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I need to recognize and escape controlling people.

For example, recently I asked a friend if he could take a gift to someone (an item I already owned and that this person had wanted), since he was going to be right in the area. (I just moved back to a small town and do not have a car yet as I did not need one before.) He said it was no problem, as he would be right there.

Later that evening, he said to me that I now needed to make sure I send a thank you card as well as a small token of thanks. I told him that I all ready intended to give a thank you card. He then insisted I send this token of thanks as well, and even said that I needed to do it as it was the right thing to do and that if I didn’t do it he would make me do it!

This really stressed me out. I am severely broke from my move, and do not have extra money right now. He was so insistent that I do the right thing, that I am scared if he finds out I cannot afford it he will think I am making up an excuse and get mad, which I am not.

Then the other day I was making out some cards to send out. I needed the name of someone to include on one, and called him up to ask it. He gave it to me and then said, “do you have their postal address?’

“Yes, I have it,” I told him.

“What is it?” He asked.

“I do not know it off hand,” I said, “but it is in my address book.”

“Well then, write it down. I will give it to you.”

“I don’t need to write it down. I have it.”

“Then go get it or write it down.”

I was so frustrated that I just decided to write it down to get him to stop being so bossy, and so I went to get a piece of paper. I was looking on a cluttered desk, and he said to me, “you don’t have it yet?”

I asked him to hold on, as I was looking for paper. He seemed to be really annoyed or offended or something, because he said to me, “HOLD ON???” as if he was offended that I asked him to hold on!

I wrote it down, feeling very annoyed the whole time that he was making me do this. Then he asked if I wanted anything else, and I said not and got off. Whew!!!

Talking to him stresses me out because I do not know if he will be angry at me or not. If I say something he does not agree with, he jumps on me and interrupts and will not let me continue.

But the worst is that he expects me to respond to him, but he will not reply to me. For example, about a eight months ago, I was having a bad time of things. He kept trying to give me advice so much so that it was becoming intrusive and adding stress to the situation, so I did not call him even though I had said I would.

About five months later, I called him up and he was so angry at me. He said he had been so irritated and furious that he had gone to see a spiritual director to get help with how angry he was. He claimed that he had wanted very much to be of help to me, but that when I never called back he was enraged I would not let him help me.

Yet some time back, there was a ceremony I could not attend. He promised to send photos and tell me how it went. He never did. So a month later I asked for them, and he ignored me. Another month or so went by and I asked again, and he ignored me again. Just never replied or anything. Now if I had done that to him, I think he would have been infuriated!!!

I really think this person is extremely controlling, and was wondering what others think. If he is, how can I get away from him without him becoming so infuriated again? I do not want him bad mouthing me to people that I was this jerk who just stopped communicating with him. On top of that, I am scared how he is going to act when he finds out I cannot afford to send the token of appreciation that he said I should.

Not sure what to do.

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barely offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (12 minutes after post)

For starters he is a controlling personality, you see that already. Second he has anger management issues, be careful in his presence. I think I would avoid any contact and tell him that you will not allow him or anyone else to treat you so disrespectfully, which is exactly what he’s doing when he treats you as a lesser or simple minded person.

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Felicity offline Verified User (1 year, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 8 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (13 minutes after post)

TRy hodu.com theres a category for how to deal with difficult people.Or another ‘effective communication’ site.There is also a book called Sandpaper people,probably info can be found on the net for this too.Also since you can spot these behaviors know its their problem ,not yours so dont take it personally.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (27 minutes after post)

Thanks for the advice. It is just a really touchy situation because I am really good friends with his sister. I actually became friends with him because of this other friendship. So just blocking him out could cause problems with her. I do not want him badmouthing me to her, and I do not want to tell her I think he is controlling and upset her.

Plus, I do not know how to stand up for myself. Like when he was demanding I take an address I knew I all ready had, I wish I could have just found some way to make him stop being so demanding without upsetting him. But I do not know how to do that and it stresses me out.

Thanks!

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (34 minutes after post)

I understand you’re worried about another friendship but it was in place before he came along. Just be honest about your feelings, if this friend is true she’ll understand despite it being her brother. Besides I’m pretty sure you’ll not be telling her anything new.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (36 minutes after post)

You are right though, it is a touchy situation.. You may need to proceed slowly with her to not create a problem.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 3 minutes after post)

This jerk needs to be confronted, put in his place or he will continue .Odds are if he treats someone outside the family like this it is worse with those he is close to. The question is will it be you? The answer to that depends on how much you think he is capable of doing physical harm.If you think he is then the best time to put him in his place is when other people are around, there is safety in numbers.Every time someone complies with him, even on the seemingly small things it is giving him their control,therefore taking control from you,them.So everytime you don’t give in will show him he cannot go around manipulating people.Where there is a taker there is a giver,dONT GIVE, dont allow it to happen.so give this some thought. Theres a phrase i like’ we teach people how we want to be treated’ if your not sure what this means let me know and i will elaborate.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 8 minutes after post)

Good call Felicity, :O Yayyy

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Felicity offline Verified User (1 year, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 8 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (1 hour, 16 minutes after post)

Barely wrote:
Good call Felicity, :O Yayyy

Thanks, i needed that.I havent been up to par lately, maybe im getting my mojo back.lol You do a good job yourself BTW :)

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Juliet21 offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (2 hours, 5 minutes after post)

Thanks. The confusing part is that he can be a great person in a lot of ways. For example, he helped me move all of my things 1,000 miles some years back. He took time off from work to do this.

But then, even though I also paid him a thousand dollars for doing this, he got so angry at me when I did not call for a period of time (again because he was trying to give me too much advice and it was becoming frustrating.) He claimed it upset him so much that he would go out of his way to do that for me, and then I did not call him - that it was not about the money but that he cared. So that made me feel really bad because he had gone out of his way.

