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To all animal lovers

A friend of mine is a vegetarian, and like me, she’s against animal cruelty. However, her new boyfriend got her a notebook from an animal charity, which I thought was sweet. Apparently they try and get homes for the animals, and if they can’t, they hold onto them until they pass away from natural causes. Then she revealed that once the animals have died, they use them to make those products, including her notebook. She keeps insisting it’s not cruel, but I can’t help but think it is. Any opinions?

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I want out offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 minutes after post)

If the animal died of natural causes, it is not crule it is smart to use and rescycle

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Michael Leibman offline Verified User (1 year, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
Littleton, CO, US | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (5 minutes after post)

It does remind me of the saying, “I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals, I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.”

Aren’t most notebooks made out of paper and maybe some plastic or metal?

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Penguin B☺y Brian offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (5 minutes after post)

Recycle the possibilitys are endless

if you think its cruel then ok everyone has there own opinion

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Whatsername17 offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (6 minutes after post)

Michael Leibman wrote:
It does remind me of the saying, “I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals, I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.”

Aren’t most notebooks made out of paper and maybe some plastic or metal?

The covers are apparently made of animals.

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Michael Leibman offline Verified User (1 year, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
Littleton, CO, US | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (7 minutes after post)

I think my point is not explicit, more that there’s some messed up logic I can’t quite grasp there.

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An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (7 minutes after post)

hmmm it may feel weird
but then again many people wear leather ..
might aswell take it from animals that died a natural death and had a good life

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10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 hour, 18 minutes after post)

They died from “natural causes” deal with it

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chev.jame offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 hours, 47 minutes after post)

Methinks that possibly they may “help” the animals to die of natural causes when their coffers get low.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (21 hours, 17 minutes after post)

I don’t think it’s cruel … but I suppose that’s up to you.

My first point though, is what else are you going to do with them? You could bury or cremate them, but it still ends up in the same way. I think it’s just a shame we don’t recycle humans too. Save space, save animals, save plants, save the economy. Recycle and cut back on funeral costs.

What else can you do? They’re not harming the animals, and they’re dead and gone. There’s nothing to be cruel to.

Out of interest, not rhetorical, what arguments do you have that say it is cruel?

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Whatsername17 offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (21 hours, 37 minutes after post)

Just to point out, I’ve just learned that such a thing is illegal. So that suggests that either my friend is a liar or she’s just really gullible. And I’m aware I’m gullible too.

Cremating an animal does not take up “space”, what’s a few ashes scattered somewhere? Excuse me for believing that animals deserve better than that, considering they’ve spent their life in a rescue centre.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (21 hours, 42 minutes after post)

Which thing is illegal? The using animals from the shelter? Report them then!

I know it doesn’t take up space, that is one of the reasons I suggested it. It seems a bit different re-reading it, but I was suggesting that as a different option to re-cycling. The space saving had to do with humans. Sorry if that’s offensive to anyone, but it’s what I think.

I am sorry if I offended you with the recycling idea, I -actually am- sorry if I offended you, but I’m just not a fan of death honouring or anything. I would personally rather know I was going to be recycled when I died. I mean no offence to you or anything, that’s just my view. Sorry.

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Whatsername17 offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (21 hours, 56 minutes after post)

No it’s fine, I’m SUPER sensitive on animals, it’s a bit ridiculous at times.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 22 minutes after post)

It’s understandable … I get sensitive about them, but it’s normally only in cases of abuse and neglect, not the finer things.

It’s good to know that someone is out there who cares about animals though … most people just don’t care. I hate it.

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Whatsername17 offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 31 minutes after post)

Same here!

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Zone offline Verified User (11 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 33 minutes after post)

Yeah … you’d think, after all the circulated pictures about animal testing, that something would have been done … but no … I hate all of them.

Slight change of subject there, but I’m still on about that one. Sorry :P

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chev.jame offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 35 minutes after post)

So we take a beloved dog that dies a natural death, and we make a coat or hat of its fur, or a notebook cover.

I am sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I wouldn’t give a penny to such an organization.

Sounds like the Nazis who made lampshades and soap out of the Jews, Poles and Russians they murdered in their concentration camps!

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 36 minutes after post)

But that was after torture and with the idea of killing them and making them suffer, where as this was supposed to be after a natural death … not quite the same, but I do see where you’re coming from.

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chev.jame offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (22 hours, 41 minutes after post)

The point is . . . if you have an animal that you love and respect, you DO not try to make a profit on that animal’s death. You don’t treat the body of a beloved animal or human being as a commercial opportunity.

