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id personally go to switzerland and get it done in an euthanasia way, in comfort. But saying that, i never would do it.

as a consideration to the comunity i would ask this not be answered in public.

as a person who deals with depresion and suicidal thoughts, i can sugest it would be bad to post this information publicly in a ariea full of depressed people looking for a way out of crissis.

I know someone who I go to school with who tried to overdose and it didnt work and now she’ s off school for a month and a bit so she can recover and she regrets doing it.
Me personally it would be outside under the full moon on a clear night, not sure how though… Might jump off a cliff… the sea moon and stars on a nice night, that would be my perfect setting to die i. Or I might do that and slit my wrists, with a good dose of druggage before hand to numb the pain a bit… that would be nice too…. watch as it all slowly fades away….. *gazes off into dream world…*

one of the most efficient way is the train. at night, no one could pull the breaks in time , considering the trains speed when ure jumping when its really close. but then again its a messy way. least painful is overdose, but it might fail, sice doctors can pretty much rescue from it if u re found in time.shooting, hanging, allt those have a degree of discomfort. and , funny fact, most people who try to cut their own throat do it the wrong way or faint before they finish the job.drugs are safer, because at least if u fail, u wont mutilate ureself for life.

Anonymous wrote:
one of the most efficient way is the train. at night, no one could pull the breaks in time , considering the trains speed when ure jumping when its really close. but then again its a messy way. least painful is overdose, but it might fail, sice doctors can pretty much rescue from it if u re found in time.shooting, hanging, allt those have a degree of discomfort. and , funny fact, most people who try to cut their own throat do it the wrong way or faint before they finish the job.drugs are safer, because at least if u fail, u wont mutilate ureself for life.

Oh god. I absolutely loathe people who do it by train. It’s so damaging for the driver.

This might be a genuine question but it makes me really uncomfortable.

Sorry but i tend to agree with calemus…

I’m not suicidal or depressed… I’m not looking for a way out…. painful or not… But if i was there is just a slim chance that reading something like this would tip me over the edge…. Guess it doesn’t matter to the dead person that it was just a question though!

Somehow this post has slipped through without even the Help Bot message giving helpline number at top for anyone feeling suicidial or depressed therefore this post has not even got a safeguard in place.

Look anonymous, if you don’t like this post its not the posters problem. The post asks a question out of pure curiosity. If you dont like it them dont reply to it, but dont spam it up and get it off subject, if thats what you really want to talk about then open a post of your own about it.

Sorry but i disagree…. This website has helped to stop people killing themselves… when they have felt that they have nowhere to turn then some stranger on here has offered a hand of friendship… The posts you refer to are posted by people who are seeking help.

And i’m so pleased you realise it is a stupid question…. so why the heck ask it!

Anonymous wrote:
This might be a genuine question but it makes me really uncomfortable.

suicide is gonna scar anyone who finds u first. its inevitable.better a train driver then ure family or friends..selfish point of view, but better scar a stranger.

Its asked pout of pure curiosity. It’s just a question, getting other peoples oppininions

moufette_l wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This might be a genuine question but it makes me really uncomfortable.

suicide is gonna scar anyone who finds u first. its inevitable.better a train driver then ure family or friends..selfish point of view, but better scar a stranger.

thats why id choose swiss euthanasia, medics doing it. Family there if they want to be, everyone knows.

liv_192 wrote:
If they REALLY want to commit suicide, they will do it because they don’t want to live any more. A stupid question on a website is not going to make them do it. and my question wasn’t ‘How would you kill yourself?’ so I really don’t see the problem….So if they want to die, nothing on this website is going to make them do it, OR stop them doing it…

Read your own words…..

moufette_l wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This might be a genuine question but it makes me really uncomfortable.

suicide is gonna scar anyone who finds u first. its inevitable.better a train driver then ure family or friends..selfish point of view, but better scar a stranger.

some kind of thing with mine i guess…but perhaps i would decay or be eaten by something first

ew but someone walking their dog might find you all slightly decayed. ewww.

