“Stop asking good questions about religion! Whhhaaaaaa!
It’s making me think and it hurts, Whhhaaaaaa!”
Oh, sorry. Just predicting the types of replies we’ll be seeing.
Would you invite your friends?
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Dude, I have like, 157 friends…
I’m not sure I want to start a debate. I’m sincerely interested in how many people theists think exist.
If you don’t want to. You could be discretionary and invite only theists maybe.
Maybe if someone shows me the mass invite button again… I’m too stoned to invite everyone.
i guess as much as ppl are fuicking god sits there and throws souls to this world :P
But I’m not sure that provides a mathematical function to determine the max.
I assume that when you are talking about the Abrahamic religions you are talking about the Muslim, Jewish and Christian faith. Any person that has dealt with the spiritual knows that there is something beyond this physical realm. People have tried to reach the souls of the dead outside of these faiths in the hope of futher contact with the dead through seances etc. I dont presume to know how many souls are out there but I am concerned about my own soul. I know that I am more than physical because I have a struggle within my soul against good and evil. As religions have all recorded mans struggle between good and evil and that these souls will give an account to person they believe is their creator God I guess that puts us in the figures on 100’s of billions.
We’re already in the hundreds of billions. Is it some number like 777,777,777,777? In which the Armageddon occurs instantaneously? Some number like 666,666,666,666 in which people are suddenly unable to reproduce and the trials and tribulations begin? I’m wondering what the final tally is.
You shouldn’t think sbout it too much… When and even IF the day comes, we will all worry about it then… Don’t spend your living life wondering what your or anyone elses dead life will be or be like…
I don’t. I’m just messing around. These questions are important to theists. Not me.
Verum Causa wrote:
But I’m not sure that provides a mathematical function to determine the max.
no such thing as max , max is just a word to make math make sense ^_^
Verum Causa wrote:
I don’t. I’m just messing around. These questions are important to theists. Not me.
Ok, I was just giving my point of view =]…
tricky wrote:
Verum Causa wrote:
But I’m not sure that provides a mathematical function to determine the max.
no such thing as max , max is just a word to make math make sense ^_^
Well. Since all individuals, according to theists, are unique, and there will one day be a judgment day, in which all souls are judged, a theist must assume that the number of people that can exist are finite. Surely they must have some idea about that final number. Surely they must have some response to twins and clones.
And by theist, I am referring to theists of the Abrahamic religions. No offense to Buddhists, Taoists, Confucianists, Hindus, etc.
Verum Causa wrote:
tricky wrote:
Verum Causa wrote:
But I’m not sure that provides a mathematical function to determine the max.
no such thing as max , max is just a word to make math make sense ^_^
Well. Since all individuals, according to theists, are unique, and there will one day be a judgment day, in which all souls are judged, a theist must assume that the number of people that can exist are finite. Surely they must have some idea about that final number. Surely they must have some response to twins and clones.
ok your thinking i guess is all wrong , soul isnt matter so it doesnt cover space so all the soul will be fit into 1 cubit of feet is that what you are worried about that they will not fit :D lol
If a soul is unique, and all will be judged - according to theists - there must be a finite number of souls. As in, there just won’t keep being people. There will be some end to reproduction. I’m just wondering what theists think that final number is, and what they think about twins and clones.
I’m not talking anything about volume. I’m talking about quantity.
Verum Causa wrote:
If a soul is unique, and all will be judged - according to theists - there must be a finite number of souls. As in, there just won’t keep being people. There will be some end to reproduction. I’m just wondering what theists think that final number is, and what they think about twins and clones.
there is no number god can create as much as souls as he want . can you stop him :P but we can :D lol if i dont fuick a girl god cant give a soul ^_^ wow i didnt know that :D new info for me :D good for me :D lol
According to theists, he’s going to decide when he stops creating unique souls. I’m asking what they think that final number would be. But yeah, I’m not having kids either. For reasons other than the one you mentioned.
Besides, theists claims that each soul is unique conflicts with their idea that each soul has the same capabilities. If anything, unique isn’t the word to describe it. Independent might be better for them.
Verum Causa wrote:
According to theists, he’s going to decide when he stops creating unique souls. I’m asking what they think that final number would be. But yeah, I’m not having kids either. For reasons other than the one you mentioned.
i think theist are just ignorant ^_^ there own believes contradicts itself ^_^… how can god judge you if he already knows what will happen that is just plain stupid :D lol
Theists are fascinating people to study.
