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Because some people are just a$$holes.

jcd wrote:
Because some people are just a$$holes.

I totally agree!

who the heck encouraged you to kill yourself!?

Never listen to anyone who encourages you to do harm to yourself or to others.

just ignore them lv,they sound like theyve had a bad day themselves :/

I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

Maybe you misinterpreted them, you ever think of that?

I highly doubt they encouraged you to kill yourself BECAUSE they want you to. Maybe they were trying to get you to really think about what your saying.

Your first statement kind of throws me “Why are some people so selfish because of bad things that happened to them” - What did you mean by this?

All people have are their past experiences, so whatever advice they give you, its based off that. How does informing you of something they’ve come to conclude from observations of you make them selfish?

lobbyi wrote:
because they know in their own hearts that they don’t have the courage to do it themselves.

I’m sorry…”courage”? I dont think that’s the word for it.

lobbyi wrote:
OK, How about “b*lls?”

I’m not gonna go into it, but I’d go with “audacity”, myself. But but sure b*lls, I guess

usurper wrote:
Maybe you misinterpreted them, you ever think of that?

I highly doubt they encouraged you to kill yourself BECAUSE they want you to. Maybe they were trying to get you to really think about what your saying.

Your first statement kind of throws me “Why are some people so selfish because of bad things that happened to them” - What did you mean by this?

All people have are their past experiences, so whatever advice they give you, its based off that. How does informing you of something they’ve come to conclude from observations of you make them selfish?

No she literally said she wanted me to kill myself and i she hates me for wanting to kill myself, thus shes selfish.

sum wrote:

No she literally said she wanted me to kill myself and i she hates me for wanting to kill myself, thus shes selfish.

You have to look behind what people are saying and look at their motives in saying it.

What she’s saying is - I’m tired of hearing you whining about you wanting to kill yourself, because if you really wanted to you would have done it already.

She probably doesn’t understand why you want to kill yourself, because quite honestly its just one of the most selfish things you could ever do, and thus is egging you on to go ahead and prove to her just how selfish you are by requesting that you go ahead and do it.

Its not a selfish thing to say in my opinion - harsh but not selfish. She trying to get you to think about what your saying.

Yes, its quite harsh - but some folk and in some cases - its the way to get their point across. I guess it didn’t work in this case though.

She claimed i was an attention seeker but she seeks more attention than me and no, she is very very selfish clearly. I never said anything about killing myself to her before, i was asking her if I should and asked whats wrong with me and she said yes and claimed im an attention seeker and shes sick of attention seekers and called me emo(highly hypocritically if you know what she acts like and listens to and dressed like), she also made false claims that i think my problems are so bad, but i just think i deserve as much attention and care as anyone else, in fact i constantly tried to help her when she was down yet still shes so selfish she told me to kill myself. I hate this ******* world and everyone in it now because of how ******* selfish everyone is.

theres no point if all information is false

Well I dont know what to say - you’ve already made up your mind.

What im saying is its completly stupid for people to be so self centered thinking they are better than someone just because they think they have worse problems. People no matter there problems are still people who feel things jsut the same and should be cared for instead of shunned. In fact she could be easily shunned too, ive heard much worse than her before. Its pure selfishness and making the excuse that if something bad happens it gives them the excuse to be complete ******* and assholes to everyone. **** I actually became even nicer from bad things happening to me but shes just a ***** and her true colors are showing. Hopefully what i said to her about me pitying her will set her straight and give her the mental smack she needs.

She’s probably hoping what she said will do the same.

No I dont think so…. theres nothing wrong with me and im caring and loving while shes being pure *****.

sum wrote:
No I dont think so…. theres nothing wrong with me and im caring and loving while shes being pure *****.

Yeah, you could think that. Or you could try and understand what shes saying.

She said she hates me and wants me to kill myself and shes not going to stop me -_- Your defending someone who wants me dead? wtf?

