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I need to vent!

My counselor made me sign a contract last week in therapy and one of the stipulations was that I would attend 3 different groups once a week. Well one of the groups conflicts with my playing hockey. When I informed her of this she told me “Too bad, the hockey season is almost over anyway” She knows we play all year round and the only reason she wants me in groups is to become more socially involved. So why can’t I play hockey instead of going to group?

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~willard~ offline Verified User (8 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (3 minutes after post)

I cant believe couselors make their patients do stupid things…. and whats with the contracts? I may have only seem one counselor but that doesnt sound right… not sure what to do to help you… sorry

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Irish... offline Verified User (10 months, 4 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (4 minutes after post)

Talk to her again.. How many weeks of hockey is left?? Do you socialise with people at hockey??

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Quantum_Spirit offline Verified User (8 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 25 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (5 minutes after post)

Well that’s really a bit*ch. I would suggest talking to your parents, see if they can make her see she’s not thinking rationally.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (6 minutes after post)

irishtweet wrote:
Talk to her again.. How many weeks of hockey is left?? Do you socialise with people at hockey??

We play all year round. Yea, I socialize with people at hockey.

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (8 minutes after post)

It seems like she could rearrange the group that conflicts with your hobby or just cancel it until the season concludes. Are three sessions of therapy a week really necessary?

What are the consequences for breaching this contract?

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Jennaaaxox offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 13 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (8 minutes after post)

Just tell her no. You’ve always done the hockey, and if anything, it is making you more socially involved then sitting talking to a bunch of people you’ve never met. Tell her that doing hockey is better for you because it’s going to keep you healthy, keep you active, build up confidence, meet new people, learn new skills, and help you work as a team….its enterpising and does you a whole lot more good than going to some club or something which you likely wont even enjoy…

Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (9 minutes after post)

Being discharged from therapy

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Irish... offline Verified User (10 months, 4 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (11 minutes after post)

Hey… well then explain to her that hockey is only for a few more weeks & you do socialise at hockey so you will do the other 2 groups & then pick up the third one when the hockey season closes… That should be a fair compromise.. If she doesn’t agree then I would speak to your parents and see if they will have a word with her….

Don’t worry - I’m sure she will agree to a happy compromise… :)

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7 months, 2 weeks ago (11 minutes after post)

See if there’s another group on another night?

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (12 minutes after post)

But we play ALL year round

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (12 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:
See if there’s another group on another night?

She’s dead set on this group

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (13 minutes after post)

As Tears mentioned, it would seem apparent that your hockey games are more socially interactive and conducive to your therapy rather than a group session.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (15 minutes after post)

Yea, that’s what I think

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (18 minutes after post)

But is this negotiable with your counselor, or is she going to be extremely adamant about this?

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (19 minutes after post)

No, she is adamant

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (21 minutes after post)

Tell her she is an shortsighted counselor!

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Irish... offline Verified User (10 months, 4 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (23 minutes after post)

Puck You wrote:
No, she is adamant

Well then speak to your parents… It is not a counsellors job to make you do anything; encourage yes but make no… Maybe she was having a really off day & came across too strong… Maybe she thought you were using hockey as an excuse not to go to the group but either way she can’t make you… Go have a chat with your parents :)

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (23 minutes after post)

OK, I will.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (26 minutes after post)

irishtweet wrote:

Puck You wrote:
No, she is adamant

Well then speak to your parents… It is not a counsellors job to make you do anything; encourage yes but make no… Maybe she was having a really off day & came across too strong… Maybe she thought you were using hockey as an excuse not to go to the group but either way she can’t make you… Go have a chat with your parents :)

OK, thanks

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (28 minutes after post)

When you signed the contract, doesn’t that secure her profit?

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littlenick online Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 123 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (30 minutes after post)

Does this counselor get money from you, your parents, or the government for these counseling sessions? And are they mandated by any court of law that you actually must attend?

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (31 minutes after post)

I guess. The contract stated that I had to attend 3 groups a week, that I wouldn’t call her or use crisis services more than once a week, that I wouldn’t use drugs or alcohol, that I would have my meds bubble packed, and that I wouldn’t miss any appts.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (32 minutes after post)

littlenick wrote:
Does this counselor get money from you, your parents, or the government for these counseling sessions? And are they mandated by any court of law that you actually must attend?

not mandated by court and paid for by my insurance.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (33 minutes after post)

Puck You wrote:
I guess. The contract stated that I had to attend 3 groups a week, that I wouldn’t call her or use crisis services more than once a week, that I wouldn’t use drugs or alcohol, that I would have my meds bubble packed, and that I wouldn’t miss any appts.