I’m just disappointed that I haven’t gotten an answer from true believers yet specifically and directly addressing the core question.
theist is based on ignorance and not asking question , they assume that logic is just an illusion trying to get the way btw you and god ^_^ i was one :P so i know what am talking about :D
idk, I don’t believe in “judgement day” to be honest. It just seems even more rediculous than half the other theories out there.
well jesus said if somebody does you harm you should forgive him 7 * 77 times so basically we should forgive ppl everytime i wonder how come god doesnt do the same :D makes you wonder ^_^
Verum Causa wrote:
I don’t. I’m just messing around. These questions are important to theists. Not me.
They really aren’t, as this post shows. Christianity for the average person in everyday life is something to believe in, not something that is a datum for extended logical empirical objective research. I’m confident saying this as I have talked to truckloads of them.
Why the assumption that the number has a maximum. Sure, according to the myth, there is an end so at that point the number will stop increasing, but why would there be any threshold beyond that.
Also, you number for the amount of souls I think is way to high by a factor aof about 7. If you ignore the all too funky bonobos and other non-homoerectus people, then the number is about 106 billion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_po…
This doesn’t answer your question at all, but I don’t think your going to get the kind of answer you want from a theist.
Thanks for the invite.
Right. I knew the number of people to have ever lived was roughly estimated to be around one hundred billion people. Thank you for supporting that. I’m just thinking about the final number.
Why would the final number be any different?
Maybe i’m just confused. I don’t understand why you would seperate the final number from the number of peoplel that died. (thats how it appears)
When I said final number, I meant final number of people who ever will live summed with the people who have lived.
In thats case, as I said, I’m just getting mixed up sorry!
That’s all right. Thank you for reading this.
Verum Causa wrote:
…I’m just thinking about the final number.
Whoops, right you are.
Number of people to have died : 100 billion
Number of people alive : 7 billion
Total number of people to have died by the rapture/Apocalypse/Armageddon + the number of people alive at that time : ????
but that’s the number of souls a god would have to judge.
On the right page now verum?
Yep. I think we’re all reading from the same script now.
off topic, but I had a similar conversation with reincarnation believing Buddhist. It works with stable populations but if they increase or decline…
Can’t attempt to answer your question, accept with “enough”. I’ll leave it to the theists.
I’m having a bit of a blonde moment, but I’m assuming you mean religious believers rather than Atheists, right?
Right. I want religious people to answer the questions. By the way, according to standard grammar, atheists or any variation of the word isn’t capitalized in a sentence.
Maybe I’m missing a certain religious doctrine statement, but wouldn’t those previous 100 billion souls already be judged? I mean they’re dead, so I’m sure they’re not sitting patiently in a waiting room for dr. god to call them in and diagnose their sins. lol
Sorry for the satire and blatent blasphemy but that just made me speculate their situation. Surely they wouldn’t have to wait for our present existence numbers, and all the multitudinous people yet to come in order to have their rights read to them.
Lol. Touche. I’ve just always capitialized it like any of the other beliefs. Christianity, Judaism, Moralism, etc.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly call myself a theist, but I have faith in God. As for your question, I’ve honestly never thought about it that way. I like to think of my beliefs as my own. I don’t follow some strict “instruction” from a certian strain of religion. I have my own thought structure, and I focus on what I think is right and moral, but on my own reasonings.
For example, yes, I believe in the scriptures, but at the same time, I don’t see anything wrong with homosexuality, marriage, or abortion. What I DO think is wrong, is stupid people who try to sit around and say that they won’t “allow” it because it goes against THEIR beliefs. I personally would not abort a child because it’s not my thing, and I’m not gay. But if someone wants to have a CHOICE in what they do with their own body, then that’s none of my, or anyone else’s business.
Sorry, a little off-topic. If I could answer the question, I would. But I’m not going to sit here and give out some random answer just to look superior. Lol. Like I said, I’ve never actually thought about it myself, but I have a feeling I’m going to be pondering for a while.
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1 year ago (4 hours, 7 minutes after post)
~Grace~ wrote:
I believe in the scriptures, but at the same time, I don’t see anything wrong with homosexuality
I like your conclusion, but I assert that you don’t believe in the scriptures, and that you haven’t read them. Why, because you seem like a decent person and decent people who have read them are against them.
Verum Causa wrote:
Right. I want religious people to answer the questions. By the way, according to standard grammar, atheists or any variation of the word isn’t capitalized in a sentence.