And he has really helped his sister in a huge way with a major life issue - she ended up having a wonderful dream of hers come true because he supported her and helped her in a way no one else did, even though it ended up costing him in the end. He wanted her to be happy more than for him to be selfish, which most people would not have done.

So I have a hard time seeing him as a jerk and I do not think he would ever be physically abusive. He always says that he is all about tough love and that people tell him he is tough but fair, and that he is always about doing the right thing, etc. And he does give great advice sometimes when it comes to tough situations. I like when he is fair about stuff - when he lets me talk and hears me out without interrupting - but when he gets bossy and picky it gets stressful.

I guess I cannot see him as a jerk or a bad person.

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Felicity offline Verified User (1 year, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 8 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (2 hours, 44 minutes after post)

Excuse me? a great person? I think you have blinders on.Its obvious YOur thinking is clouded by what hes done for you and others.When we do something for others we should not expect anything in return. He does.He expects you to do things his way and his way alone.What is right and healthy for one person is not necessarily right and/or healthy for another. Had you not paid him would he have helped you? I think not.Im sorry to be so blunt but its just the way I see it.And Im not saying he is a monster of sorts but anyone who manipulates others is not loving or beneficial to a worthy relationship,in this case with you ,a worthy person.He is taking more from you than you think,your self-respect for one.Things that are unseen.Imagine for a minute you see someone treating a person in the way he treated you and that person just went along with this guy for the sake of an arguement.When i see this I lose self-respect for that person who just took the abuse.YO say he helped his sister.does he rub it in how generous he was or expected anything in return? if so he has got her in the palm of his hands too. Like i said he is probably not a monster, most peoples problems in this area especially is they themselves have blinders on,they are unaware of their demanding ways ,not totally but to some extent.This does NOT excuse it though .It just means its done subconsciously so its going to take someone to point things out to them to make them WANT to change their ways. This can be done in the smallest of ways , we learn life mostly by example so if you choose to step up to the plate it will take careful and subtle words and may be some work but it will be worth it. You could start conversations with; ‘you give great advice’and work in how that advice may work for someone else but its not for me. or ‘your a great listener and work from that…since hes not abusive i say if your ready for it,go for it, you will be doing him adn anyone he comes in contact with a great favor.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 hours after post)

A good way to handle people that get defensive easily are with statements that begin with “I”.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 hours, 2 minutes after post)

I feel you get upset easily, I see this as manipulative, I get upset when you act this way, etc.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year ago (3 hours, 3 minutes after post)

This takes the defensive posture out of their behavior, and it requires they explain themselves to you.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year ago (12 hours, 8 minutes after post)

Thanks for the advice :-)

In regards to helping me move, he volunteered himself for that and insisted he wanted to do it to help. He also insisted he did not want any money, that he wanted to do it because he cared.

But then, on the way down, at different stops he would crack jokes about getting paid. My mom was there, and it was really getting on her nerves, because she said that it felt like he was trying to drop major hints that he wanted some kind of payment ad she didn’t like that kind of joking/hinting.

When I asked him to stop joking around about getting paid because it was getting to my mom, he acted like she was being really touchy and that he was just joking and did not want anything.

Well, when we got to the final destination that was when I paid him because we felt like if we didn’t he could come back on me and rub it in in the future that he had done this great thing for me. But even though we paid him, he still brought it up later when he was angry at me and said it had not been about the money, and he would not have done it for someone else.

So I don’t know.

It’s really frustrating too because I sent him two long emails yesterday and the night before, to keep him up to date on a situation he wanted kept up to date on, and he has never replied to my questions in the emails even though he checks his email daily.

I do think the advice was good, to try and mention things to him. Personally, right now I am so aggravated I want to completely mimick him the next time I talk to him: “Get a pen, right now….write down what I want you to right now….stop waiting….don’t you like being told what to do????”

:-)

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Felicity offline Verified User (1 year, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 8 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months ago (4 weeks, 1 day after post)

How r things ?

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Juliet21 offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months ago (1 month after post)

{Felicity} wrote:
How r things ?

Thanks for asking! It is a mixed bag of good and bad that has worked itself out on its own.

I never heard from him again. I had sent him an email detailing all that happened, but he never replied and he even took me off his forwarding list as I used to get almost daily forwards from him but never one came after that.

I also had sent him a very nice thank you card, but still never heard from him again.

I have to admit I was hurt, because I could not figure out what I had done that was so wrong. One of the only things I can think of is that when I said to him, “hold on” and he said “HOLD ON???” he must have been very angry that I asked him to hold on. (I said it politely, not rudely or snapping or anything that I think.)

The last few conversations with him, I was getting very neurotic. I was worried all the time, “am I going to say something that upsets him?” He was being so hyper-critical that it was making me second guess myself all the time and was making me really irritated with him underneath. Perhaps he sensed that irritation underneath, even though I was trying to be polite.

So I suppose it worked out for the best. If I had been the one to shut him out, he would have ranted and raved about how awful I was.

It was hurtful that he shut me out without my knowing why, but at least I do not have to worry anymore about trying to handle his hyper-criticism. He once said to me, “in my book, you get three strikes and then your out.” Well, I guess I hit three without knowing what the last two were :-)

I do wish I knew though what made him ignore me??? I think it is just hyper-criticism on his part. Any thoughts?

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Felicity offline Verified User (1 year, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 8 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months ago (1 month after post)

Im glad things worked out. What a blessing.And yes, im sure your right, he most likely would have turned it onto you.I agree, he was too critical.The easiest way to let go of this is to not wonder Y b/c its very likely it was his problem, not yours.

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Juliet21 offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months ago (1 month after post)

Thank you Felicity :-) I appreciate your thoughts and your reply.

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