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Whoa! Long post, man, long post! I say that you should believe whatever you WANT to believe.
I think you summarized the Hindu perspective to a t. As for the proof of another dimension, I dispute that. Please provide your proof. Besides, how do we test your idea. If there is no condition I can say is true after I test it via scientific experimentation or observation then it’s of no use to me. As for the populations of animals decreasing while humans are increasing, that is quite easy to explain with a physical reason. We’re killing them and then taking their land.
I know, I do believe what I want. Lol. :)
Hi Verum Causa, I gave you the resource — Brian Greene, he’s a physicist who specializes in Einstein’s string theory. According to him they have mathematically proven that another dimension exists, but obviously it’s one of those things that you’ll have to read through to see what the evidence is. I do invite you to read it…physics is some crazy interesting stuff!
I agree with your point about habitat destruction, I was just making a case for those who argue that there would not be enough “souls” for reincarnation to be feasible.
I know about string theory. It isn’t proven. It’s plausible. It hasn’t been tested yet. We don’t know if it’s true.
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I know about string theory. It isn’t proven. It’s plausible. It hasn’t been tested yet. We don’t know if it’s true.
At such small levels, you can’t really expect it to be proven so easily.
Not a whack job at all. I think it’s a very interesting and intriguing idea. I am personally a follower of Jesus, but I also believe evolution was entirely possible! I believe God created the heavens and earth… through what we call science, which He also created :o). I think you have put it together in a wonderful way of science and spirituality.
Right, it’s plausible. Maybe there is more evidence to it, but you can look into that if you’d like.
People believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Not a lot of evidence I’ve seen for that, but interesting that people believe it. Or I think it’s interesting, at least.
From my understanding of what you wrote and Hinduism…
Your beliefs coincide with those of most Hindus…
Thank you Candice! That was exactly what I was getting at. I’m sure there are others out there who have a hard time reconciling science with religion, so I thought I’d throw another theory into the pot.
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From my understanding of what you wrote and Hinduism…Your beliefs coincide with those of most Hindus…
Yeah, only Hinduism is so vague, no one will ever understand it. It endorses polytheism monotheism, and even Atheism.
It’s not the duty of science to reconcile itself to religion.
And I am totally looking into Hinduism. I’m sort of new to the study of world religions. Lol.
What Im talking about is their view on reincarnation adn the way a person can move back and forth on the evolutionary chart based on their lives in their present form…
Thing is Hinduism is not actually a religion in some ways, but merely a collection of various beliefs which are considered helpful in leading a good life…
From my understanding it is mainly a way of life rather than a religion…
Reconsiling evelution with Christianity and other semitic religions is quite easy though…
It mainly hast do with God being the reason for the evolution…
and the Bible does say that God created the Earth and all as well as all the animals before he created humans…
You said there are a lot of people out there having a hard time reconciling science with religion.
I think it’s pretty cool. It’s not my thing, but it’s cool. It’s important to think about this stuff. So props. And don’t let anyone tell you that evolution and christianity or science and religion have to be completely at odds. It’s not true!! They can go together!! Haha. Mad props to your family too for being so crazy diverse!
Right, in their own minds. I didn’t say science was responsible for reconciling itself.
Oh. I misunderstood.
I love that quote. That absolutely sums up how I feel about it. Thanks Nate.
I actually feel sort of awkward about this post now, mostly because the responses I received sort of gives the impression that I was looking for validation, which was not at all the point.
I mostly just find these sorts of things interesting and thought-provoking.
I also know that a lot of people on here struggle with the meaning of life and a perceived “nothingness” after death, but who also have a hard time relating to fundamentalist Christian theology, so I thought I’d throw out a few thoughts about alternative ideas.
Anyhoo, I just got done looking at some of your other posts, and I like the way you think. (I’m nosy that way. Lol.)
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So my dad is an atheist and a scientist, and my mom is a full time Christian minister.
I have had lots of time to think about religion and science, especially the way that each “school of philosophy” views death, and I’ve been pretty conflicted in the past (my dad is of the “once you’re dead, you’re worm meat” view, and my mom is of the basic Christian view that you get judged and hopefully go to heaven), but lately I’ve been thinking about something that sort of makes sense to me, in case anyone in interested in hearing it. I’m really not interested in starting any arguments, just wanted to voice an idea that I’ve not heard mention of before.
First off, I am not particularly religious, but I do think that there is and should be a level of spirituality to our lives.
I also believe in the theory of evolution. It does makes sense, right? The physical evolution of species, there is pretty solid scientific evidence for this.
So what if there is a “spiritual evolution?” too?
Most religions believe in some sort of afterlife, and I and many others have had interesting experiences that may or may not point to some sort of life after death. There is some evidence now that there is another dimension — it has been proved mathematically, much in the way that astronomers were able to identify the location of stars in the solar system before they had telescopes powerful enough to verify it. (you can look up author Brian Greene for more information about this, search “string theory, Brian Greene.”)
So let’s just, for a moment, assume that this extra dimension is a sort of “heaven” or if you are so inclined, a “soul holding area.” Take “life after death” literally, and you are more often than not talking about reincarnation. The idea that your soul is separate from your body and can occupy another form after your death. One thing that pokes holes in the theory of reincarnation is the question of “where did all these new souls come from?” The human population is obviously increasing…there weren’t enough people around before for their souls to reincarnate into new individuals. I’ve heard some wacky theories about split souls and all sort of things, but none of them really add up.
Think about this, though…populations of animals are decreasing as the human population increases. It almost seems to happen at the same rate.