PheeGee wrote:
ew but someone walking their dog might find you all slightly decayed. ewww.

lol true true…might go down onto a lower ledge of the cliff first though xD

liv_192 wrote:
And anyway, I think the posts that say: I hate my life and I’m going to kill myself are FAR worse….what if the person reading that post thinks…yeah, my life is the same as that person’s, I’ll do it too! ?

actually if ure thinking of killing ureself, and ure decided to do it.. its pretty certain u will.but when anyone talks about the failure degree and complications, ure gonna think about it or chicken out, when u realise the consequences and risks.killing yourself is not that easy, sometimes people just fail and get labeled for life, not to mention the long term illness(like ******* up their stomach cause they od d on dishwashing liquid or god knows what else).people wandering about killing themselves or not are rescuable.people who dont ask.. are just gonna do it.

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

PheeGee wrote:
ew but someone walking their dog might find you all slightly decayed. ewww.

lol true true…might go down onto a lower ledge of the cliff first though xD

hahaha see, you have to choose your cliffs wisely for these things.

liv_192 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liv_192 wrote:
If they REALLY want to commit suicide, they will do it because they don’t want to live any more. A stupid question on a website is not going to make them do it. and my question wasn’t ‘How would you kill yourself?’ so I really don’t see the problem….So if they want to die, nothing on this website is going to make them do it, OR stop them doing it…

Read your own words…..

You’re not understanding what I’m saying….A….A stupid question, not THIS question.

No, a stupid question would be one that says ‘I want to die how should I do it?’

oh man im awaiting approval… i have no idea why, yet again.

liv_192 wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

liv_192 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liv_192 wrote:
If they REALLY want to commit suicide, they will do it because they don’t want to live any more. A stupid question on a website is not going to make them do it. and my question wasn’t ‘How would you kill yourself?’ so I really don’t see the problem….So if they want to die, nothing on this website is going to make them do it, OR stop them doing it…

Read your own words…..

You’re not understanding what I’m saying….A….A stupid question, not THIS question.

No, a stupid question would be one that says ‘I want to die how should I do it?’

Good correction Tears, your question is much more effective in putting my point across, lol.

Lol :P

but yeah, a stupid question is when someone asks how people think they should kill themselves. Or even the ones where they say ‘i read about someone who did -blahblahblah- should i try it? They were my idol.'’

btw,there are sites where they debate on suicide methods and not if they should go for it or not. obvously looking on “help”,they just want to drive away suicidal thoughts, and find a way to start living.

liv_192 wrote:
Why do you think Suicide is Illegal btw? Surely if its YOUR life…can’t you do with it what you wish? They can’t exactly put you in prison for killing yourself can they…..

Haha xD thats crazy! lol I never actually knew it was illegal… guess i should eh? lol
Thats madness! nd yeah, its your life, you dont want it its noone elses problem

liv_192 wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

liv_192 wrote:
Why do you think Suicide is Illegal btw? Surely if its YOUR life…can’t you do with it what you wish? They can’t exactly put you in prison for killing yourself can they…..

Haha xD thats crazy! lol I never actually knew it was illegal… guess i should eh? lol
Thats madness! nd yeah, its your life, you dont want it its noone elses problem

Exactly! It makes no sense!

lol madness xD

A. In some legal traditions a person’s body is owned by the state. Therefore, it is not yours to kill. In Canada for example, the state still has an interest in a human body; just exactly what that interest is, well, that is still being debated.)

In Canada it is not illegal to kill yourself. It is just cause under the Mental Health Act to have you confined in a mental health facility until the doctors feel you are no longer a threat to yourself or others.

The right to die is a complicated issue. On the one hand, we want to help alleviate the suffering of people who are chronically ill, in severe pain, with no hope of recovery. On the other hand, we don’t want an able bodied, strong young person who is temporarily upset to commit suicide.

