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Pakistani/Indian origin of World War III - hear my ideas; what do you think

Okay, here’s why I think it is a significant possibility -
Look at the series of events that allowed for World War I and how they compare to the current situation:

1) There were tensions between two important countries in the area, as is always common.

-WWI- Austria-Hungary and Serbia had long running tensions.

-Current- India and Pakistan have been rivals since their nations’ inceptions, and have had numerous conflicts over ownership of the Kashmir territory.

2) One Non-State organization from one country committed an act against the other country, and the first country was blamed.

-WWI- A member of Young Bosnia murders Franz Ferdinand and then the government of Austria-Hungary blames the Kindom of Serbia. Serbia does not accept blame and Austria-Hungary retaliates.

-Current- A member of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba commits terrorist acts in Mumbai, and India’s government is quick to blame Pakistan. Pakistan does not accept blame for the act. There is widespread rumor of an end to the 2003 official ceasefire on Pakistan.

3) Each country has many allies that are rivals to the other country’s allies, which gives the opportunity for many other countries to become involved in the conflict.

-WWI- Serbia was allied with the countries in the Entente Powers, and Austria-Hungary was part of the Central Powers. The countries of the Entente Powers and the Central Powers already had many rivalries before this excuse to fight each other.

-Current- India is allied with most of the major Western countries, especially the United States. Pakistan is allied with most of the Middle East and Eastern part of Asia, including relations with Iran, China and North Korea.
The U.S. has before provided military support to India and is reliant on India for financial reasons. The U.S. already has tense relations with Pakistan because of Pakistan’s new government and because of Al-Qaeda presence in Pakistan. The U.S. Secretary of State has just issued a statement indicating that Pakistan should take responsibility for the terrorist training that occurs within its borders (indicating Lashkar-e-Tayyiba). The U.S. has supported India’s military ability by recently introducing new nuclear technologies to India. Most of the Western nations have strong financial relationship with India since it was one of the first countries to develope trade with the European Union after it was founded. All of the Western European countries all have strong ties to the U.S. and usually stand with the U.S. on military matters. America is a close ally of Israel, whom Pakistan has refused to recognize (as have many countries in the area). Israel has had a growing positive relationship with India’s government since diplomatic relations started between them in 1992.

Pakistan’s closest and most consistant powerful ally is Iran. Iran has stood against the U.S. for many years for a number of reasons, including America’s treatment of Iraq and America’s friendship with Israel. Iran has previously proven its willingness to go to war several times in recent history. Pakistan is allied with China, an emerging major power in the world. China sided with Pakistan against India in the India/Pakistani war during the ’70s. China has had its own border disputes with India as recently as 2002. China has always had tense relations with the Western nations that are allied with India. China now has the second largest military behind America and need not have a lot of fear about holding its own in a war. Pakistan has strong relations (relative to most countries) with North Korea, another nuclear power, another country that has a strong anti-American movement in its politics and economy. Most of the Middle Eastern countries that have banded against the West in anti-Israel sentiment are also allies of Pakistan. Israel has shown little restraint against joining into conflicts in Arab countries, and Arab countries have shown very little need for a good excuse to attack Israel.

-The major arms race of the day involved both countries.

-WWI- Austria-Hungary and Serbia were militarily allied to Germany and Britain, respectively. These two countries were involved in an arms race to possess the most powerful Navy, the most powerful means of attack in those days.

-Current- Both Pakistan and India posess nuclear weapons and have shown open compitition between both of their nuclear programs. Both countries have strong allies that are nuclear powers.

So, that’s what I think. I don’t believe this must devolve into a World War, but I do think that the stage is set for a possible Western Europe/United States/Israel/India vs. Middle East/China/Pakistan conflict.

What do you guys think?

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Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (2 minutes after post)

I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.

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Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 12 months ago (6 minutes after post)

I hope so, Xeno. Then again, most people were sure that nobody would ever use a nuclear bomb for fear of the kind of war that would result, until the U.S. did it. Many people thought that everyone would be too afraid of nuclear war after WWII, but look how close we came to it under the Kennedy administration.

Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (7 minutes after post)

No one else HAD it when we used it.

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Da⌐11 3 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (8 minutes after post)

Xeno Dragon wrote:
I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.

If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.

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Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 12 months ago (9 minutes after post)

True, but look at the quotes from the scientists who developed it. People talked as if they knew the technology would get out to other countries well ahead of time.