She’s being immature about the whole thing, I’ll give you that, but she simply wants you to stop saying “I’m so depressed I want to kill myself”‘ because she doesnt buy that you actually do - she thinks that what you really want is attention, or as YOU refer to it “love and care”.

Which is fair - it doesn’t have to mean a bad thing, everyone wants to be cared for. So in that sense, you are seeking attention, even if you aren’t willing to admit it.

But again, it doesn’t have to mean that you are bad for wanting it. She wants you to STOP AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR SAYING.

To her: You don’t want to die or you would have done it already. Therefore you must need/want someone to talk to.

I know someone who is an attention seeker and he has a severe mental illness and she has also talked to him so that could be part of the problem if he ever did it to her. He is so harmful that a lot of the people who have talked to him cant even hear his name without freaking out or shaking or crying. Attention seekers lie and exaggerate, not be honest. Wanting someone to care isnt the same as seeking attention, i could just as easily hide in a corner of my room all alone and never speak to anyone ever again and i would still feel the same way. Im just honest and open.

I also repeatedly asked her “how are you?” “I hope your alright” and she ignored that as if i didnt care =/

“i could just as easily hide in a corner of my room all alone and never speak to anyone ever again and i would still feel the same way” I dont think you can claim that until you’ve tried it…just sayin…

“Wanting someone to care isnt the same as seeking attention” - I fail to see the difference. Care and attention go hand in hand.

It sounds like your generalizing everyone into one mass clump… or a bunch of mass clumps. I dont think it works like that.

“Attention Seeker” is a label and sounds bad, but to me, it doesn’t mean anything bad about about someone at all.

She’s probably frustrated because as I’ve come to note you take things a bit too personally. I’ve answered a few of your posts on different occasions, but you tend to make up your mind and that’s that.

I too get frustrated with that. If you’ve already decided that a certain situation means one thing and nothing else and no matter what anyone elses opinion on it is, you still think your right, then what can I say?

usurper wrote:
“i could just as easily hide in a corner of my room all alone and never speak to anyone ever again and i would still feel the same way” I dont think you can claim that until you’ve tried it…just sayin…

“Wanting someone to care isnt the same as seeking attention” - I fail to see the difference. Care and attention go hand in hand.

It sounds like your generalizing everyone into one mass clump… or a bunch of mass clumps. I dont think it works like that.

“Attention Seeker” is a label and sounds bad, but to me, it doesn’t mean anything bad about about someone at all.

Does not speaking to anyone for 3 years count?

No attention seeking is when you force people to care. Wanting someone to is when you give them a chance to.

I treat people like individuals but sadly they are all starting to seem the sme =(

usurper wrote:
She’s probably frustrated because as I’ve come to note you take things a bit too personally. I’ve answered a few of your posts on different occasions, but you tend to make up your mind and that’s that.

I too get frustrated with that. If you’ve already decided that a certain situation means one thing and nothing else and no matter what anyone elses opinion on it is, you still think your right, then what can I say?

=(

It seems like everyone hates me so much =(

sum wrote:
It seems like everyone hates me so much =(

That’s probably because you think they do.

Have you tried, you know, examining yourself and perhaps even working to make a CHANGE?

No it isnt, I dont expect anything and BAM they ******* hate me for stupid reasons.

I am changing but it so sickening that people cant accept me at all when im so nice to them and never do anything bad. It makes me hate the world for how sickeningly selfish everyone is. :’(

I dont think “attention seeking” is what you defined it as at all. That’s just your opinion.

Think of it like this - you have an opinion, you think somethings are a certain way.

But Susie (for example) disagrees with you. She thinks the exact oppisite of what you think because she has seen and done and had different things done to her then you. Her life has been different from your life up to this point, so her point of view is very different from yours.

It doesn’t make you wrong. It doesn’t make her right. It makes you guys different. It’s not an attack on you, or your opinion. It’s her having an opinion of her own.

You can agree, disagree or remain impartial - but either way you cant do a thing about what people have already decided for themselves.

