Saudi Arabia help: How strong of an alley or at all is Saudi Arabia to us? - Help.com

Im Muslim but i dislike Saudi Arabia… They hijack many local cultures and hadith *which are not Islamic* as Syariah law :( I prefer to stick with my Quran and common sense.

Saudi Arabia is an ally to the US but only economically. Culturally speaking they are more of an enemy to the US than all the other Islamic nations put together. If you need references for that one just keep in mind that 14 out of the 18 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi’s!
I don’t trust them as an ally any further than I can throw them, but they control most of the worlds oil pricing so you have to kiss their butts or else you’ll be paying a rediculous amount for gas.
Man I can’t wait until the US moves away from Oil to some other form of Energy!!!!

I’m a soldier. I have been to Iraq and now Afghanistan. Yes we worry about Iran but only because we fear them controlling the region. I don’t know why we fear them controlling the region. I know isreal would hate the idea but I don’t know why we (the US) would hate the idea. Militarily Iran is pathetic and therefore not much to worry about. But for some reason we fear them. Makes no sense at all to me.
As to Saudi well we have had a fairly active presence there since Desert Storm back in 1990/91. Ever since the Air Force operates a pretty permanent base there. It is used to “protect” saudi from Iran/Iraq supposedly. Personally I would love nothing more than to be completely out of the middle east all together. I’ve never met such mean people. And not to us. I would expect them to be mean to the US but actually they are really mean to each other. I thought muslims would be nice to one another since I was always taught they believed in so many peaceful concepts but then I met them and now I know they are terrible to each other… at least in Kuwait, Quatar, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Those I can speak for first hand.
What the heck is a 9/11 truthest anyway?

Khyron, you mentioned that the military force of iran is pathetic, whilst its true a US-Iranian conflict would undoubtedly result in a US victory youve got to remember, a dozen deaths from the US has far more impact than a hundred Iranian ones. Ysee if there was a war and I highly doubt there ever will be. Itd be like shock and awe, over quick but with a few more US deaths than Iraq, then youd spend another decade being killed by an underground force but itd be far far worse than Iraq, public opinion turned massively against the wars with less that a few hundred dead.

Enemies of the UK and US realise how this works, this is why the taliban never engage in all out conflict in afghanistan, they pick the occasional person off, force us to fire hellfire rockets and waste millions of pounds and dollars at a time, taking us to a style of war we cant win.

Iran would be the same.

As for why america fears Iran, its for that very reason, dominance in the middle east, the middle east is very important for obvious resource reasons and of course, the american govt. believes that anti-US states means more anti-US terrorists etc. Its one of the reasons the US loves Israel so much, its an ally of values in a sea of enemies.

As you guys already mentioned, the US-Saudi relation is money, not just oil either, theres bullion too. The saudis have vast amounts of wealth in the US, and like you said thats true proof theres no brotherhood amongst the arab world, they could if they wanted force the hand of the US completely, but they’re just a bunch of money grabbing monarchs.

I wouldnt imagine that theyd ever need to get on though, religion has never lead to brotherhood, just look at how long religious fuelled wars raged in europe

I have no doubt that many more american soldiers would die pointlessly if we went to war with Iran and yes we would demolish that nation in about the same amount of time it took to whip Iraq off the map too. The only reason the the tactics of Iraq and Afghanistan are working so well against us right now is because our leaders actually want us to win the “hearts and minds” of the people. A pathetic and fool-hearty endeavor that is getting far too many people killed on both sides. We would have been far better off destroying the countries and leaving them in ruins. Their wonderful (and fellow islamic brothers) nations would have moved in like hungry vulchers and devoured what was left of both countries and broke them both up into many smaller areas or made them part of their own countries.
As to Saudi being worth anything to the US aside from oil it has no value whatsoever. This entire region presents the world with nothing of any real (and tangible) interest aside from oil. Take away the oil and what is left here? Dirt! This is the poorest region in the world for natural resources outside of oil. Anything they can create here can be made elsewhere for far cheaper and far safer.
I once had compassion for the people in this region. I no longer care for them. This region can sink under another great flood for all I care. I have buried far too many of my “friends” here already.

The only issue with attacking North Korea is China. NK itself would pose little trouble for us.
As to why we went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan you’d have to ask bush. That was his brillant idea. I was against the concept. But I don’t make the call, I just enforce it.

no there wouldnt be a war with north korea, say what you will about your leaders but they just arent that stupid. the only time we’d get involved is if they started a war themselves, which despite what you see on the TV is unlikely, and even then, we’d be more prepared for that war that we were 50 years ago, and they wouldnt have the backing of the chinese.

And khyron im afraid they do have more than oil and dirt. The royal family is immensely rich there, vast reserves of gold bullion, its like bahrain. Alot of that is held in various US institutes and assets, if they want to put the pressure on, they can, of course they wouldnt because they dont care about your little wars, they only care about money.

