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A bit of interesting philosophy here…

Right ok, just put aside everything you beleive and take a minuet to understand this point of view. I’m not trying to convert anyone here, this is just an idea that cant be prooven or disprooven anymore than any other idea that anyone here has and i hope you understand that, after reading you can forget it forever and carry on as nothing had ever intruded your mind if you wish.

But just consider you life. What have you done to get you where you are? What events and what experiances have you witnessed to infulence your actions? What previous knowledge do you think you based your motives on? did you make the choices in your life or were they made for you by other people?

But what proof exactly is there to state that there was any choice of influence atall?

What if you were always goining to end up where you are now? You may think you made the choices but how can you proove that. Yes you made the ‘choice’ in your head but in the end, all the way from your birth to now, you’ve only followed one path, the path that is your life. You have not experianced any other routes or outcomes so what is there to say that there were any other choices at all? You have not and will not experiance any more than one possibility so there is no reason to believe that free will exists.

Let me explain with an example.

You have the choice between three doors. You think you have a choice and choose to enter door two. This results in the following code of eventuality which can use binary to display how it works. 1=’chosen action’ 0=’undone action’

So you choose door two:
Door One: 0
Door Two: 1
Door Three:0

OK, so that was easy, but that event happens with no alternate event showing any other possible outcome. Therefore there is no reason to suggest that there were any other possiblities meaning only one possible combination could happen.

‘What if i chose two doors?’ You may think that this defeats the reasoning behind this whole concept by suggesting two choices can be made but this idea is false, for example you choose to enter door two and then door three, you may beleive that you have made two choices and you may beleive that you have experianced two outcomes but infact this is still just one outcome as the code displays:

Door One:0
Door Two:1
Door Three:1

there is still no other reality experianced by yourself and there is no way of knowing what could have happend if you ‘chose’ another combination of actions. Therefore we can detaint there is no reason to beleive free will exists, proof is impossible.

Whatever choices you think you make may not in effect be your choices, your conciousness may just be sat watching your life go by, like the journey of a rollercoaster, you see and feel everything go past, the carrage would appear (if the track was not visable) to turn and steer along a seemingly random path that the carrage (or laws of physics) decides to take but in reality the carrage is resticted to the route of the track, there is no possible other way for the carrage to go and without experiancing multiple realities there will never be any proof or disproof of this possible structure of the universe and existance.

OK, thanks for reading, i hope it made sense to you whether you agree to consider this or not, at the end of the day i’m sure these questions will never be answered in our lifetimes so just enjoy your lives, have fun and die happy. Thankyou :)

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*Dougie* offline Verified User (1 year, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (4 minutes after post)

A very interesting read. Thanks Adam.
I’ve been waiting for something thought provoking to come along for hours now!
Keep up the good work :D

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (5 minutes after post)

Dougie the Pisces wrote:
A very interesting read. Thanks Adam.I’ve been waiting for something thought provoking to come along for hours now!Keep up the good work :D

thats the sad but beutiful world of help.com in all its glory ;)

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (1 day, 1 hour after post)

omg i love philosphy! i see what your trying to say. but i believe we can change our destiny. still i love this!

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (1 day, 22 hours after post)

I found your writing thought provoking and think that your ideas tie in with theories of Fatalism and Determinism. Personally I like the brain in a vat idea! kind of like ‘the matrix’ it’s all interesting stuff.

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An Unknown Location | 11 months, 1 week ago (1 day, 22 hours after post)

shelleyfmcbain8 wrote:
I found your writing thought provoking and think that your ideas tie in with theories of Fatalism and Determinism. Personally I like the brain in a vat idea! kind of like ‘the matrix’ it’s all interesting stuff.

hmm, i do kind of believe in fate but i’d say i was more of a compatabilitist, no matter what you do you will always end up fulfilling the same destiny, the point being that for everything that exists there is the exact same ‘fate’ for the subject at the end of its existance as was at the begining of its existance but i’m still working on what excactly makes the most sense to me.

I dont think i’m familiar with the vat idea though, what exactly is that (i havn’t seen the matrix as it happens)

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 2 weeks ago (2 weeks, 5 days after post)

philosophical teachings focus too much on prolongued uses of the same words. words change and have different meaning to different people. therefore include creativity and coarse imagination, and you have a free escence of real humanity, written poetically. it’s through generalisation that people can identify the specific.

you can CHOOSE to email if you want :)

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An Unknown Location | 3 weeks, 3 days ago (10 months, 2 weeks after post)

The only true way to prove the idea you’re laying out would be to live the same life over again starting at a particular point and time, equipted with the knowledge you have now. Basically, you need a time machine and I don’t think that’s going to happen any time soon. It is both safer and much more saner to maintain the thought that different choices = a different outcome. If you think you’re going to get an F on your report card because you didn’t study, you’re calling the outcome to a future known event. Likewise, if you study before the test, the chances are you won’t get the bad grade - and if you do, it certiantly won’t be for the lack trying. And if you do fail the test regardless of how hard you studied it wasn’t because it was “meant to be.”

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