You either stand your ground, or you find examine yourself and find the flaws in your approach and try to again.

sum wrote:
No it isnt, I dont expect anything and BAM they ******* hate me for stupid reasons.

I am changing but it so sickening that people cant accept me at all when im so nice to them and never do anything bad. It makes me hate the world for how sickeningly selfish everyone is. :’(

Everyone is not sickeningly selfish kid. You have some kind of absolute way of thinking going on here.

Why should people accept you? You make it sound like the world owes you something. It doesn’t owe any of us a **** thing is the truth - you were given life, that’s what you get. And that’s about it. Everything else is just an added bonus.

I already understand that but its just stupid bad things shouuld rule over someones mind like a virus. Which is kind of why i prefer to listen to someone younger because they arent as tainted as those who have had thier lives beat them down.

Thats why i think sometimes i maybe should kill myself =( i get treated like **** just for being me even with my opinions being very open ended and open minded. It keeps making me depressed.

sum wrote:
I already understand that but its just stupid bad things shouuld rule over someones mind like a virus. Which is kind of why i prefer to listen to someone younger because they arent as tainted as those who have had thier lives beat them down.

Ever heard the term “Ignorance is bliss”? Why do you prefer to listen to someone younger just because they understand less about how life works? Where is that going to get you? Social regression, that’s what.

And for the record, maybe you just think your open minded. You dont sound very open minded a lot of the time to be honest. And thats not a personal attack, just an observation

usurper wrote:

sum wrote:
No it isnt, I dont expect anything and BAM they ******* hate me for stupid reasons.

I am changing but it so sickening that people cant accept me at all when im so nice to them and never do anything bad. It makes me hate the world for how sickeningly selfish everyone is. :’(

Everyone is not sickeningly selfish kid. You have some kind of absolute way of thinking going on here.

Why should people accept you? You make it sound like the world owes you something. It doesn’t owe any of us a **** thing is the truth - you were given life, that’s what you get. And that’s about it. Everything else is just an added bonus.

Most seem to be though =(

fine then i will just leave this world if things keep going the way they are because im such a horrible person who doesnt deserve to live and dont deserve **** =(

usurper wrote:

sum wrote:
I already understand that but its just stupid bad things shouuld rule over someones mind like a virus. Which is kind of why i prefer to listen to someone younger because they arent as tainted as those who have had thier lives beat them down.

Ever heard the term “Ignorance is bliss”? Why do you prefer to listen to someone younger just because they understand less about how life works? Where is that going to get you? Social regression, that’s what.

And for the record, maybe you just think your open minded. You dont sound very open minded a lot of the time to be honest. And thats not a personal attack, just an observation

only more reason to die then =(

thanks for making me cry =(

Oh man, I’m rolling my eyes, but you cant tell because the computer is in the way.

See this is the point where that girl would say “Fine, go do it then” - because even after the countless attempts of me saying “how about you try CHANGING”, you still continue on thinking this way.

Your poisonous attitude has you working against yourself. I really dont know what to say to that “fine then I will just leave this world” what does that even mean? I’m not sure if you know.

Why is that a reason to cry?! It should be a reason to say “Huh, maybe I should take a look at myself”

I’m done - I don’t know what else to say that I haven’t already said.

Try kid. TRY - try to make something with what you’ve got. That’s all any of us can do.

world of assholes and hypocrites and selfish people im sick of it

dont people say not to change for anyone? but those very same ******* people expect constant change and expect people to not be anything at all =/

Theres another example of why it might really be better to be dead, no matter what i do, no one seems to give a **** unless it meats there own selfish standards.

You dont change for anyone - you change for YOURSELF. Because whatever way you were doing it before isnt making you happy and has left you lost. That is why you change.

The world IS NOT filled with just hypocrites and assholes - get over yourself. And I mean that quite respectfully, of course.

