No.
Physically impossible.
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“Many alleged water-fuelled cars obtain hydrogen or a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen (sometimes called “oxyhydrogen”, “HHO”, or “Brown’s Gas”) by the electrolysis of water, a process that must be powered electrically. The hydrogen or oxyhydrogen is then burned, supposedly powering the car and also providing the energy to electrolyse more water. The overall process can be represented by the following chemical equations:
2H2O → 2H2 + O2 [Electrolysis step]
2H2 + O2 → 2H2O [Combustion step]
Since the combustion step is the exact reverse of the electrolysis step, the energy released in combustion exactly equals the energy consumed in the electrolysis step, and—even assuming 100% efficiency—there would be no energy left over to power the car. In other words, such systems start and end in the same thermodynamic state, and are therefore perpetual motion machines, violating the first law of thermodynamics. And under actual conditions in which hydrogen is burned, efficiency is limited by the second law of thermodynamics and is likely to be around 20%.[7][8] More energy is therefore required to drive the electrolysis cell than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture.”
Thanks Ikari. I did think it was suspicious that the example shown in the report was a supposedly gas-water hybrid, and not a car powered solely by water.
And LolNo, for an unconfirmed user with no track record of intelligent replies, calling someone you don’t know names is an inauspicious start.
Well I don’t know enough about it to argue my case too well, but from what I do know there are small scale water powered objects like batteries that are currently being developed. I would not believe that the technology is anywhere near where it needs to be to power a car at the minute, but perhaps if more research is done into the area than maybe it will end up being an alternative fuel source.
Is it some kind of alternative fuel chopper, SoulRising?
“First of all I have a Ph.D. and work for a company that conducts studies looking into alternative fuels. I’ve looked at battery technology, fuel cells, alternative fuels (natural gas, propane, plug in etc). I caught the last 5 minutes of the show last night and was wondering what was going on. I didn’t see the whole thing so I can’t comment entirely. Vehicles do run off of hydrogen. The big challenge is the storage, conversion, or flow from the hydrogen source. Hydrogen in it’s gas state is pretty useless (not enough storage capacity unless you pressurize it (Who wants a highly flammable, pressurized tank of fuel on a motorcycle say “YEAH” ). You wouldn’t get around the block on a tank of low pressure gaseous hydrogen. So then you are into liquid hydrogen storage under pressure. This is what they are doing currently and what most studies are into, how to do this safely by either using metals that absorb hydrogen (i.e. platinum) or different storage vessel configurations that won’t go boom and blow up your whole neighborhood sending the local 7 eleven sky high. So this leads me to electrolysis. You cannot make enough hydrogen locally (meaning on the vehicle) to power the vehicle. It takes more energy for electrolysis and hydrogen capture then you get from hydrogen power. In addition, electrolysis splits the molecule. Hydrogen / Water and it’s by product. So before you can do electrolysis you need distilled water, not monster energy drink. I’ll try this experiment at work today and report back. I’ll fill up a beaker with monster, pump some voltage into it (Should bubble with 1.8V) and measure if I get any hydrogen off of it. Well call it Thumperbusters.
In conclusion, I work pretty close on this topic, read the published literature, attend scientific conferences on the topic and have never seen or heard of a locally producing hydrogen fuel engine at the breadboard level (Scientific term pile of parts on a table) let alone a functioning prototype. If this is true, I have to get better at my job.”
I just thought I should post this comment that a user left at the link soulrising provided. It’s very relevant. Just be clear it is not my own words however.
Good reply Hey..iknowyou. Now YOU could have called me a moron and I wouldn’t have objected.
Question: what is hydrogen 3?
sansceriph wrote:
Is it some kind of alternative fuel chopper, SoulRising?
Yes Sans, sorry I was still looking for a pic, it is a crazy looking chopper, the color of alien green. It was built as the Monster (drink) Chopper, it has been in some sort of turmoil, does not seem to be getting approval or the “green light” to be released to the public. idk I thought it would go over big
sansceriph wrote:
Good reply Hey..iknowyou. Now YOU could have called me a moron and I wouldn’t have objected.