I’m religious but I just don’t believe in a judgement day. Isn’t this what jehovas think?
I don’t know. I’m supposed to be more familiar with your religious beliefs than you? Sorry. Not trying to be rude or curt. Just asking.
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1 year ago (4 hours, 20 minutes after post)
Karma Amelia wrote:
Verum Causa wrote:
Right. I want religious people to answer the questions. By the way, according to standard grammar, atheists or any variation of the word isn’t capitalized in a sentence.
I’m religious but I just don’t believe in a judgement day. Isn’t this what jehovas think?
Are you of the Abrahamic religions?
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1 year ago (4 hours, 24 minutes after post)
Verum Causa wrote:
I don’t know. I’m supposed to be more familiar with your religious beliefs than you? Sorry. Not trying to be rude or curt. Just asking.
Religions are about cake bake sales, music and singing, relationship advice, community and emotional support, finding a partner, connection and trust, non-threatening alpha male leader and much more. I’m not being rude, I think that’s awesome, and I wish I could get back in, but my integrity won’t allow it.
Karma Amelia wrote:
Verum Causa wrote:
Right. I want religious people to answer the questions. By the way, according to standard grammar, atheists or any variation of the word isn’t capitalized in a sentence.
I’m religious but I just don’t believe in a judgement day. Isn’t this what jehovas think?
Jehovah’s Wittnesses do believe in armeggeddon, just in a different way. They believe that 144,000 people will go to heaven. These being The Anointed Ones, pre-chosen in other words. The ones who aren’t in “The Truth” stay asleep, they don’t believe in hell. Those who are Jehovah’s Wittnesses, go to The New System, or paradise which is after the Earth is renewed.
Anonymous wrote:
~Grace~ wrote:
I believe in the scriptures, but at the same time, I don’t see anything wrong with homosexuality
I like your conclusion, but I assert that you don’t believe in the scriptures, and that you haven’t read them. Why, because you seem like a decent person and decent people who have read them are against them.
That’s why I mentioned I have my OWN beliefs as well. It’s hard to explain, but the scriptures to me, are like a guide. They are they to give a sum-up of a lot of things. I personally think, people take them too literally. When it all comes down to it, it’s explaining morals.
Like I’ve explain before (ages ago I think, in another post) I look at it like this, the Bible/Qu’ran/Torah are extremely old. Yes, it still applies, but it’s sort of like a rulebook you give to a child. When we’re young, we don’t realize how big, wide and dangeorus the world is. We aren’t able to logically know dangers until we’re taught to avoid them. By either our parents telling us so, or learning ourselves. For example. A 2-year-old shouldn’t be near a stove because they don’t understand that it’s hot, and they can’t responsibly learn to use it properly. However, once they get older, they’re cooking on their own (sometimes with help making cookies, etc) and pretty soon cooking their own meals with it.
My point is, if you take the scriptures too literally, you’re only going to end up running your life trying to balance on a tight-rope. Yes, their are things taught in them that ARE indefinite and cannot be taken any other way. The Ten Commandments. There is nothing in the commandments that say “men and women ONLY” or “Thou shalt be allowed to judge others and verbally tell them they’re going to hell”.
Also, lets not forget that back in those times, SLAVES were allowed. Yet all of a sudden in modern times it’s considered cruel and barbaric. Why? Because we learnt the decency of humanity. Why is homosexuality becoming less and less of a judgmented thing as time goes by? Because we’re learning that we should keep our noses out of other people’s bedrooms. I honestly don’t give a flying faeces that God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve bullspit. That’s a copout. I would like to think that if we can learn to be open-minded and mind our own beeswax, it was intended to work out that way. Rules don’t change (commandments) guidelines CAN.
I personally believe that the reason we were “advised” in the beginning that “a man should not lie with another man or a woman with a woman” is because we were still young in mind, we didn’t know how to use it “responsibly”. Also, like I’ve said many times. God created love. Satan can not weild it, bend it, play around with it or break it. So therefore, Satan or sin has nothing to do with homosexuals. Love is pure, it cannot be anything BUT. Satan cannot destroy what God has created purely. Humans sinned, not love. Therefore, love is perfect. It cannot have flaws.
I never claimed that I was a strict obsessor with the scriptures. I already stated that I also have some of my own beliefs and I don’t follow a complete ritual or instruction. Shoot, if we’re supposed to do that, then why aren’t we still walking in sandals and long robes, instead of driving cars and kicking beggars suffering from leprosy and stoning people?