Am I seriously that horrible of a person? Im stuck being expected to be perfect apparently =(

That still doesnt sound respectful =/

Where did I say your a horrible person? You came up with that all on your own.

I said you should take a look at yourself. And that’s what I’ve been saying this whole time.

You didnt say it but your actions say im a horrible person and im seriously ****** up and in the wrong =(

and stop calling me kid, im 22 =/

sum wrote:
You didnt say it but your actions say im a horrible person and im seriously ****** up and in the wrong =(

No. That’s how your interpreting it. Why do you feel so hard done by?

sum wrote:
and stop calling me kid, im 22 =/

Then I feel even LESS sorry for you. We’re the same age dude - why do you still think like the world owes you a bed of roses to lie on?

“feel so hard done by”? what? could you reword that?

fine then i dont deserve to live, i dont deserve love, i dont deserve anything but death and hatred toward me =(

If I could give you a good “WAKE UP” slap in the face, I would.

Your not a horrible person - you just whine an awful lot.

Think on this: if you are such a caring and open minded person - why is it that everyone says these things to you? Maybe because, POSSIBLY, they see something that you are missing?

sum wrote:
“feel so hard done by”? what? could you reword that?

fine then i dont deserve to live, i dont deserve love, i dont deserve anything but death and hatred toward me =(

How do you come up with this stuff? How is that what you get from what I’m saying?

I dont “whine” any more than anyone else. Just look around on this entire site, i dont ***** about things that dont matter i just express my feelings on things that DO MATTER.

What am i supposedly missing? =/

usurper wrote:

sum wrote:
“feel so hard done by”? what? could you reword that?

fine then i dont deserve to live, i dont deserve love, i dont deserve anything but death and hatred toward me =(

How do you come up with this stuff? How is that what you get from what I’m saying?

because you dont seem to get it and are making false statements about me such as i expect the world to revolve around me kind of bull **** when its the complete opposite and i care about others more than myself, A LOT.

You’re not anyone else, so why bother comparing yourself by the standards of “anyone else”? Why settle for the norm?

And you whine more then anyone I know. So yeah, you kind of do whine more then anyone else. Or at least in some circles.

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Lets stop arguing for a second so I can ask you - HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO CHANGE? You know, like think about things with a different attitude and not just “everyone picks on me I hate everyone because no one accept me”

**** people. Were all mad. Were all compensating for something. Were all weirdos. Be yourself, who ever that is. If you cant convince people that you are a caring compassionate person, its because your not trying hard enough.

Or its because your current method is not working - in which case, maybe you should try a different one… which is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying this entire time.

So what? How do I not deserve any right to feel bad? Im not ******** about a ******* cell phone or stupid **** like that or anything like a lot of idiots do.
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I didnt start out with that, in fact i had the most positive personality ever. Its just no matter what I do its the same **** over and over and over again. I dont actually hate everyone but it feels like it sometimes but i still love them but it gets pretty hard to give love if someone keeps failing the minimal requirement of being at at least a halfway decent person to me.

They do know without me trying to but the problem is they get all selfish and forget or dont give a ****. How is always asking how someone is and talking to them for hours and hours on end, always saying sorry, always admitting if im wrong, not usually expecting anything in return, not trying enough? =/

lol it looks funny the things i say when it gets long censoring

jcd wrote:
Never listen to anyone who encourages you to do harm to yourself or to others.

i agree

So do you ever try anything anyone suggests or do you just make excuses?

Of course you have a right to feel bad - everyone has the right to do anything (and we’re all fully aware of that fact) - that’s not a valid point, it applies to everything.

anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

fcell04 wrote:
anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

Unless of course they didn’t actually mean it, and they are just calling you on it.

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:
anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

Unless of course they didn’t actually mean it, and they are just calling you on it.

no ANYONE who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised. Whether you mean it or not doesnt matter if you tell someone else to kill themselves then you deserve a darwin award.

fcell04 wrote:

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:
anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

Unless of course they didn’t actually mean it, and they are just calling you on it.

no ANYONE who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised. Whether you mean it or not doesnt matter if you tell someone else to kill themselves then you deserve a darwin award.