Generally speaking there is no ‘law’ that prevents you from killing yourself, it would be foolish to classify attempted suicide as a crime (unless you recklessly endanger others) since it would only exacerbate the person’s problems. Rather, the police have the right to place you in protective custody and they have the right to prevent a suicide.

Note that to ASSIST a suicide is an offence in Canada under the Canadian Criminal Code either by actions, or by inaction.

In the United States of America it is not illegal to commit suicide. None of the fifty states has a law which makes suicide illegal. No federal law prohibits suicide. Several of the states have laws which prohibit assisting a suicide..

Something to Ponder
Assuming there were a law against suicide, how would the person who commited suicide be prosecuted? Post Mortum? (That means after the person is dead.)

ANOTHER VIEW:

It is not a violation of criminal law to kill yourself. And if it were, you would not be prosecuted if you succeeded (just like the bank robber who is killed in the shoot-out with police is not then prosecuted for the robbery). But in the Christian tradition, it is against God’s law to kill yourself. This is because you are taking God’s place in deciding when you will die. The old belief (still held by some) is that you would be irrevocably condemned to Hell if you committed suicide.

YET ANOTHER VIEW: Also in the Christian faith, it is sin to kill yourself for a number of reasons, 1) playing God, assuming God’s place in deciding when you will die, as “Another view” posted. 2) The bible says that we are not our own. Meaning we are God’s creation. Our lives were created by him and therefore belong to him. Its the same as murder. You are taking a life. It maybe the life you live, but ultimately it is not your own. Your life belongs to God and it is just like killing another human.

Another View:

How I was taught in law school in the US, murder of one’s self is still murder. Therefore suicide is indeed illegal but there is no was to punish the crime. However, an attempted suicide CAN be charged as an attempted murder.

Another Better View

An urban legend repeats the bad information that suicide is murder of one’s self and therefore illegal. Those who spread the ‘legend’ frequently attempt to bolster their claim by saying they or their uncle or their cousin or their butcher “…heard it in Law School…” But modern Law Schools (and English Language classes) teach you that the two are not the same. Although murder and suicide both involve a killing, suicide is defined as a killing (not a ‘murder’) of one’s self. Murder, on the other hand, is an intentional killing of another (another) human being. Real Law Schools go further and teach you that, according to the doctrine of Res Ipsa Loquitor, suicide (and attempted suicide) can’t be charged as crimes in our contemporary Society. Anyone committing or attempting to commit suicide is insane - prima facie and de facto. Any County Attorney, District Attorney or Crown Prosecutor who might foolishly charge and prosecute an attempted suicide as an attempted murder would quickly find that the perpetrator-victim was summarily found Not Guilty (that’s Not Guilty of a ‘murder’ attempt) by reason of insanity. Centuries ago suicide was viewed as an act against God and King. Two hundred and fifty (250) years ago Blackstone wrote, “…the law … wisely and religiously considers that no man hath a power to destroy life but by commission from God - the author of it…” In other words, centuries ago, it was thought that you were attempting to take God’s place in determining when you would die. Additionally, you were depriving the King of one of his worker-bees. So in those days-of-old, suicide was unlawful. Even in death, the perpetrator-victim’s Honor and his Estate were made to pay for his crime. His Estate (i.e money, house, land, cattle etc.) was immediately forfeited to the King as recompense for the loss of the worker-bee. The suicide’s family would be dumped out on the street, homeless and broke, with no sympathy from anyone. His body (with a stake driven through it) would be unceremoniously buried in an unmarked hole alongside the roadway. His remaining close family would be shunned or ostracized. But that was centuries ago. England shed the “ignominious burial” and “Estate Forfeiture” provisions in the 1800’s. The last vestige of any remaining law pertaining to suicide was eliminated in 1961. Canada of course followed a similar timeline with 1964 being the year of final elimination of any remaining law pertaining to suicide. The United States, as a country, has never had a law against suicide. A few individual States had State Laws making suicide unlawful but no punishment was included for this supposed crime. The last of those unenforceable laws came off the books years ago.