The times matured, the technology has matured, why can’t we roll with the changes and grow up too?
Anonymous wrote:
Karma Amelia wrote:
Verum Causa wrote:
Right. I want religious people to answer the questions. By the way, according to standard grammar, atheists or any variation of the word isn’t capitalized in a sentence.
I’m religious but I just don’t believe in a judgement day. Isn’t this what jehovas think?
Are you of the Abrahamic religions?
No.
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1 year ago (5 hours, 5 minutes after post)
~Grace~ wrote:
That’s why I mentioned I have my OWN beliefs as well…
I wont clog up the post anymore after this, but I read that twice and all I got was you pointing out what’s broken about the scriptures. They state that those who edit and change them are going to hell. You have shown you don’t believe in most of the scriptures and you have a brain and are a decent person ( cool! ), and maybe one day you can take the next step and see that the whole religion thing is bogus.
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1 year ago (5 hours, 7 minutes after post)
Karma Amelia wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Are you of the Abrahamic religions?
No.
Then the post isn’t addressing you. What religion are you a part of?
Anonymous wrote:
Karma Amelia wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Are you of the Abrahamic religions?
No.
Then the post isn’t addressing you. What religion are you a part of?
Thats personal. I wasn’t implying the post addressed me, that doesn’t mean I can’t be involved.
Forgive me, Anon. But I don’t see where I edited or changed any scriptures. I just have a different point of view of what is written. I don’t deny them, and I don’t rebel against them. I just see the teachings in a different light and try not to take it too literally. That’s all I was pointing out.
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1 year ago (5 hours, 20 minutes after post)
Karma Amelia wrote:
Thats personal. I wasn’t implying the post addressed me, that doesn’t mean I can’t be involved.
Apologies Karma, I just realised how bad a mood I’m in. Was trying to say that the post was specifically asking about the judgement referred to in the Abrahamic religions, but of course everyone can be involved. I’ll get myself some food and see if I can figure out whats bugging me instead of upsetting lovely help.com’ers
Hehe. I’m not upset. I apologize if it seemed that way. I usually like to discuss religion in detail is all, and it seems like sometimes people take it as an argument when it’s never my intention.
Anonymous wrote:
Karma Amelia wrote:
Thats personal. I wasn’t implying the post addressed me, that doesn’t mean I can’t be involved.
Apologies Karma, I just realised how bad a mood I’m in. Was trying to say that the post was specifically asking about the judgement referred to in the Abrahamic religions, but of course everyone can be involved. I’ll get myself some food and see if I can figure out whats bugging me instead of upsetting lovely help.com’ers
I’ve studied religion for a very long time, I enjoy discussing things and it helps with the work i’m doing now.
Thank you for your apology. Is there is anything I can do to get you out of your bad mood? I feel very similar so if you can think of anything (other than food) then let me know!
The answer is one. Any number you see above that, is the number of veils you must tear away to see the Truth.
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1 year ago (6 hours, 8 minutes after post)
~Grace~ wrote:
Hehe. I’m not upset….
Cool your not upset, and if you like discussing religion, happy to continue, but created new post so as to stop filling this one up. http://help.com/post/221296-as-a-chri…
Karma Amelia wrote:
Is there is anything I can do to get you out of your bad mood? I feel very similar so if you can think of anything (other than food) then let me know!
Thanks for that, I’ll let you know.
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1 year ago (6 hours, 33 minutes after post)
Junaid wrote:
The answer is one. Any number you see above that, is the number of veils you must tear away to see the Truth.
God has one more soul left to give out? wow, better get in quick.
Anonymous wrote:
~Grace~ wrote:
Hehe. I’m not upset….
Cool your not upset, and if you like discussing religion, happy to continue, but created new post so as to stop filling this one up. http://help.com/post/221296-as-a-chri…
Karma Amelia wrote:
Is there is anything I can do to get you out of your bad mood? I feel very similar so if you can think of anything (other than food) then let me know!
Thanks for that, I’ll let you know.