I think, pretty much like everything else, it depends on the circumstances and the person. But whatever.

It is an asinine thing to say though, agreed.

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:
anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

Unless of course they didn’t actually mean it, and they are just calling you on it.

no ANYONE who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised. Whether you mean it or not doesnt matter if you tell someone else to kill themselves then you deserve a darwin award.

I think, pretty much like everything else, it depends on the circumstances and the person. But whatever.

It is an asinine thing to say though, agreed.

Are you kidding me? tell me when is a good circumstance to tell someone to kill themselves? you cant tell on here who is genuine and who isnt and you will eventually end up telling someone who is genuinely suicidal to go kill themselves. Why risk this? just to prove a point? anyone who does tell someone to kill themselves is a complete tool and should be removed from the gene pool.

fcell04 wrote:

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:

usurper wrote:

fcell04 wrote:
anyone who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised.

Unless of course they didn’t actually mean it, and they are just calling you on it.

no ANYONE who encourages another person to commit suicide should be forcefully sterilised. Whether you mean it or not doesnt matter if you tell someone else to kill themselves then you deserve a darwin award.

I think, pretty much like everything else, it depends on the circumstances and the person. But whatever.

It is an asinine thing to say though, agreed.

Are you kidding me? tell me when is a good circumstance to tell someone to kill themselves? you cant tell on here who is genuine and who isnt and you will eventually end up telling someone who is genuinely suicidal to go kill themselves. Why risk this? just to prove a point? anyone who does tell someone to kill themselves is a complete tool and should be removed from the gene pool.

If you insist.

I really don’t think things nor people are that black and white - some are just more challenging then others.

I, myself, haven’t gone on to tell someone to kill themselves, but I can try and understand why someone would say that to someone else - and it isn’t always because they actually want the person to kill themselves, its because they are trying to get that person to stop and think about what their real intentions are - because as I’ve come to note - someone who truly wanted and intends to kill themselves don’t spend their time talking about it or trying to get help - they just go and do it.

That’s not to say that its a good thing to say, surely it isn’t helpful, but perhaps they are just trying to drive their point home.

Why risk it? Because they know (or think they know) that if someone really intended to do themselves in, they would just go and do it.

Thus they don’t think its a risk.

Anonymous wrote:
I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

It is one thing to “try” to kill yourself. It def is an attention seeker because if anyone REALLY wanted to do it and they were that depressed, it would be done.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

It is one thing to “try” to kill yourself. It def is an attention seeker because if anyone REALLY wanted to do it and they were that depressed, it would be done.

That’s what I’m sayin…

But “attention seeker” doesn’t have to mean anything bad about someone. I feel like the term is often used in a negative light. Sometimes people need a hand and don’t know how to ask for it.

usurper wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

It is one thing to “try” to kill yourself. It def is an attention seeker because if anyone REALLY wanted to do it and they were that depressed, it would be done.

That’s what I’m sayin…

You make an excellent point

It isnt just ‘attention seeking’ its a cry for help.

If you let other people influence your life, then you might as well hand them your birthright and forget the importance of it all.

J.N lost wrote:
It isnt just ‘attention seeking’ its a cry for help.

Your right but what I do not understand is it seems like to me, not saying it is at all, that the girl who tried to kill herself a couple times, almost like she is proud of it, since anon was saying expert.

But that is only what it seems to me, again not sayign what it is

MiaMags wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
It isnt just ‘attention seeking’ its a cry for help.

Your right but what I do not understand is it seems like to me, not saying it is at all, that the girl who tried to kill herself a couple times, almost like she is proud of it, since anon was saying expert.

But that is only what it seems to me, again not sayign what it is

Yeah but that’s just the posters side of the story.