Also, during the whole Bay of Pigs thing and all the craziness that surrounded that time, Russia had nukes but our fingers were still very close to the button on several occasions, as it seems theirs were as well.

Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 12 months ago (11 minutes after post)

Overall I feel tempted to agree with Xeno’s assessment of the world’s treatment of nuclear war. I do, however, believe it is a common mistake to underestimate the depravity that our species is capable of on a large scale.

Another world war would surprise me, but not that much.

Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (12 minutes after post)

Da⌐11 wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:
I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.

If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.

Agreed. It’ll likely be something we can see coming, if it happens. Then again, there’s a wild card. We as America is spread pretty thin right now, with our military in all corners of the globe. Not only that, but will our allies really want to back us after the way we’ve acted, if we get involved?

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Da⌐11 3 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (13 minutes after post)

Khalivarsha² wrote:
I hope so, Xeno. Then again, most people were sure that nobody would ever use a nuclear bomb for fear of the kind of war that would result, until the U.S. did it. Many people thought that everyone would be too afraid of nuclear war after WWII, but look how close we came to it under the Kennedy administration.

When the US used Nuclear weapons on Japan most people did not realize the full implications of their use. It was not the same environment that exists now.

However your Kennedy’s missile crises is a better indication of how a World War III will ensue. A serous of small acts of one-upmanship leading to a disasters out come no one intended at the start.

Good thing the Russians blinked in Kennedy’s dangerous game of chicken.

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Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 12 months ago (13 minutes after post)

Da⌐11 wrote:
Good thing the Russians blinked in Kennedy’s dangerous game of chicken.

Much agreed.

Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (17 minutes after post)

I won’t be able to get as involved in this discussion as I’d like to, just so everyone knows. I have a busy day today, unfortunately. I’ll read everything, though, and try to respond.

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k4kieron 16 #
An Unknown Location | 12 months ago (20 minutes after post)

I think the war is already all over the world. This is the 3rd world war - conflict for more aka greed all around you (almost). I think that all the world needs to unite now before the earth is destroyed by the destruction of the ozone and environment by means of mass destruction.

Another series of small wars will wipe earth out - completely and quickly!!!

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Da⌐11 3 #
An Undisclosed Location | 12 months ago (21 minutes after post)

Xeno Dragon wrote:

Da⌐11 wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:
I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.
If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.
Agreed. It’ll likely be something we can see coming, if it happens. Then again, there’s a wild card. We as America is spread pretty thin right now, with our military in all corners of the globe. Not only that, but will our allies really want to back us after the way we’ve acted, if we get involved?

America need not be spread thin if the situation called for it; it would be a simple matter to redeploy troops trying to fix up Afghanistan and Iraqi if more dire areas called for it. It would also be easy to move troops out of Korea and Europe; which are only their so that they can be mobilized in that side of the world more easily.

As for our “allies” in this hypothetical situation would easily follow us in the defense of India. The sentiments from the ever day European on the streets of Europe may be chafed with regard to the US. But their leaders are more interested in stability not to back the US and to remain natural in such a hypothetical unfolding doe to chafed feelings. Ie, when the chips are down, US-European relations aren’t as strained as people might think.

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k4kieron 16 #
An Unknown Location | 12 months ago (22 minutes after post)

Bombs used in wars are used because they are about to expire…Weapons are bought and built to settle economic bills. US and UK are in Trillions of debt. They will arm and disable continuously by the looks of things. the rest of the world is wise to it. Your view hits home. I think there will come a time in our life times that we all realise that that is the bleak future unless we change - now!

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k4kieron 16 #
An Unknown Location | 12 months ago (28 minutes after post)

What will the outcome of said war be anyone want to predict? A world war with the logistics and science behind it shows we wouuld eradicate mass amounts of everything in our environment leaving our kids and kids kids with nothing but bodies and empty bombshells, possibly not even air to breath…Are the government in control and simply keeping the global economy afloat? Is this the begining of the end is that what your implying?

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chev.jame 1 #
An Unknown Location | 12 months ago (2 hours, 31 minutes after post)

War is coming, because Pakistan’s nuclear scientists–90 percent of whom are sympathetic to al Qaida–will eventually funnel nuclear weapons to bin Laden. These will be used against the USA, Canada and the United Kingdom.

And those nations may have wrecked economies, but they won’t take such an attack lying down.

Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 11 months, 2 weeks ago (1 week, 4 days after post)

From CNN
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

“December 14th, 2008
Sources: India prepped for attack on Pakistan
Posted: 07:45 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The United States believes that India’s air force began preliminary preparations for a possible attack against Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the recent massacre in Mumbai, CNN has learned.