It’s like auctioning off your grandmother’s organs to the highest bidder after she dies.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (23 hours, 41 minutes after post)

It sounds like this organiation is charitable and in order to give an animal a better life, it profits off its death. You have to remember that if it was a normal shelter, they would just kill them after a certain amount of time. I’m sure the conditions are pleasant because someone who wuld start a shelter like that would pretty obviously love animals and want them to live their lives and be comfortble. If you asked me if I would live my life out and have my remains sold then be killed in my prime.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 2 hours after post)

Does anyone THINK that there is a MARKET for products made with dog and cat skins? Does anyone SEEK OUT notebooks made from dog skins? I think it is completely and totally macabre. If they want to remind people of the animals in shelters, a picture embossed on a plastic notebook cover would be much more effective. I sincerely doubt that people would prefer products made from the bodies of dead pets. It’s totally crazy . . . like getting people to donate to UNICEF by making notebooks from the skin of children who have starved to death. I think a nut case heads that charity.

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Whatsername17 offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 4 hours after post)

I don’t think it’s real, the more I think of it. I’m still debating whether or not my friend is a compulsive liar, because the stuff she comes out with is very far-fetched at times. It was her boyfriend who got it for her, so I’m sure he’d have to be a liar too put up with her, lol. Unless, this is his way of competing with it. I’ll find out the name of the charity on Monday. If it isn’t considered illegal, it’s still not something that would be allowed.

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chev.jame offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 5 hours after post)

I have deduced that it is a hoax!

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Zone offline Verified User (11 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 11 hours after post)

I’d be interested to know more about the charity … if it does turn out to be real, could you give us the name of the charity? I’d like to read up on them.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 20 hours after post)

theyre not killing the animals in their prime for the products so thats good-ish but that still doesnt make it ok. i say theyre wrong to do that. we wouldnt like it would we?

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Michael Leibman offline Verified User (1 year, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
Littleton, CO, US | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (1 day, 20 hours after post)

I wouldn’t like it at all to be turned into a notebook.

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Solid offline Verified User (11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 2 weeks ago (2 days, 14 hours after post)

But the alternative is to be killed!? I don’t understand why you guys don’t get that it is the lesser of two evils.

Hoax or not…it is interesting to ponder.

chev.jame wrote:
Does anyone THINK that there is a MARKET for products made with dog and cat skins? Does anyone SEEK OUT notebooks made from dog skins? I think it is completely and totally macabre. If they want to remind people of the animals in shelters, a picture embossed on a plastic notebook cover would be much more effective. I sincerely doubt that people would prefer products made from the bodies of dead pets. It’s totally crazy . . . like getting people to donate to UNICEF by making notebooks from the skin of children who have starved to death. I think a nut case heads that charity.

I would rather see them have their bodies sold off and made into products then have them starve. I that’s a no-brainer for me. You have to remember that the body is just a vessel. The soul is gone after death so who cares what happens to the body. If an empty shell can be used to help you in life, why not. I would sell the rights to my corpse if someone gave me a few hundred dollars for it.

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An Unknown Location | 10 months, 2 weeks ago (2 days, 20 hours after post)

Solid wrote:
“But the alternative is to be killed!? I don’t understand why you guys don’t get that it is the lesser of two evils.”

“I would rather see them have their bodies sold off and made into products then have them starve. I that’s a no-brainer for me. You have to remember that the body is just a vessel. The soul is gone after death so who cares what happens to the body. If an empty shell can be used to help you in life, why not. I would sell the rights to my corpse if someone gave me a few hundred dollars for it.”

I wouldn’t call it the lesser of two evils … only the starving part is really evil, the making use part is just putting something to us.

I would give away my rights to my body, because I’m not going to need them when I’m gone anyway … how is it of any use to you when you’re dead? You stop existing, so there’s no need to worry. Lol.

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chev.jame offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 2 weeks ago (2 days, 22 hours after post)

From a marketing and commercial point of view, it simply doesn’t pass the common sense test.

Why would an animal charity want to do something that could evoke a storm of protest?

And can you imagine the COST of preparing hundreds of dead, decomposing shelter animals into notebooks, etc.? Who would do the skinning? Who would ensure that no diseases lingered on the skins? Skins take preparation–and time. It’s not a pleasant business, I assure you.

Maybe the animal charity could use it as an advertising hook–”Send us a donation today, or we’ll skin this dog!”

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