I don’t think she was “proud” of it - she is probably more like “I know a lot about it and you sound like an idiot - so stop whining and go ahead and kill yourself if that’s what you want to do”, probably out of frustration more so then intention.

usurper wrote:

MiaMags wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
It isnt just ‘attention seeking’ its a cry for help.

Your right but what I do not understand is it seems like to me, not saying it is at all, that the girl who tried to kill herself a couple times, almost like she is proud of it, since anon was saying expert.

But that is only what it seems to me, again not sayign what it is

Yeah but that’s just the posters side of the story.

I don’t think she was “proud” of it - she is probably more like “I know a lot about it and you sound like an idiot - so stop whining and go ahead and kill yourself if that’s what you want to do”, probably out of frustration more so then intention.

Ahhh yes I see what you mean, makes better sense

MiaMags wrote:

usurper wrote:

MiaMags wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
It isnt just ‘attention seeking’ its a cry for help.

Your right but what I do not understand is it seems like to me, not saying it is at all, that the girl who tried to kill herself a couple times, almost like she is proud of it, since anon was saying expert.

But that is only what it seems to me, again not sayign what it is

Yeah but that’s just the posters side of the story.

I don’t think she was “proud” of it - she is probably more like “I know a lot about it and you sound like an idiot - so stop whining and go ahead and kill yourself if that’s what you want to do”, probably out of frustration more so then intention.

Ahhh yes I see what you mean, makes better sense

I like to think she was “calling his bluff”

I dont agree with that, i mean her doing that not i dont agree with you, but she is young & that isnt an excuse for such behaviour but it could be a reason, she may have no other way to get ppl to notice her so she tells everyone about her suicide attempts or pretence at suicide attempts, whichever the case may be, to get attention, even if the attention she gets is bad some1 is noticeing her, its a sure sigh of low self esteem, which may in turn explain why she isnt a nice person, why she says the bad things she does to the poster,
1] he is inadvertidly taking attention away from her
2] it makes her feel better about herself by making som1 else feel worse
3] if she trys to call the posters bluff, in her eyes that would make her look less guilty of comiting the act of attention seeking by pointing the finger of blame for her crime at some1 else, in this case our poster.

J.N lost wrote:
I dont agree with that, i mean her doing that not i dont agree with you, but she is young & that isnt an excuse for such behaviour but it could be a reason, she may have no other way to get ppl to notice her so she tells everyone about her suicide attempts or pretence at suicide attempts, whichever the case may be, to get attention, even if the attention she gets is bad some1 is noticeing her, its a sure sigh of low self esteem, which may in turn explain why she isnt a nice person, why she says the bad things she does to the poster,
1] he is inadvertidly taking attention away from her
2] it makes her feel better about herself by making som1 else feel worse
3] if she trys to call the posters bluff, in her eyes that would make her look less guilty of comiting the act of attention seeking by pointing the finger of blame for her crime at some1 else, in this case our poster.

I dunno about all that - there is much truth in it, yes - but I don’t necessarily think it makes her a bad person…

Okay, who wants to fight me now?

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I dont agree with that, i mean her doing that not i dont agree with you, but she is young & that isnt an excuse for such behaviour but it could be a reason, she may have no other way to get ppl to notice her so she tells everyone about her suicide attempts or pretence at suicide attempts, whichever the case may be, to get attention, even if the attention she gets is bad some1 is noticeing her, its a sure sigh of low self esteem, which may in turn explain why she isnt a nice person, why she says the bad things she does to the poster,
1] he is inadvertidly taking attention away from her
2] it makes her feel better about herself by making som1 else feel worse
3] if she trys to call the posters bluff, in her eyes that would make her look less guilty of comiting the act of attention seeking by pointing the finger of blame for her crime at some1 else, in this case our poster.

I dunno about all that - there is much truth in it, yes - but I don’t necessarily think it makes her a bad person…

Okay, who wants to fight me now?

NO one should be arguing or fighting. What is the point of it? Just because you have a different opinion? Leanr from it instead of argue. I try to always accept what people think, I do have just a few exceptions.