Three Pentagon officials have individually confirmed to CNN that the United States has information indicating that India began to prepare air force personnel for a possible mission.

The officials offered very few details, but one said the India’s air force “went on alert.” This is the first publicly known indication that perhaps the two nuclear powers were closer to conflict in the days after the Mumbai attacks than previously acknowledged.

A second official said the United States concluded these preliminary preparations would have put India quickly in the position to launch airstrikes against suspected terrorist camps and targets inside Pakistan. During these preparations, a number of senior U.S. officials were urging India to exercise restraint — which apparently it did”

Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 11 months, 2 weeks ago (1 week, 4 days after post)

I had hoped that the intesity of aggression that had been there immediately after the attacks would have faded by now. Getting interesting, anyhow.

luqmangill2 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months ago (3 weeks, 4 days after post)

Hi Kalivarsha.. You did a nice analysis, but what I think is that Pakistan and India is inseparable countries and should not go into war at any cost. I think the enemies are not in sub-continent but are in Middle East ans America i.e. Israel and America. Both these countries do not want Indians and Pakistanis to live in peace because now as you know that the western world is going through a financial meltdown so they need to provoke war in order to boost their economy as they did in WWII and WWI. I believe that the attacks were conducted by CIA or MOSAD for their point of interests to provoke war between two brotherly countries. THE only solution is to Unite India again… and form a union like EU or NAU..

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Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 11 months ago (3 weeks, 4 days after post)

I agree that there are people in the Western world who would want war between India and Pakistan. However, it is not the Westerners who are causing all of this. India and Pakistan have been in conflict ever since they seperated, and even when they were united it was chaos between them. Unite India? It would be nice in many ways, but how would you overcome all of the religious, political and economic differences that have caused so many conflicts?

spiratec9 11 #
Burnaby, BC, CA | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

some countries just cannot get along.
But there is a huge difference between getting along and war.
War between India and Pakistan is unthinkable.

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spiratec9 11 #
Burnaby, BC, CA | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

It would only result in much pain and cannot be won by anyone.
War is obsolete.

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Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.

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spiratec9 11 #
Burnaby, BC, CA | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

Xeno Dragon wrote:
I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.

been there done that.Korean war.They got know where in the last one and won’t get
any where again.

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Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

spiratec9 wrote:

Xeno Dragon wrote:
I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.

been there done that.Korean war.They got know where in the last one and won’t get
any where again.

Are you paying attention to what they’re doing right now? They have nukes, and they seem very eager to use them. They’re planing to fire a test missile at Hawaii sometime in early July. They keep advancing their nuclear program, ignoring all of the sanctions and peace talk offers. Even beyond nukes, they’ve still got a large chemical weapons store, and their army is massive enough to deter any sort of attack against them. It’s all over the news. Haven’t you been watching?

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Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

And it’s “nowhere”, not “know where” in that context. It took forever to figure out what you were saying.

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Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

spiratec, you seem to be claiming that war will not happen when it is clearly of no benefit, and that a country will not start a war if it has previously lost a similar war. It is an interesting set of opinions. I welcome you to read just about any history book, and then report back to us if you still hold those beliefs.

Khalivarsha² 1 #
Minneapolis, MN, US | 5 months, 2 weeks ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

And I have to agree- Pakistan and India seem to be back to their normal level of tension now; war involving North Korea seems a lot more likely at the moment.

Xeno Dragon 28 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (6 months, 2 weeks after post)

I’m not going to pretend to know the future, and I’m not going to say that any one country is going to do any certain thing, but you have to remember that the planet has never known a minute without war since humans began developing tribes and cities and nations. India and Pakistan are fighting each other, Israel and Palestine are trying to kill each other, Russia attacked Georgia a little while ago, Cuba is still down there being a problem, the whole of Africa’s always been at war with itself, and China and North Korea seem to hate everyone. Not to mention all of the holy wars, Jihads, and Crusades. On the bright side, I hear the Northern Ireland thing has cleared up a bit.But now, the US is hearing more and more talk of secession. And not just from Texas!

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oysterman1 #
An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (7 months, 3 weeks after post)

Very well thought out and I hope you are wrong but it may not mater at all until we wait and see if Planet X destroys us, are bruises us or just bothers us

Meantime everyone should check out your own biases and be sure you are not part of the problem. also work to overthrow bad leaders by legal means. It is really the people who profit from war and a lavish lifestyle that don’t want peace.

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