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The philosophy behind Alice in wonderland…

I read it many many times, and still i am puzzled by one phrase i couldn’t find meaning for.

at the beginning, when she falls into the rabbit hole, she picks up from one of the shelves a jar,
it has “orange jam” written on it, and its empty.
so she returns it to one of the shelves…

what could be the meanings of this? or what part it takes in the story?

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Fusion ZX offline Verified User (11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (3 minutes after post)

Well the best things I have learned about alice in wonderland is from kingdom hearts and jefferson airplane. Actually I didn’t learn anything from the first one but according to the second one you should ask alice when she’s ten feet tall about chasing rabbits and do like the door knob says and feed your head.

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An Unknown Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (3 minutes after post)

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Cryptic Caroline offline Verified User (1 year) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (10 minutes after post)

erm i dunno maybe it means something like expect the unexpected or something like that…or maybe it has no particular meaning and its just there and a space filler :)

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8 months, 3 weeks ago (22 minutes after post)

Not everything is what it appears to be.

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An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (36 minutes after post)

Personally, I believe that Mr. Lewis knew that the book would be analysed and torn to shreds by people trying to find meaning in every single part of it, even though it is essentially a children’s book. And I think he put in a few little tricks like that just to puzzle people and make them come up with ridiculous theories as to why they are there.

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An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (37 minutes after post)

I don’t mean that you are tearing it to shreds, by the way! I just mean that some people do. And I wasn’t giving out about people finding meaning in it. I think it’s great to do that. I just think he had a laugh at our expense by including some things which had no meaning at all.

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grbghp offline Verified User (11 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 18 #
An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (40 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:
Not everything is what it appears to be.

i don’t think so, because she wasn’t expecting anything, she just took the jar out randomly out of boredom, and since it was empty she just put it back on the nearest shelf…

Cecilia wrote:
Personally, I believe that Mr. Lewis knew that the book would be analysed and torn to shreds by people trying to find meaning in every single part of it, even though it is essentially a children’s book. And I think he put in a few little tricks like that just to puzzle people and make them come up with ridiculous theories as to why they are there.

thats what i guessed too,
but i know some people study the book inside-out and wondered if there is some common interpretation to this part…

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An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (1 hour, 37 minutes after post)

Children usually don’t put things back to shelves unless they were told to or promised a candy if they did it. So it is very unusual for a child to do such thing, she wants to act like an adult. She is in a strange place she never saw before and for all children that is frightening of the unknown. She might have felt scared if she wouldn’t put that back to the shelf, it might have created problems later on.

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An Unknown Location | 8 months, 2 weeks ago (3 days, 19 hours after post)

I think it just has to do with incentives. In the case of alice she was promised orange jam since she picked it off the shelf. the whole problem with it was that it was empty and so she was now stuck holding an empty jar and no jam in her stomach to compensate for her being stuck with it. Now that she has the jar and is continously falling down she doesn’t want it to hit anyone on its way down eventhough physics tells us that they would both hit the floor at the same time so she could just let it fall along side with her but the weirdness of the situation makes her act weirdly as well and instead she places it on a shelf as she falls down. i don’t think it has any implications other than to show the hassle of having something empty like an empty mind and how useless it is, but at the same time can be very dangerous, such as someone who doesnt know anything about the situation they are in (just like alice in this case). but then again this feels like a too deep analysis.

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grbghp offline Verified User (11 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 18 #
An Undisclosed Location | 8 months, 2 weeks ago (1 week, 1 day after post)

Interesting insights :)
now my mind can rest…
(or work harder, depends how you look at it)

and this is becoming more and more interesting so if you have more ideas about this, please, do tell.

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An Unknown Location | 7 months ago (1 month, 3 weeks after post)

Mr. Dodgson was a mathematician as well, which should be taken into consideration.

Interestingly, the phrase, “orange jam” is composed of 9 letters. But the phrase is divided into “orange”(6) and “jam”(3), both multiples of 3. There are 4 vowels and 5 consonants total in these two words.

The questions I would look into, if I were to delve into this thoroughly, would relate to physics theories around the time. Alice goes down a rabbit hole to a different reality. This later comes to the science world as the idea of the Einstein-Rossen Bridges (e.g. wormholes).

I would first ask, whether the shape of the jar is a metaphor for anything else? (e.g. space, circular=time, space within matter, etc.)

Then I would ask what would be significant about an “orange” over any other circular fruit? Was there anything around the time when this was written, that dealt with oranges? Why jam, why not marmalade or something that would be a more appropriate spread for an Englishman?

Deductive logic, should eventually get you there. But, the jar is empty, and the irony could be that symbolism is sometimes empty as well.

Good luck.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months, 4 weeks ago (3 months, 3 weeks after post)

because neither is made of cheese

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An Unknown Location | 4 months, 4 weeks ago (3 months, 3 weeks after post)

hannah.lenno wrote:
because neither is made of cheese

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An Unknown Location | 4 months, 4 weeks ago (3 months, 3 weeks after post)

hannah.lenno wrote:
because neither is made of cheese

What does cheese have to do with anything? I am completely lost, or you are blathering pointlessly.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 3 weeks ago (5 months, 4 weeks after post)

there is no signifigant meaning toward the orange jam except for the fact that oranges are not made into jam, they are made into marmalades.

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