Oh and if I don’t do any of these things I will be discharged from therapy.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (34 minutes after post)

Puck You wrote:

littlenick wrote:
Does this counselor get money from you, your parents, or the government for these counseling sessions? And are they mandated by any court of law that you actually must attend?

not mandated by court and paid for by my insurance.

government insurance

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (35 minutes after post)

medicaid and medicare

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littlenick online Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 123 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (35 minutes after post)

Then the counselor is doing you more harm than good by making you give up hockey for the counseling sessions. Specially if you, yourself, after your hockey sessions. She should see your hockey sessions as part of your therapy for socializing. She sounds like a shortsighted counselor with very narrow minded ideas about counseling. I would go over her head or I would even talk to the insurance company and explain to them your situation. This counselor sounds like she/he needs a lesson in flexibility!

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (38 minutes after post)

Well you would think she would understand because she plays hockey herself!But I may have to do what you suggested. I am going to attempt to make her see my side of things when I see her tomorrow and if I can’t I will go over her head.

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littlenick online Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 123 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (38 minutes after post)

So you would lose that insurance if you did not attend?

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (39 minutes after post)

No, just therapy.

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littlenick online Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 123 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (46 minutes after post)

Do you think this therapy is helping you? Sounds like from the way this counselor is behaving is doing you more harm than good. From your reading your post, sounds like you have been sweating this issue a lot. I would talk to your parents and have a good sit down with this “counselor” and see if she can improve her bedside manners to help you better.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (47 minutes after post)

Well, I have been seeing her for 5 years and she had helped me out a lot up until now. It’s this stupid contract!

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (49 minutes after post)

If it were me, I would try to advocate the benefit of playing hockey and see if she will stipulate your hobby as being helpful to you, and perhaps consider your own desire for enjoyment. I think she would understand that you wouldn’t mind taking three classes if you had the convenience. She would’ve to be very apathetic in my opinion, to disregard your personal interests of a little recreation and demand that her terms be abided infallibly. However, if it contributes to her profit then she could very well be self-righteously unyeilding and not feel guilty for her stubbornness.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (51 minutes after post)

True. I’ll try that tomorrow.

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Jennaaaxox offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 13 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (51 minutes after post)

Puck You wrote:
Well, I have been seeing her for 5 years and she had helped me out a lot up until now. It’s this stupid contract!

you shouldn’t have signed it if you didn’t agree to it.

I was at somethign in school and they gave us all a contract to sign saying we’ll do this and we’ll do that and I disagreed with the lot of it.
I was the last on given it and i just sat there and read it through whilst everyone else signed it. When they all had and they asked me to I just said no I dont agree with it and I dont want too. They were a bit shocked at me for saying it but after i made it clear I wasn’t gunna sign it they just took it back and said alright then.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (52 minutes after post)

Tears.Quacks.N.Rawrs wrote:

Puck You wrote:
Well, I have been seeing her for 5 years and she had helped me out a lot up until now. It’s this stupid contract!

you shouldn’t have signed it if you didn’t agree to it.

I was at somethign in school and they gave us all a contract to sign saying we’ll do this and we’ll do that and I disagreed with the lot of it.
I was the last on given it and i just sat there and read it through whilst everyone else signed it. When they all had and they asked me to I just said no I dont agree with it and I dont want too. They were a bit shocked at me for saying it but after i made it clear I wasn’t gunna sign it they just took it back and said alright then.

I told her no and then she said that she would discharge me from therapy then.

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (55 minutes after post)

So she blackmailed you? Sounds like she needs counseling.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (56 minutes after post)

Yea, I know!

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Jennaaaxox offline Verified User (1 year, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 13 #
An Unknown Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (58 minutes after post)

Puck You wrote:
I told her no and then she said that she would discharge me from therapy then.

Nice threat…but she seems to be playing the discharge card a bit tooooo often

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour after post)

Yea, I know. But I have to take those threats seriously.

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 5 minutes after post)

Perhaps if she doesn’t wish to allow the continuation of your hockey games, then maybe you should inform her that coercion is a unlawful even if you do have a license to practice or at least think you do.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 7 minutes after post)

Yea

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 8 minutes after post)

That sounds like a reasonable compromise

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 10 minutes after post)

How difficult would it be for you to get appointed to a new counselor? Lets say if she decides to be relentless.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 11 minutes after post)

It would be pointless because the contract would follow me and all the other counselors would be the same way.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 13 minutes after post)

The only counseling office that will take my insurance is hers and that means that the only way I could switch counselors would be to switch to someone within her office which means my file would be transferred over and the contract would be too.

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)

But the possibility of a different counselor being more verbally compromising and lenient is hopeless in that department?

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)

yup

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 21 minutes after post)

If anyone is going to be lenient it would be her.

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Good ole boy online Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 11 #
An Undisclosed Location | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 25 minutes after post)

I see, well nevertheless I wish you the best of luck in your attempt to dissuade her from insisting that you exclude your recreational activity.

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Puck You offline Verified User (1 year, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
Spokane, WA, US | 7 months, 2 weeks ago (1 hour, 26 minutes after post)

Thanks. I’ll let you know what happens.

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