider I’m quite terrified that this has turned into a politically correct contest. In a lot of respects it has damaged race relations in the US - and that is mainly due to how the campaigns have been handled.

I’d sleep well knowing that the USA has voted for the best man for the job - America needs to be in a safe pair of hands - any colour is fine. - Mas

Obama has actually made a point of NOT courting the African-American vote. There are some who will vote for him because of his ethnicity, and some who will vote for McCain because of his, but I think it will be a small number. With few exceptions (Bill Clinton, Rev. Wright) this election while excruciatingly long has been notable for it’s lack of people playing the race card. Barrack’s first primary win was in Iowa, which is 97% caucasian.

As for the economy, the Republicans have doubled the size of government during the Bush years, and wasted money on a preemptive war (I suppose to control the oil, but that didn’t work out too well.) And socialized the risk-side of Wall Street while the profits remain private. I don’t have illusions about Obama; he is still a politician and has already broken his promise to use public funds (and thus limit contributions) for his campaign. But he is selling hope very effectively, and when the world is on the brink of recession and America bogged down in two wars, hope is like lightning in a bottle. Hope itself won’t turn the economy around on a dime, but it will have a significantly positive impact. Also, and no one even notices, but Obama opposes implementation of the RFID chip, which McCain supports.. a technology that would further erode our privacy.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (19 hours, 49 minutes after post)

The reason for America invading Iraq is often presumed to be “because of the oil”.

Interestingly, it ranks as only 13th in the world when it comes to oil production. In terms of oil reserves, it ranks 4th.

What most people do not understand when they use the term “oil reserves” as a basis for argument is that geologically speaking, many oil reserves are in fact inaccessible and therefore useless. Not all oil reserves are the same in terms of viability. In other words, yes.. gallons of the stuff down there but it’s not necessarily technically possible to get it out. In simplistic terms, oil that lies in “pools” within rock formations is accessible. But much sits in sponge-like formations. And you can’t just squash the rock to get it out so easily.

The media do tend to only ever focus on the first two figures. Capacity and Production. They never mention Viability.

Since Russia and China actually have far better viability.. you’d think that the “invade for the oil” argument would mean they’d be over there.

I just thought i’d throw that in as a point of interest. Maybe it’s less about the oil and who has the easiest army to overcome?

Personally, I think the reasons are a lot more complex than I can ever comprehend !

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Warminster, PA, US | 4 months, 2 weeks ago (8 months, 2 weeks after post)

super-necro-post awayy! i (the guy who badmouthed this post above ^^^^^^^) voted for obama, and will do so again next election. The Repubs/Conservs are getting Nazi scary, and im talking end of the world Nazi scary, so to avoid Mayan calander predictions on the end of the world, i would advise others to do the same. They’re going to have an idiot run against him, and i’ll give you 3 guesses what her name is. doh, make that 2.

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