Question: what is hydrogen 3?
Really, I can call you a moron and you won’t object?! :P
hey…iknowyou wrote:
sansceriph wrote:
Good reply Hey..iknowyou. Now YOU could have called me a moron and I wouldn’t have objected.
Question: what is hydrogen 3?
Really, I can call you a moron and you won’t object?! :P
lol, go ahead, you’re speaking from knowledge and I was just throwing out a questionable video link to see what people thought, kind of like testing to see if spaghetti is ready by slinging a piece of it on the wall.
Lol, I was just joking anyway :)
But as I said in my comment, I don’t actually know much about the topic! My long reply was simply copied and pasted from a link SoulRising provided.
just to be the idiot who disagrees here, i think a water powered car off of electrolsis is possible. i personally have an electrolytic cell in my garage that i play with, but i dont have the funds to make a very good one and run an engine. first, if the laws of thermodynamics are true, then god exists, which can be hard to believe… anyway, if we are considering them, i propose we place speakers near the engine to pick up the noise it makes and turn it into electricity to help fill the gap between the electrolosis-combustion energy loss. also, we could experiment with putting some water in the cyllinder with the HHO gas, as it burns very hot and from my research could instantly turn the water into steam..steam is more dense than air?? moves the piston more efficiently?? maybe, im not sure about that part.. we could also replace the alternator with a permanent magnet one, to save energy on the coils, and with a larger alternator, with more windings, more electricity can be generated, like on wind turbines, and help with the loss…. i think its possible..
oh!! and the cars are run as gas-HHO hybrids because the intense heat of the hydrogen combustion wears out the engine, so mainly gasoline is still used.. anyone heard of stan meyer?? he made a dune buggy run on only water..
bluflames83 wrote:
just to be the idiot who disagrees here, i think a water powered car off of electrolsis is possible. i personally have an electrolytic cell in my garage that i play with, but i dont have the funds to make a very good one and run an engine. first, if the laws of thermodynamics are true, then god exists, which can be hard to believe… anyway, if we are considering them, i propose we place speakers near the engine to pick up the noise it makes and turn it into electricity to help fill the gap between the electrolosis-combustion energy loss. also, we could experiment with putting some water in the cyllinder with the HHO gas, as it burns very hot and from my research could instantly turn the water into steam..steam is more dense than air?? moves the piston more efficiently?? maybe, im not sure about that part.. we could also replace the alternator with a permanent magnet one, to save energy on the coils, and with a larger alternator, with more windings, more electricity can be generated, like on wind turbines, and help with the loss…. i think its possible..
Not really, you’d never get 100% efficiency, and even if you did, it would never get any energy to power the car.
Congrats Obama! wrote:
bluflames83 wrote:
just to be the idiot who disagrees here, i think a water powered car off of electrolsis is possible. i personally have an electrolytic cell in my garage that i play with, but i dont have the funds to make a very good one and run an engine. first, if the laws of thermodynamics are true, then god exists, which can be hard to believe… anyway, if we are considering them, i propose we place speakers near the engine to pick up the noise it makes and turn it into electricity to help fill the gap between the electrolosis-combustion energy loss. also, we could experiment with putting some water in the cyllinder with the HHO gas, as it burns very hot and from my research could instantly turn the water into steam..steam is more dense than air?? moves the piston more efficiently?? maybe, im not sure about that part.. we could also replace the alternator with a permanent magnet one, to save energy on the coils, and with a larger alternator, with more windings, more electricity can be generated, like on wind turbines, and help with the loss…. i think its possible..
Not really, you’d never get 100% efficiency, and even if you did, it would never get any energy to power the car.
are the things we use now 100% efficient?? how do we know until we try?? im not sure i know what you mean with getting any energy. you get energy from the combustion. you get energy back from the alternator. you get energy from the sound of the engine….im seeing getting energy three times right?? and the only energy you used is to separate the water…
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