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Democracy.

I feel like a bit of a rant, mainly due to the fact that I’m watching a film called Recount at the minute, it’s about the whole Florida recount fiasco 8 years ago.

Am I the only person who feels that democracy is an extremely flawed concept? Sorry, let me say that again, an extremely flawed method of electing government officials, the concept is good. Personally, I have only recently gained the ability to vote, and I voted in the last Irish general election. Did I have great knowledge or insight into the people I voted for? Hell no. Of course, this is nobodies fault but my own, but a great problem arises when a huge amount of people vote without knowing much about the person they are voting for. Which I believe happens in every election, everywhere in the world. There are always people who research it, who put time and effort into who they think should lead their country, but there are also a huge amount of people who just vote for the sake of voting.

In the last few weeks in the build-up to the US election, I have seen some ridiculous reasons to vote, or to not vote for candidates in this election. For example, the whole Barack Obama birthplace issue seems to be extremely prominent. I do not see how a persons birthplace dictates how good a president they can be as long as they can still win over enough voters to get into power, therefore I see it as irrelevant. I also saw somebody saying that because John McCain stands up and puts his hand across his chest during the national anthem, this deems him a far better candidate tha Obama. While these are the two most prominent examples I can think of, there are certainly many more trivial matters in this election which are totally irrelevant to a persons ability to be a president of a country. Yet these are the kind of things which dictate who does in fact end up in power.

Another major flaw in my opinion, which becomes a greater flaw the bigger the country becomes, is that a person only needs to beat the other candidates in terms of votes. While this may sound like a stupid statement, I will now explain. Take the last Irish election, there were 4-5 big parties, all with different candidates running in each constituency. This meant that a person who only received 20-30% of the votes from said constituency, can still get voted in. Which leaves 70-80% of people having their lives dictated by people whom they never wanted in office in the first place.

I’m not going anywhere really with this, and I don’t have a suitable alternative for Democracy, I just wanted to write out my thoughts on the matter and see if a) they are coherent enough for people to understand, and b) to see what others think of it if they did understand it.

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Anubis offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
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No you see, I make a silly post about favourite drinks (and it is now most popular post of the day, *brags*) and you make an extremely intelligent, topical post and this is what you get. That’s waht book learning gets you! lol

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (34 minutes after post)

Oh and yeah, you would think people would vote based on the policies of the candidates, but nooooo, that’s too simple.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (35 minutes after post)

perhaps massive birth control should be implemented, so we only have countries of a few thousand each, and they vote on everything, not representatives.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (35 minutes after post)

http://help.com/post/213135-elect-a-m…

http://www.smartpunters.com/obamaisan…

I think both these links (The first link simply leads to a racist post, which provides this racist link) proves my point.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (38 minutes after post)

Commander Ikari wrote:
perhaps massive birth control should be implemented, so we only have countries of a few thousand each, and they vote on everything, not representatives.

Birth control not necessary, simply break down each country into smaller communities which vote on everything as you said. I haven’t totally thought out this idea, which is why I did not mention it earlier.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (39 minutes after post)

The US Government spend far too much time trying to STOP people voting in my opinion.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (40 minutes after post)

I dont understand any of it, I never vote, it is a useless (in my oppinion.) exercise.
I just accept what comes, I haven’t noticed any change over the years as the governments change.
They still, always have and always will run the country down and blame each other for it.
I suppose we have to have governments, what their use is, beats me.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (40 minutes after post)

Well I don’t know anything about that on account of my Irishness. Want to explain?

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thep wrote:
I dont understand any of it, I never vote, it is a useless (in my oppinion.) exercise.I just accept what comes, I haven’t noticed any change over the years as the governments change.They still, always have and always will run the country down and blame each other for it.I suppose we have to have governments, what their use is, beats me.

That’s very well put actually. I shall vote it quotable.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (42 minutes after post)

http://help.com/post/213136-someone-s…

Yet another post on the matter about the petty rivalries between Republican and Democratic parties. That’s two posts in less than an hour that support my points.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (43 minutes after post)

Oh, I was just rambling on about my thoughts, on the subject.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (44 minutes after post)

And those ramblings were very relevant to the post and I thought they were very well put! :)

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (44 minutes after post)

While these are the two most prominent examples I can think of, there are certainly many more trivial matters in this election which are totally irrelevant to a persons ability to be a president of a country.

Oh, what about Obama not wearing the pin and supposedly being the Anti-Christ? Lol. :P And the “fact” that John McCain is so extremely old, that he’s going to die off asap if he wins.