OMFG!!!! There was a question is suicide illegal in england and this was the reply:

The punishment for suicide in UK, both under Scottish law AND English law, is that the person is not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground.

Thats stupid!!!

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
OMFG!!!! There was a question is suicide illegal in england and this was the reply:

The punishment for suicide in UK, both under Scottish law AND English law, is that the person is not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground.

Thats stupid!!!

Not really, suicide is theoretically a sin.

English law can be stupid but seeing as suicide is a sin in the eyes of most religions then it kinda makes sense that you can’t be buried on consecrated ground.

Also it is illegal to assist someone in suicide… very hot topic of debate at the moment…. Where do you draw the line on assisting?

yes that law abt not being buried on sacred ground is in more countries. but suicide is definately not a crime,.its your own body, thats absurd..

six states in the USA still have suicide as illegal and therefore a crime which can be punishable if the person lives so it’s not so black and white!

PheeGee wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
OMFG!!!! There was a question is suicide illegal in england and this was the reply:

The punishment for suicide in UK, both under Scottish law AND English law, is that the person is not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground.

Thats stupid!!!

Not really, suicide is theoretically a sin.

its still stupid though. theyre still a person. they still deserve a proper ending! must me darn awful for the family if they cant even bury their loved one properly.

sometimes life gets too much for people and the only way out is suicide, it shouldnt be ilegal. it make no difference anyway

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

PheeGee wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
OMFG!!!! There was a question is suicide illegal in england and this was the reply:

The punishment for suicide in UK, both under Scottish law AND English law, is that the person is not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground.

Thats stupid!!!

Not really, suicide is theoretically a sin.

its still stupid though. theyre still a person. they still deserve a proper ending! must me darn awful for the family if they cant even bury their loved one properly.

sometimes life gets too much for people and the only way out is suicide, it shouldnt be ilegal. it make no difference anyway

They can bury them properly, just not in a church graveyard.

Personally Im donating my body to science.

PheeGee wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

PheeGee wrote:

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
OMFG!!!! There was a question is suicide illegal in england and this was the reply:

The punishment for suicide in UK, both under Scottish law AND English law, is that the person is not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground.

Thats stupid!!!

Not really, suicide is theoretically a sin.

its still stupid though. theyre still a person. they still deserve a proper ending! must me darn awful for the family if they cant even bury their loved one properly.

sometimes life gets too much for people and the only way out is suicide, it shouldnt be ilegal. it make no difference anyway

They can bury them properly, just not in a church graveyard.

Personally Im donating my body to science.

personally, as i said abouve, im gunna be eaten. Anyway, where do you bury a body if not in a graveyard? It’ll turn into a fricking csi scene if you bury it anywhere youplease!

I would think it would be darn awful to have to deal with the death of any loved one…. and even more so if they committed suicide so i wouldn’t worry too much about where they end up buried.

being buried is the least of anyones worries. if you survive, and be punished in any way for it, thats whats really screwed/

moufette_l wrote:
being buried is the least of anyones worries. if you survive, and be punished in any way for it, thats whats really screwed/

If you tried to commit suicide and failed, youre more likely to try again if you get busted for it

personally, as i said abouve, im gunna be eaten. Anyway, where do you bury a body if not in a graveyard? It’ll turn into a fricking csi scene if you bury it anywhere youplease!

find a city graveyard instead of a church graveyard?

cremation?

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

moufette_l wrote:
being buried is the least of anyones worries. if you survive, and be punished in any way for it, thats whats really screwed/

If you tried to commit suicide and failed, youre more likely to try again if you get busted for it

thats also true. and second time chances are you wont fail again.l

And would you assist someone if you knew you would be prosecuted and could face time in jail? How would you feel if the law was changed and assisting a suicide covered websites that discuss suicide…. you post on it not realising but a comment like “i think the least painful way is” are seen as assisting?