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I dont agree with that, i mean her doing that not i dont agree with you, but she is young & that isnt an excuse for such behaviour but it could be a reason, she may have no other way to get ppl to notice her so she tells everyone about her suicide attempts or pretence at suicide attempts, whichever the case may be, to get attention, even if the attention she gets is bad some1 is noticeing her, its a sure sigh of low self esteem, which may in turn explain why she isnt a nice person, why she says the bad things she does to the poster,
1] he is inadvertidly taking attention away from her
2] it makes her feel better about herself by making som1 else feel worse
3] if she trys to call the posters bluff, in her eyes that would make her look less guilty of comiting the act of attention seeking by pointing the finger of blame for her crime at some1 else, in this case our poster.

I dunno about all that - there is much truth in it, yes - but I don’t necessarily think it makes her a bad person…

Okay, who wants to fight me now?

Im not really saying she’s a bad person, thats just my theory for the ‘why’ Yhats just the way i think it is

Ha ha we’re funny. Who knows why people say and do anything?

usurper wrote:
I really don’t think things nor people are that black and white - some are just more challenging then others.

I, myself, haven’t gone on to tell someone to kill themselves, but I can try and understand why someone would say that to someone else - and it isn’t always because they actually want the person to kill themselves, its because they are trying to get that person to stop and think about what their real intentions are - because as I’ve come to note - someone who truly wanted and intends to kill themselves don’t spend their time talking about it or trying to get help - they just go and do it.

That’s not to say that its a good thing to say, surely it isn’t helpful, but perhaps they are just trying to drive their point home.

Oh ok so I guess what your saying is that all the suicide hotlines out there are for nothing that millions of dollars spent on counselling people with suicidal tendancies and tryign to keep these hot lines open is a complete waste of time. IF only the rest of the world were as wise as you. Here is a crazy idea how about you actually do some research and talk to counsellors and people who work for suicide prevention charities and see if they agree with your viewpoint instead of making these stupid assumptions. The fact is and I know its a fact from personal experience is that people who commit suicide often have a last try at getting some help and often there is very little between convincing them to not do it and pushing them over the edge. Telling them to just get it over with is probably the worst thing they could hear. Why dont you even just read some suicide prevention websites set up by counsellers and psychiatrists who are a million times more qualified to talk about the subject than you and hopefully you will see how flawed your argument is.

????????????? I’m not too sure how you came to this conclusion.

fcell04 wrote:
Oh ok so I guess what your saying is that all the suicide hotlines out there are for nothing that millions of dollars spent on counselling people with suicidal tendancies and tryign to keep these hot lines open is a complete waste of time.

I’m not too sure how you came to conclude ANY of this actually, I mean yes what you are saying is correct, for the most part, but what I’m unsure of is how you’ve concluded that I am a complete idiot - I’m merely trying to say that I dont think this girl is a horrible person who should be “eliminated from the gene pool” because of what she said.

Some people are less tactful then others. Never once did I say that I agree with what she said - I just don’t think that it means shes a bad person.

Did you miss the part where I said

usurper wrote:
That’s not to say that its a good thing to say, surely it isn’t helpful, but perhaps they are just trying to drive their point home.

and

usurper wrote:

That’s not to say that its a good thing to say, surely it isn’t helpful, but perhaps they are just trying to drive their point home.

I think you took this a bit too personally and misinterpreted my intentions.

You said:

someone who truly wanted and intends to kill themselves don’t spend their time talking about it or trying to get help - they just go and do it.

I said:

Oh ok so I guess what your saying is that all the suicide hotlines out there are for nothing that millions of dollars spent on counselling people with suicidal tendancies and tryign to keep these hot lines open is a complete waste of time

pretty self explanatory

usurper wrote:

It is an asinine thing to say though, agreed.

Apologies - I didn’t mean to quote the same thing twice.