My theory is that as we develop spiritually in one life, we evolve to the next being that matches our level of spiritual development. Perhaps you started life billions of years ago as a single-celled organism with “single-celled spirituality.” Then you became a bug, with a bug family and “bug level” spirituality. So on and so forth. Eventually you would work your way up to a more evolved form, like a human. You’d start as a somewhat unevolved human (we all know some of those, right??) And eventually you become an “old soul.” Over time, the human population will evolve spiritually as people become more insightful and introspective. Obviously were not quite there yet. Lol.
So in a sense, we are one with the earth and the animals and beings on it (very Native American, right?)
We are evolving over a period of billions of years (very science-based, no?)
Our ultimate goal is to evolve spiritually to a point of perfect, positive energy, love and enlightenment. (very Zen, and ALSO very “Zion-esque” — a Christian ideal.)
Mush all those things together and voila! My theory of life in a nutshell.
Am I a complete wackjob, or does some of this actually sound feasible and/or interesting? Lol.
wow, i was expecting a sitcom with such a title
“So my dad is an atheist and a scientist, and my mom is a full time Christian minister.” and hilarity ensues.
STUPID
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So my dad is an atheist and a scientist, and my mom is a full time Christian minister.
I have had lots of time to think about religion and science, especially the way that each “school of philosophy” views death, and I’ve been pretty conflicted in the past (my dad is of the “once you’re dead, you’re worm meat” view, and my mom is of the basic Christian view that you get judged and hopefully go to heaven), but lately I’ve been thinking about something that sort of makes sense to me, in case anyone in interested in hearing it. I’m really not interested in starting any arguments, just wanted to voice an idea that I’ve not heard mention of before.
First off, I am not particularly religious, but I do think that there is and should be a level of spirituality to our lives.
I also believe in the theory of evolution. It does makes sense, right? The physical evolution of species, there is pretty solid scientific evidence for this.
So what if there is a “spiritual evolution?” too?
Most religions believe in some sort of afterlife, and I and many others have had interesting experiences that may or may not point to some sort of life after death. There is some evidence now that there is another dimension — it has been proved mathematically, much in the way that astronomers were able to identify the location of stars in the solar system before they had telescopes powerful enough to verify it. (you can look up author Brian Greene for more information about this, search “string theory, Brian Greene.”)
So let’s just, for a moment, assume that this extra dimension is a sort of “heaven” or if you are so inclined, a “soul holding area.” Take “life after death” literally, and you are more often than not talking about reincarnation. The idea that your soul is separate from your body and can occupy another form after your death. One thing that pokes holes in the theory of reincarnation is the question of “where did all these new souls come from?” The human population is obviously increasing…there weren’t enough people around before for their souls to reincarnate into new individuals. I’ve heard some wacky theories about split souls and all sort of things, but none of them really add up.
Think about this, though…populations of animals are decreasing as the human population increases. It almost seems to happen at the same rate.
My theory is that as we develop spiritually in one life, we evolve to the next being that matches our level of spiritual development. Perhaps you started life billions of years ago as a single-celled organism with “single-celled spirituality.” Then you became a bug, with a bug family and “bug level” spirituality. So on and so forth. Eventually you would work your way up to a more evolved form, like a human. You’d start as a somewhat unevolved human (we all know some of those, right??) And eventually you become an “old soul.” Over time, the human population will evolve spiritually as people become more insightful and introspective. Obviously were not quite there yet. Lol.
So in a sense, we are one with the earth and the animals and beings on it (very Native American, right?)
We are evolving over a period of billions of years (very science-based, no?)
Our ultimate goal is to evolve spiritually to a point of perfect, positive energy, love and enlightenment. (very Zen, and ALSO very “Zion-esque” — a Christian ideal.)
Mush all those things together and voila! My theory of life in a nutshell.
mountaingrl edited this post 1 month, 3 weeks ago. Read the previous text »
Most religions believe in some sort of afterlife, and I and many others have had interesting experiences that may or may not point to some sort of life after death. There is some evidence now that there is another dimension — it has been proved mathematically, much in the way that astronomers were able to identify the location of stars in the solar system before they had telescopes powerful enough to verify it. (you can look up author Brian Greene for more information about this, search “string theory, Brian Greene.”)
So let’s just, for a moment, assume that this extra dimension is a sort of “heaven” or if you are so inclined, a “soul holding area.” Take “life after death” literally, and you are more often than not talking about reincarnation. The idea that your soul is separate from your body and can occupy another form after your death. One thing that pokes holes in the theory of reincarnation is the question of “where did all these new souls come from?” The human population is obviously increasing…there weren’t enough people around before for their souls to reincarnate into new individuals. I’ve heard some wacky theories about split souls and all sort of things, but none of them really add up.
Think about this, though…populations of animals are decreasing as the human population increases. It almost seems to happen at the same rate.
My theory is that as we develop spiritually in one life, we evolve to the next being that matches our level of spiritual development. Perhaps you started life billions of years ago as a single-celled organism with “single-celled spirituality.” Then you became a bug, with a bug family and “bug level” spirituality. So on and so forth. Eventually you would work your way up to a more evolved form, like a human. You’d start as a somewhat unevolved human (we all know some of those, right??) And eventually you become an “old soul.” Over time, the human population will evolve spiritually as people become more insightful and introspective. Obviously were not quite there yet. Lol.
So in a sense, we are one with the earth and the animals and beings on it (very Native American, right?)
We are evolving over a period of billions of years (very science-based, no?)
Our ultimate goal is to evolve spiritually to a point of perfect, positive energy, love and enlightenment. (very Zen, and ALSO very “Zion-esque” — a Christian ideal.)
Mush all those things together and voila! My theory of life in a nutshell.
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Most religions believe in some sort of afterlife, and I and many others have had interesting experiences that may or may not point to some sort of life after death. There is some evidence now that there is another
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