PheeGee wrote:
id personally go to switzerland and get it done in an euthanasia way, in comfort. But saying that, i never would do it.

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
I know someone who I go to school with who tried to overdose and it didnt work and now she’ s off school for a month and a bit so she can recover and she regrets doing it.
Me personally it would be outside under the full moon on a clear night, not sure how though… Might jump off a cliff… the sea moon and stars on a nice night, that would be my perfect setting to die i. Or I might do that and slit my wrists, with a good dose of druggage before hand to numb the pain a bit… that would be nice too…. watch as it all slowly fades away….. *gazes off into dream world…*

Anonymous wrote:
one of the most efficient way is the train. at night, no one could pull the breaks in time , considering the trains speed when ure jumping when its really close. but then again its a messy way. least painful is overdose, but it might fail, sice doctors can pretty much rescue from it if u re found in time.shooting, hanging, allt those have a degree of discomfort. and , funny fact, most people who try to cut their own throat do it the wrong way or faint before they finish the job.drugs are safer, because at least if u fail, u wont mutilate ureself for life.

How about back to the origional question rather than this pointless arguments? Just forget for two minutes all this stuff about helping others and just open your heart -

heres the deal
go take a table salt shaker and a golden delishous apple to an OLD chinese martial artist.
tell him u were told these were to keeys to death you just want to understand out of scientific curiosity.
he will probly not explain the apple to you, because it is a source of untraceable murder.
but he will probly explain the salt.

think i sound crazy? try it.

lol, i’m good at being on the waiting list.

lol you sure are! what are you saying? lol xD

The question is pointless…. there is no least or most painful way to die…the period of time between deciding to do it and whichever way you have choosen to do it taking effect will be the most painful time of your life.

My son took his own life…. and his last dying hours (waiting for an overdose to take effect) were spent online…. talking to a bunch of idiots who thought suicide was cool, his right, and even offers to help him, amongst the most effective ways to do it…. So i guess this topic is a bit near the knuckle for me… But he had no one to turn to…. he stumbled across the wrong site…. maybe if he had found one where people were trying to help him find ways to deal with his problems he might have lived.

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:

PheeGee wrote:
id personally go to switzerland and get it done in an euthanasia way, in comfort. But saying that, i never would do it.

Tears-On-The-Balc☺ wrote:
I know someone who I go to school with who tried to overdose and it didnt work and now she’ s off school for a month and a bit so she can recover and she regrets doing it.
Me personally it would be outside under the full moon on a clear night, not sure how though… Might jump off a cliff… the sea moon and stars on a nice night, that would be my perfect setting to die i. Or I might do that and slit my wrists, with a good dose of druggage before hand to numb the pain a bit… that would be nice too…. watch as it all slowly fades away….. *gazes off into dream world…*

Anonymous wrote:
one of the most efficient way is the train. at night, no one could pull the breaks in time , considering the trains speed when ure jumping when its really close. but then again its a messy way. least painful is overdose, but it might fail, sice doctors can pretty much rescue from it if u re found in time.shooting, hanging, allt those have a degree of discomfort. and , funny fact, most people who try to cut their own throat do it the wrong way or faint before they finish the job.drugs are safer, because at least if u fail, u wont mutilate ureself for life.

How about back to the origional question rather than this pointless arguments? Just forget for two minutes all this stuff about helping others and just open your heart -

my arguments weren;t pointless.i found decent solutions to die. the subject was a hypothetical person dyng of a serious ilness.i sustain that suffering people who know theyre about to die, should be given the opportunity to end it, if they really want to.

Anonymous wrote:
The question is pointless…. there is no least or most painful way to die…the period of time between deciding to do it and whichever way you have choosen to do it taking effect will be the most painful time of your life.