As for Iraq and Afghanistan, from bushes point of view it was an alright idea, got him a 2nd term didnt it? enjoyed huge popularity at one point, unfortunately they forgot to remember that occupying a nation usually leads to insurgency, an in the case of afghanistan, one of the historically best prepared insurgencies.

On the plus side though, afghan heroin exports are at an all time high! so if you want to get ******, dont worry

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
Well let me ask you something why don’t more troops protest the war…if you all are soo disagreeing with it…I mean general petrayas is a terrible person…but why go fight a war that you don’t want to put your heart and mind in like the taliban or al queada..they are soo set on doing it for religion…why would you put your self through that? and don’t give me the country first b.s…or my country calls upon me for it when more then half the country disagrees with it…

“Ours is not to question why… ours is but to do and die”
I’m sorry you can’t understand the concept of loyalty to your country and by thus doing so your loyalty to your family and friends as well. But it is very simple. I am here to protect my country by serving my countries elected leadership. If the american people are against a particular war they can force our leadership to end it by voting the bastard out of office. The re-elected bush so obviously they were not truly against the wars.
I am here because someone has to stand up to defend my nation. My family has been in the military for at least four generations now. Why should I not do what my nation calls on me to do? Any soldier that claims they love war is lying to you to sound macho or some other such BS! We all hate it. We all hate watching our buddies brains leak out of their ears. But we do what must be done! No questions asked.

well its nothing new loco, since the end of isolationism, with your entry to the wars and trumans charming dropping of the bomb youve been fighting a global turf war. Look at all the latin american conflicts, korea, vietnam, support of various groups and governments in europe during the cold war, the 70 odd year long support of israel, all these things, its just become a part of the american way

The saudi bullion comes from oil. They are rich because of it and when it runs out they will eventually become poor. As to their investments I could care less what they have invested in since the IRS would just freeze their assets here if they tried anything silly.

Arnday the Imbroglio wrote:
well its nothing new loco, since the end of isolationism, with your entry to the wars and trumans charming dropping of the bomb youve been fighting a global turf war. Look at all the latin american conflicts, korea, vietnam, support of various groups and governments in europe during the cold war, the 70 odd year long support of israel, all these things, its just become a part of the american way

Tell me about it :-( I hate being the internation police force

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
Yeah right…the IRS wouldn’t do anything bush and his little friends are pals…we had the bin laden family in the USA and we just let them go back to their country instead of questioning them about usama

You don’t harm a son or daughter or dad or uncle to get to a person. That goes against our moral code of right and wrong. I don’t believe in torture or illegal imprisonment either. I would never use a mans family to get at him. That is under-handed. Get him fair and square or don’t get him at all.

khyron32 wrote:
The saudi bullion comes from oil. They are rich because of it and when it runs out they will eventually become poor. As to their investments I could care less what they have invested in since the IRS would just freeze their assets here if they tried anything silly.

its probably best hoping for your sakes that doesnt happen, because one giant disenchanted nation with a powerful leadership in the middle east is the last thing you need. god forbid they might well try find other, more violent means of recovering their wealth

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
exactly…if you hate it why not just get out…make a bigger statement and protest to the general petrayas’s of the world. or help by helping people not join the military and tell them the truth about it save a life.

My loathing of the war is one of fatigue. It should not be taken as a sign of disloyalty to my leadership. I obey my orders. I disagree most vehemently with the direction we have taken but I do my job in the end. I will continue to fight for my country until I am no longer able to do so. Or my enlistment ends. But even then I may re-enlist for another stint. Like I said the military is in my blood. 4 generations is a hard habit to break.

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
i didn’t say torture the family i just said question them just simple police work that they do for any drug dealer.

yeah I’m not all that fond of the war on drugs either. Another worthless war that will never be resolved.

To just pick up on one small point…

Saudi does not equal terrorist. Just because those involved in 9/11 were of Saudi nationality does not mean that the Saudi nation supported them! Quite the reverse is true. In fact, more work is done in Saudi to help prevent terrorism than most people realise!

To quote from http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/art…

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an important partner in this international effort and has taken significant steps to deter global terrorism. There is more that can be done to further this relationship; however, the steps that have been taken thus far are very encouraging and promising. For example, since 9-11, Saudi Arabia has questioned thousands and arrested more than 600 with suspected ties to terrorism.”

Some convicted terrorists are British. Does this make Britain supportive of terrorism as a nation??

there will always be loyal soldiers to protect the nation against its enemies. I loathe our current wars but my vote has gone unheard for my entire life. One day sanity and compassion will reign supreme but I will be long since dead by then.

mumstheword wrote:
To just pick up on one small point…Saudi does not equal terrorist. Just because those involved in 9/11 were of Saudi nationality does not mean that the Saudi nation supported them! Quite the reverse is true. In fact, more work is done in Saudi to help prevent terrorism than most people realise!To quote from http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/art… Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an important partner in this international effort and has taken significant steps to deter global terrorism. There is more that can be done to further this relationship; however, the steps that have been taken thus far are very encouraging and promising. For example, since 9-11, Saudi Arabia has questioned thousands and arrested more than 600 with suspected ties to terrorism.”Some convicted terrorists are British. Does this make Britain supportive of terrorism as a nation??