Things like that just make me laugh..

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (47 minutes after post)

Just more and more things backing me up. O MY GOD HE’S BLACK HE’S THE ANTI-CHRIST, O MY GOD HE’S OLD HE’S GONNA DIE SOON. Sillyness. Black people can lead countries. Old people can lead countries. It depends on the individual, not the demographic which they fall in to.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (51 minutes after post)

hey…iknowyou wrote:
Just more and more things backing me up. O MY GOD HE’S BLACK HE’S THE ANTI-CHRIST, O MY GOD HE’S OLD HE’S GONNA DIE SOON. Sillyness. Black people can lead countries. Old people can lead countries. It depends on the individual, not the demographic which they fall in to.

Exactly!
And this is horrible .. but I honestly didn’t think there were so many racist people before all this. Maybe it’s just how I was raised or where I grew up ..but ****, I thought we were past that?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (54 minutes after post)

Although come to think of it, the old issue actually does have some relevance as should he die in office than the vice-president would take over. So with that possibility you do need to consider how you would feel should Sarah Palin be in office.

And your right. To me racism makes absolutely no sense. My grandmother is the only truly racist person that I know and I have told her how I feel about the matter, and stopped talking to her on several occasions when she raises any issue to do with the it.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (58 minutes after post)

Although come to think of it, the old issue actually does have some relevance as should he die in office than the vice-president would take over. So with that possibility you do need to consider how you would feel should Sarah Palin be in office.

True. But everyone is acting like he’s so old, he’s just going to die soon — like he’s already so unhealthy that he could just croak at any instant. I mean, personally, I’m for Obama — I just don’t see the need to hate everything about John McCain. I just simply disagree on what he says. I mean, for heaven sakes, his mother is like 96?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour after post)

I know it’s not definitely going to happen or anything, but it is something that a person should keep in mind. He is in his 70’s if I am correct? I’m just saying it is a a realistic possibility so it should be considered, it shouldn’t be a completely deciding factor though.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 3 minutes after post)

hey…iknowyou wrote:
I know it’s not definitely going to happen or anything, but it is something that a person should keep in mind. He is in his 70’s if I am correct? I’m just saying it is a a realistic possibility so it should be considered, it shouldn’t be a completely deciding factor though.

Yes. He’s 72. I think his father died when he was in his 70’s though?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 6 minutes after post)

Were getting off-topic here, I was just saying that that particular point does actually have some relevance to the election since it has the potential to have a major impact should it happen.

Are you old enough to vote tiffany?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 10 minutes after post)

hey…iknowyou wrote:
Were getting off-topic here, I was just saying that that particular point does actually have some relevance to the election since it has the potential to have a major impact should it happen.Are you old enough to vote tiffany?

Sorry for getting a little off topic. :/
Yes, I’m old enough to vote.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 13 minutes after post)

It’s all good :)

And you say your voting for Obama? Do you have much knowledge into his views on relevant issues, his policies on things other than his mainstream policies and what not? I don’t mean to sound condescending, as I have already said in my post I am one of the people who has voted without knowing these things, I am just curious.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)

I think for a first time voter, I’ve done pretty good research. :)
However, I don’t completely agree with everything he says — but the issues I feel are most important, I feel he will do better.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 22 minutes after post)

Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 26 minutes after post)

Good for you actually doing some research in to matter.

But also, you don’t agree with everything he says. This is another flaw which again, becomes a bigger flaw the bigger the country is. How is it possible to get 250 million people to come to an agreement on one person to be president? Hell, in Ireland is possible to get 5 million people to do that? Would it be possible to get a country of 1,000 to do that? No, it would not.

Mister Tony wrote:
Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.

I agree, except for the 2nd last sentence. Voting for the sake of voting isn’t productive.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 33 minutes after post)

But also, you don’t agree with everything he says. This is another flaw which again, becomes a bigger flaw the bigger the country is.

Yes. Sad to say but the US could have the perfect person running and still *someone* would disagree with him on something.

Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ).

I suppose this is a little different (and maybe even a little bad on my part) but one of the other reasons I’m not voting for McCain is *because* of Sarah Palin. Personally, I’m afraid of what could happen if McCain died and she became president.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 38 minutes after post)

♥ tiffany! wrote:
Sad to say but the US could have the perfect person running and still *someone* would disagree with him on something.

Not the US, anywhere. That’s my point. Democracy sucks! It’s very rare that the vast majority of people will have voted for the person who is actually in power.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 43 minutes after post)

Well in the U.S. its the electoral college that votes not really the people. Bush wouldnt be president if the presidency was based on popular votes. Any politics is flawed, I dont really know any stable government without its flaws. Its makes us human

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 44 minutes after post)

Mister Tony wrote:
Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.