My son took his own life…. and his last dying hours (waiting for an overdose to take effect) were spent online…. talking to a bunch of idiots who thought suicide was cool, his right, and even offers to help him, amongst the most effective ways to do it…. So i guess this topic is a bit near the knuckle for me… But he had no one to turn to…. he stumbled across the wrong site…. maybe if he had found one where people were trying to help him find ways to deal with his problems he might have lived.

well maybe you could/should have mentioned that earlier?

calemus wrote:
as a consideration to the comunity i would ask this not be answered in public.

as a person who deals with depresion and suicidal thoughts, i can sugest it would be bad to post this information publicly in a ariea full of depressed people looking for a way out of crissis.

Anonymous wrote:
Sorry but i tend to agree with calemus…

I’m not suicidal or depressed… I’m not looking for a way out…. painful or not… But if i was there is just a slim chance that reading something like this would tip me over the edge…. Guess it doesn’t matter to the dead person that it was just a question though!

Both these quotes were close to the start of the post…. and ignored.

You do not know who is reading these posts… or their state of mind… It’s not just this post… or even this website…. There are hundrerds of websites that do not realise the effect they have on people…. But that is the problem… It’s cyberspace… not real… not real people who might actually follow through on things… Would you sit opposite a friend who might be habouring suicidial thoughts and tell them how to do it painlessly?

Anonymous wrote:
The question is pointless…. there is no least or most painful way to die…the period of time between deciding to do it and whichever way you have choosen to do it taking effect will be the most painful time of your life.

My son took his own life…. and his last dying hours (waiting for an overdose to take effect) were spent online…. talking to a bunch of idiots who thought suicide was cool, his right, and even offers to help him, amongst the most effective ways to do it…. So i guess this topic is a bit near the knuckle for me… But he had no one to turn to…. he stumbled across the wrong site…. maybe if he had found one where people were trying to help him find ways to deal with his problems he might have lived.

Im sorry to hear that, but who are any of use to judge what “help” would have been? In some situations yes, help is persuading people not to but then for others it may be assisting them in choosing the easiest way to get to what THEY want.

But none of this changes the fact that this is a hypothetical question. No one here is glorifying death, no one here is saying that you SHOULD kill yourself.

Maybe if people could take things a little more lightly then there would be a lot fewer people wanting to kill themselves in the first place.

I’m still sticking with my way lol xD

Maybe i didn’t make it clear…. My son browsed the net…. found a website that was not promoting suicide but was discussing it… There are a lot worse sites out there than the one he ended up on… i discovered those after his death… The conversations he had… some were at best down the middle of the road… weren’t helpful but weren’t harmful either… others were down right cruel. His last hours could have just as easily been spent lying on a bed waiting to die alone… would that have been less painful? I don’t know…. All i do know is that the people who spoke to him during those last hours did not help him… they didn’t make him do it…but they didn’t help him… they didn’t make it any easier for him… and when 20 minutes before he finally went offline someone said to him ” you’re taking a while to go you should have slashed your wrists it would have been quicker” i guess they didn’t think they were doing any harm either. My son died of an overdose… damage to his organs and his heart gives out… he also had a slashed wrist… he was too weak at that point to actually cause much damage to himself by doing it and it didn’t speed up his death but i guess that comment didn’t make his situation any better.

Liv…. Tell me …. honestly in your opinion what is painlessly? An overdose so you slip away quietly… No… My son spent hours in torment while waiting for it to take effect.

no actualy the event of suicide is not the more painfull place. the more painfull place( while still here on earth) is the time before overcomming the suicidal desire.
if u have never hurt so bad that u would be more comfortable( although that is a demonic dilusion only realised after the mistake)being out of the place where u have to deal with the pain causing the desire.

many many times the most scincer person desiring this easy way out is the one quietly studdying, less pain faster, less mess 4 the people to clean up who find me.
the desire to die i see u dont understand.
or understand how dangerous it is.