Please do :)
Well, you see, god was *supposed* to create some sort of Armageddon or apocalypse of some sort. But, eh… didn’t happen!
im kinda of confused about the question…lol *blonde*
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well perhaprs judgement day is comming up. Maybe not in our life time..Wasnt it notradomis who said judgment day would be in 2012 or somtime like that…
If I have learned anything on this site is that you don’t discuss politics or religion. I have seen some good people banned because of it and I have seen some bad people get away with calling other people names and insulting them and not be banned themselves. I don’t know if I want to offer my views or opinions on this subject. Sorry!
littlenick wrote:
If I have learned anything on this site is that you don’t discuss politics or religion. I have seen some good people banned because of it and I have seen some bad people get away with calling other people names and insulting them and not be banned themselves. I don’t know if I want to offer my views or opinions on this subject. Sorry!
Thanks for the HU littlenick, that makes me sad to hear, but it’s good to know.
There are somethings we don’t understand my friend. Personally, I’m a Christian and just try to live by faith. Live each day as best I can and knowing there is an after-life gives me a foundation to be happy with living this life.
Anonymous wrote:
Junaid wrote:
The answer is one. Any number you see above that, is the number of veils you must tear away to see the Truth.
God has one more soul left to give out? wow, better get in quick.
I was responding to this question:
“How many freakin’ souls are there?”
Junaid wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Junaid wrote:
The answer is one. Any number you see above that, is the number of veils you must tear away to see the Truth.
God has one more soul left to give out? wow, better get in quick.
I was responding to this question:
“How many freakin’ souls are there?”
and you think there is only one soul? How would this metaphore work?
chunkymove wrote:
Junaid wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Junaid wrote:
The answer is one. Any number you see above that, is the number of veils you must tear away to see the Truth.
God has one more soul left to give out? wow, better get in quick.
I was responding to this question:
“How many freakin’ souls are there?”
and you think there is only one soul? How would this metaphore work?
Maybe all human souls are part of a main soul, which would be a “God” or “Goddess”.
Xeno Dragon wrote:
Maybe all human souls are part of a main soul, which would be a “God” or “Goddess”.
Sounds like the hindu creation story, always liked that one myself.
I’d like to think I won’t make it till Judgement; another way to shove me in a box of percentages and seeing if I’ll fit in with the “heavenly crowd” doesn’t feel appealing at all.
(for the past week or so I’ve been a bit paranoid, it’s all one big you vs. me) All this tiny tip of the iceberg is all of you being alive, souls fade or gain power after death in my humble thinking - so only the few powerful ones will be/are there or here.. whatever I am suposed to be calling this place. Isn’t this little globe just purgatory or the waiting room, we judge ourselves and those we see - leaves little work for the grand finale.
chunkymove wrote:
and you think there is only one soul? How would this metaphore work?
We focus on the droplets of water, and thereby we miss the view of the Ocean.
Human creature is like an animal that was raised from the earth, but there exists that divine spark in each of us, some more apparent than others. The soul is from the divine Breath of the Spirit of God. This knowledge is found in the Qur’an, the Bible, and many other Books.
If we go through this life, identifying our ’self’ as the lower animal self, what will happen to us when the world is destroyed and there remains nothing but the Face of God?
There is only One God, anything we worship or make an idol out of other than God, is simply a veil which we have become blinded by.
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Beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase ‘each other’
doesn’t make sense any more.
– Jelaluddin Rumi
How about we just wait till we die and find out then?
So, I never get involved with these discussions, or discussions in general on this site…but its thanksgiving, and i’m at work…so I might as well.
I am a “theist”. I am a Christian. I believe that the Bible is flawless and timeless.
That being said, I do not like to say that I am a Christian, because so many hateful, selfrighteous and judgemental people also call themselves that.
As to the question of souls….why does it matter? From a theistic point of view: If I believe in a God who is all knowing, all seeing and all powerful, and if the God says he will judge all souls, why do I need to worry about the numerical value of said souls?
(By the way, the majority of Biblical scholars will tell you that the souls that are being judged are from the time of Christ on, not from the beginning of creation. According to the New Testament, when Jesus was dead for 3 days, he delt with all past souls.)
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adjkfoalk789 wrote:
According to the New Testament, when Jesus was dead for 3 days, he delt with all past souls.
Hi,
Could you please provide a reference or passage to support that? It was not something I had heard before.
Junaid wrote:
adjkfoalk789 wrote:
According to the New Testament, when Jesus was dead for 3 days, he delt with all past souls.
Hi,
Could you please provide a reference or passage to support that? It was not something I had heard before.
As far as I know, this is more the catholic interpretation than a literal reading of the bible.
Ok, thanks for your answer.
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