Ouch! Any women haters around here?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 45 minutes after post)

Well screw that, I don’t want our countries being run by flawed systems. I may not be smart enough to come up with a suitable alternative, but I’m sure there is someone smart enough to come up with a perfect solution.

libragirl12 wrote:

Mister Tony wrote:
Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.
Ouch! Any women haters around here?

Also, not sexist. She just happens to be an unsuitable candidate from what I’ve gathered.

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libragirl12 wrote:

Mister Tony wrote:
Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.

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No way, I totally would want a woman in the white house im all for that. I would love to see Obama’s wife run for presidency! Have you heard her speak? Simply amazing.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 47 minutes after post)

hey…iknowyou wrote:
Well screw that, I don’t want our countries being run by flawed systems. I may not be smart enough to come up with a suitable alternative, but I’m sure there is someone smart enough to come up with a perfect solution.

libragirl12 wrote:

Mister Tony wrote:
Hey, I wanna share a story with you. I have done a lot of research on both candidates since the beginning of this year. I asked a girl that lives here in Florida the other day ” Who are you voting for” she replied with ” Obama!” I asked her why, what policy of his do you like most? Do you like his VP pick? She had no clue about his policies or who the heck his VP was ( Joe Biden ). In this certain election the VP’s are probably more important to look at then the President…stupid huh? NOT REALLY. Obama is black, and the world as evolved as it is hasn’t fully evolved, so an assassination is not out of the question. In my opinion Obamas VP is more than qualified to lead. Now McCain is a 72 year old man, who could pass away any minute, leaving us with Sarah Palin as President. Dear God if that woman becomes president i will leave this country, she is basically George Bush with longer hair and it terrifies me this woman is so close to power. So when they say this is a very important election, they mean it. RESEARCH. For those that dont VOTE, please dont complain about the President if you didnt vote.Sorry, I ranted there. Just my thoughts.
Ouch! Any women haters around here?

Also, not sexist. She just happens to be an unsuitable candidate from what I’ve gathered.

You gathered correctly LOL

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 51 minutes after post)

Mister Tony wrote:

No way, I totally would want a woman in the white house im all for that. I would love to see Obama’s wife run for presidency! Have you heard her speak? Simply amazing.

Exactly.
Just not that crazy Sarah Palin.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (2 hours, 8 minutes after post)

I agree, though I wouldn’t blame this on the concept on democracy; rather, the blame lies with American ignorance. Yes, I’m saying that about the country I live in.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (2 hours, 19 minutes after post)

No, this ignorance is in every country. You can’t say it is just an American problem.

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hey…iknowyou wrote:
No, this ignorance is in every country. You can’t say it is just an American problem.

Well said. Ignorance is human nature, and i believe America isnt the only country with humans…I think. XD

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Anubis wrote:
No you see, I make a silly post about favourite drinks (and it is now most popular post of the day, *brags*) and you make an extremely intelligent, topical post and this is what you get. That’s waht book learning gets you! lol

what about an extremely intelligent topical ointment?

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Honestly, im not a politic person, but I will mention that no matter who gets into office, it feels as if there won’t be a right awnser.

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hey…iknowyou wrote:
No, this ignorance is in every country. You can’t say it is just an American problem.

Maybe, but other countries bother to learn about places besides themselves. Americans are mournfully shallow-minded.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (4 days, 21 hours after post)

The whole election is just a curtain for people to think they we really do have democracy. As you probably know from watching that movie, voting really doesn’t make a difference. Its all decided before. Its to make us feel like were really participating in our country’s future. Which doesn’t even work in that sense either.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (4 days, 21 hours after post)

I would say who I think decides the future of our country, but I’m afraid to voice that opinion publicly. Freedom?

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (5 days after post)

Or yeh, THAT movie . . . . . . .

And no, it is not decided before. Believe it or not, public opinion does create a difference.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (2 weeks, 3 days after post)

democracy shemocracy!, i left my home country since i was not old enough to vote, then i never voted, heard this and that happening there, new president of change has been in office for years now, i really don’t see any change still, demonstration protests on the streets still happening ever so often, everything is expensive, majority of the people are still very much hungry all the time all the while the very small minority of people are living like kings!

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (1 month, 2 weeks after post)

Nice article!

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (1 month, 2 weeks after post)

But I think you need to think about the alternatives b4 you condemn it.

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