If your comment is correct and people who really want to commit suicide don’t talk about it, just do it and the majority of people around them don’t recognise or suspect depression until after it is done…. Why did 72 people on that site… 72 people who spoke to him at different points during those last few hours know what he had done… he spoke to them about it…. Sometimes you just don’t have the strenght to go on… my son reached that point… he also reached out… to strangers granted… all who just offered an opinion… and not one of them today would stand up and say i played a part in that… even the guy who told him it would be quicker to slash his wrists.

this may be a little personal but i think this post crossed a boundary a long time ago anyway, did you know beforehand? Or was it a shock to you when you found out?

He didn’t browse the net to find ways to kill himself… or about depression… the history on his computer ( viewed by the police) found nothing to indicate he was depressed or suicidal… he showed no outward signs of it… not to me or his close friends… none of us realised… there was nothing to indicate any problem until the hours after he had taken his overdose and before he died… that is the only time we have found him doing anything online about suicide… However i still believe that if he had found the right site he could have been helped… and i believe that openly discussing ways to kill yourself online is dangerous… my son didn’t find the way to do it online… but he did act upon a stupid idiot’s comments whilst online… My son did not die a painless death… he died a horrible death… with the words of strangers and idiots running round his head. And the reason why your post stood out is because it was like yours…. the title you originally used didn’t seem awful or evil… it was just a question….the forum my son ended up talking on was actually titled …. Have you ever thought about suicide?

the answer to your original post question is waiting aprovel from a moderator,,i have a unusual ability for getting on the quarinteen list. if it gets aproved follow the instructions. if it does not get aproved , well maby those kinds of secrets arnt ment 2 b shared.

I think… and sometimes i believe it’s more hope than think… that when he saw that forum he thought he had found something that might help…. might be enough to stop him and seek help… give him a reason to call for help… but it turned out that a forum with a title as innocent as that may have very well stopped him seeking help. i can’t stop people posting what they think are innocent comments online… i can’t change the laws like i would like to stop things happening like this but i can ask people to just stop and think… you don’t know who is reading posts or forums… you don’t understand the ins and outs of a suicidal person and therefore it is too dangerous to mess around with the topic.

I think its safe to say that a LOT of people on here do know the ins and outs of a suicidal person…

Why on Earth are we giving people ideas how to kill themselves?

Aphid wrote:
Why on Earth are we giving people ideas how to kill themselves?

Im sorry but that actually did make me giggle. That was so.. “Ive walked in on WHAT now?”

Of course your not. unsubscribing.

is there any way for me to get my still yet unaproved post to be deleated b 4 it clears?

See how easy it is Liv…. for someone to find a site and misunderstand what it is about?

calemus wrote:
is there any way for me to get my still yet unaproved post to be deleated b 4 it clears?

what did you say? youre own opinion on this? How it would be for you?

what i said was a mistake, i am highly trained in martial arts and the such. my mistake was giving an answer to the original question

same here, i like trying to actually answer these questions, instead of moaning about them.

Well, to start with anyway.

My son did not as far as we know have any signs of depression… we do know that an event happened an hour or so before he took the pills that my son obviously found so traumatic he decided his life was not worth living…He found the site after he took the pills…. I’m not blaming the site for putting ideas in his head… he made his decision… There is no evidence that he trawled through hundreds of sites before he found that one either so no indication that he was looking for anything in particular… If anything his history indicates that he was looking for help prior to finding that site… and i mean help as in how to undo the effects of taking the pills… For sure…. the site made him feel worse about the situation he was in… and not everyone on there was condoning suicide… just not enough of them were giving the right advice… some of the comments made on this post could have been taken off that forum he was on… almost word for word… so suicide obviously provokes a lot of similiar opinions in people.

I know this is random but how much is concidered an overdose?

The title was ” Have you ever thought about suicide”…. How does that title actually translate into your eyes as ” read this if you want to know how to kill yourself”? I don’t think it did in my son’s eyes either. The title gives no indication that it promotes suicide or ways in how to do it… My son was influenced by that one person only in as far as he then tried to speed it up a bit by slashing his wrist…other people did go as far as offer advice to call 999 and get to a hospital… there is even an indication that my son spoke to someone on the telephone…. however that call can’t be traced and we will never know if it was someone trying to help or another idiot telling him to hurry up.