Very nicely written :-) and you are correct the saudi government has done quite a lot to prevent any additional acts of terrorism from happening by its people. If only they had been so determined before 9/11. Or if they could control a certain bin laden family member who is consider to be a prince in saudi arabia. Of course I know that doesn’t mean much since there are thousands of princes in saudi arabia. A very confusing monarchial system.

Here is a more relevant question for me though… and bear in mind that I am an athiest so I don’t understand any of this crap…
why are the islamic “extremeists” and the christian “fundementalists” fighting another war with each other again? I fail to understand why in the 21st century people still can’t learn to live and let live.

I agree if sgt meyrs was “dating” a potential recruit he should get punished. We have loads of knuckleheads hiding in the recruiter ranks because they don’t want to deploy to the wars. They are worthless pricks who need to grow a backbone and come out here and play in the sand with the rest of us.

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
wait…recruiters don’t go to war?

nope

they are allies only due to money.
oil=money
money=oil
U.S.A.=money

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
I do not know…but Islam is more just in fighting… I am muslim so Ima bust out a quran quote 2.190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.2.192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.2.193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.2.216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Yeah I don’t even need to tell you how many of the “muslim” fighters are breaking the whole stay out of fighting in and from the mosques thing. They always use those frickin places as bases of operations and attack us from there. I don’t know why we don’t level them all to the ground when they do that crap!

Recruiters don’t know when anyone will ship off. They can say anything they like what counts is what is written in your contract. If it isn’t in writing then it doesn’t count.
I dislike recruiters quite heavily

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
Khyron32…you see once the u.s. even accidentally bombed a mosque…that’s when it is broken and it is okay to attack from there…and honestly if the USA does purposely demolish a mosque i can gaurantee hell would break out and rockets and death would come forth…

I was refering to mosques that were perfectly intact. We never touched them and they attacked us from them. And we still left the bloody mosques standing. Just another worthless building to have to clear out of enemy combatants. They never follow their koran’s teachings when they fight us. But then I wouldn’t expect anyone to be dumb enough to engage us face to face. We would wipe them out. Our firepower and weapons will waste anyone who tried. But I hate hypocrites. If you follow a belief and the belief says something then follow it. Otherwise don’t pretend you are a follower of that belief.

I think the key words are “do not transgress limits”.

They surely apply to all of us?

mumstheword wrote:
I think the key words are “do not transgress limits”.They surely apply to all of us?

Yeah I am still trying to understand why we can’t get along?

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
yeah the holy land is our sacred land…and depending on you translate it you can do what you want…many muslims have been falsely killed by the u.s. before the war.

I could care less about holy lands and he said she said crap. The question is why can’t we get along now? The past doesn’t concern me in this case. I am interested in the present and the future.

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
but yes why can’t we just get a long…there are no winners in war just losers can we agree on that?

totally agreed

there will never be an end to war… but why can’t we fight over something understandable (at least to an atheist) like food or water or something essential to life? I am sick of fighting for black goock and religion.

Well good night
sleep tight

I am encouraged by the teachings of tolerance and dialogue in the Quran, and by similar teachings in the Christian Bible.

And the servants of (God) the All-Merciful are those who move on the Earth in humility and when the ignorant address them they say: “Peace.” (Al-Furqan 25:63)

When they meet hollow words or unseemly behavior they pass them by with dignity. (Al-Furqan 25:72)

And when they hear vain talk they turn away therefrom and say: “To us our deeds and to you yours.” (Al-Qasas 28:55)

I think sometimes perhaps we forget to listen to the quieter but so very important words of our teachings. And that’s why we forget how to get along.

I find it hard to think of saudi arabia as an alley considerin I wouldnt be able to walk down the high street on my own, and if i did would be lucky not to be harrassed.

LocoLamigra31 wrote:
I believe that the government was behind 9/11 and was a set up to go to war with Afghanistan and used as fear to help put the patriot act into place. Well while I have had issues with the military…and yes Islam is a peaceful religion but there are always extremests just like in any religion. Yes…to protect them from Iran/Iraq…listen can you please tell me about our situation in Iran a bit more…if their army is sooo pathetic why do we fear them? or do we fear them because if something happens to saudia arabia the oil market goes sky rocketing or isreal will no longer help in certain situations please i would love your opinion as a soldier your closer to it then me…also why are a lot of military friends and people i know being shipped to kuwait?

I understand what you mean, there are so many questions unanswered.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMKaZV… Oh, i didnt know youre muslim, are you a muallaf ? Malcolm X was also a muallaf.. Assalamualaikum brother, glad to know you :)

The video’s a commentary to David Lynch interview at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ0pOI… ..

There’s another.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIb…

lol. I like how you guys are spelling “Ally”, as Alley. :P.