What was the even? Break up with a girlfriend? I know someone who was about to jump out of a window when his broke up with him. then he though about who he lived for and decided against it

The logical answer is to get to a hospital as soon as possible… I’m guessing he wasn’t being very logical that night… He wasn’t an idiot… he was educated and talented, beautiful and well liked, he had so much promise, so much to offer… one event overtook him at a time when for whatever reason he couldn’t reach out to those around him…. he tried to reach out to strangers… he died because of that… not because of what they said… his decision was made… the only difference that could have occurred that night was not to condone suicide in anyway online…. he knew it was a sin… that tore him apart… but people online made it easier for him to stop making that call…. they told him he had the right to die in whatever why he wanted to.

Who’s to say that it was a genuine attempt to end his life when he took the pills… it may have been a cry for help…. He didn’t know if he had taken enough pills or if he needed to take more or different ones… he went online and found that site… he could have been looking for someone to talk to about what he had done… he could have been looking for a way back…. who’s to say that one comment on that site didn’t tip him over the edge… stop him calling for help… he had time to…. he appeared to want it from some of the comments he made. I will never know who/what comment made the difference to him if any…. all i do know is that suicide is too easily dismissed as painless…. Even if you could find a painless way to do it… it is never painless for those left behind.

how long ago did this happen anon?

He died on the 22nd of August 2008… 177 days ago… verdict…. misadventure… so even in the eyes of the law there was no evidence to confirm suicide… to confirm suicide there has to be some kind of depression attritubted to the case… Nothing was found to indicate depression prior to that night… nothing was found to indicate anything but the event directly before it was linked to his “suicide”. No one can be convinced he meant to do it… the only thing that was recorded as fact during his inquest was that ” his activity online during those last few hours of life certainly played a part in the death of this young man”.

I guess that is why Samaritians don’t get many calls and the calls that they do get don’t make any differnce then. Waste of time petitioning for my local landmark to put up signs asking you to ring the Samaritians if you are thinking about suicide… Strange that before those signs were put up the death rate from throwing yourself off the bridge was three times higher than it is now…

The judge went as far as to recognise that his online activity that night played a part in his death…. hours of evidence can’t be summed up on this post… but the law won’t go as far as to prosecute the idiots online who played the part in that activity…. Until it is changed… and the sooner the better.

Euthanasia…. as you describe it is very different from suicide… Even when and i hope one day it is made legal…. it will never go as far as to allow someone to end their life because of a terminal illness or unbearable pain by jumping in front of a train, slashing your wrists or swallowing a cocktail of pills that may possibly end your suffering… Why… Because none of those ways are painless. It will also not allow someone suffering from depression to end their life when there are ways to treat depression successfully or someone like my son make a decision to end his life without seeking alternatives first.

I think burning would be the worst… Especially if you had done it in the way the burned Witches… With a wet stick to your spine- so that you would stay alive and feel it the very longest time.

The least painful would have to be drugs… That I’d think would be the least.

I don’t intend this for anyone, but a facile and perhaps recognized as the most painlessly indubitable death would be inferred none other than a gun shot directly into the skull.

Well.. I must say this is a horrible post for someone who is seriously considering suicide but cant make up their mind as to how to do it as least painful as possibly.

With that being said.

I would take (at least a hand full of pills) to over dose and then I would shoot myself in the head. Makes me so mad when I see movies where someone is going to assist in suicide and they shoot the person in the heart..really..the heart?..they usually miss and then the person dies from loss of blood witch would be the worst way to go..I allways yell..the head you idiot THE HEAD.

Pfft..I guess it is more “romantic” to shoot someone in the heart, but the head will do the job.

I know, Im a bit morbid.

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