I meant one of them to be this ^^

I just have to say that from alot of posts I have seen, FCELL argues with everyone. He/she does not just accept that other people have opinion and can’t accept that not everyone thinks like him.

I dont argue with everyone If i think someone gives crap advice i tell them

Anonymous wrote:
I just have to say that from alot of posts I have seen, FCELL argues with everyone. He/she does not just accept that other people have opinion and can’t accept that not everyone thinks like him.

fcell04 wrote:
You said:

someone who truly wanted and intends to kill themselves don’t spend their time talking about it or trying to get help - they just go and do it.

I said:

Oh ok so I guess what your saying is that all the suicide hotlines out there are for nothing that millions of dollars spent on counselling people with suicidal tendancies and tryign to keep these hot lines open is a complete waste of time

pretty self explanatory

Sigh….did you miss the parts where we discussed that’s its a cry for help? Or as everyone likes to call it “attention seeking”

which I followed with

usurper wrote:
But “attention seeker” doesn’t have to mean anything bad about someone. I feel like the term is often used in a negative light. Sometimes people need a hand and don’t know how to ask for it.

Your jumping to dramatic conclusions here. Don’t assume - didn’t they ever teach you that?

fcell04 wrote:
I dont argue with everyone If i think someone gives crap advice i tell them

Anonymous wrote:
I just have to say that from alot of posts I have seen, FCELL argues with everyone. He/she does not just accept that other people have opinion and can’t accept that not everyone thinks like him.

Oh ya so that means argue and tell peopel how stupid they are and point out their so called “flaws” in what they think????

NO!! Learn how to just gice your own advice.

You went through one of usurpers comments and broke it down. THATS ARGUING!!!

GET OVER IT!!! this is not about usurper, help the person who wrote this!!!!

And no that does not men correct usurper, that means help the person , be mature and ignore what usurper said just because you dont agree. jeeze what is wrong with people these days.

Agreed - if your really passionate about furthering this discussion - shout me - and you can degrade my opinion all you like without having to waste the posters wall space

Anonymous wrote:

fcell04 wrote:
I dont argue with everyone If i think someone gives crap advice i tell them

Anonymous wrote:
I just have to say that from alot of posts I have seen, FCELL argues with everyone. He/she does not just accept that other people have opinion and can’t accept that not everyone thinks like him.

Oh ya so that means argue and tell peopel how stupid they are and point out their so called “flaws” in what they think????

NO!! Learn how to just gice your own advice.

You went through one of usurpers comments and broke it down. THATS ARGUING!!!

GET OVER IT!!! this is not about usurper, help the person who wrote this!!!!

Well first off if you dont like my posts dont read them second i dont care if everyone agrees with what I think the opinions of strangers dont matter to me. There are plenty of posts that I disagree with that I dont comment on if however I feel that someone is giving bad advice i.e. trying to justify telling someone to go kill themselves when thousands die everyday because of people like this then I will comment.

usurper wrote:
Agreed - if your really passionate about furthering this discussion - shout me - and you can degrade my opinion all you like without having to waste the posters wall space

This is one thing I will agree on. I have said everything I wanted to say so lets leave it at that shall we.

fcell04 wrote:
I dont argue with everyone If i think someone gives crap advice i tell them

Anonymous wrote:
I just have to say that from alot of posts I have seen, FCELL argues with everyone. He/she does not just accept that other people have opinion and can’t accept that not everyone thinks like him.

By who’s standards is it crap advice? Just coz we dont all agree on it doesnt make it crap or not crap its just different opinions from different pionts of view. If we all agreed & said the same thing this post would of finished after the first reply.

Sigh…I never thought I’d say this but, where’s Sum?

Wait a second, no one ever said they did not like your posts, your the one who started on usurpers posts and breaking apart what you did not like…how did anyone ever start with you?? get a life!

Anonymous wrote:
Wait a second, no one ever said they did not like your posts, your the one who started on usurpers posts and breaking apart what you did not like…how did anyone ever start with you?? get a life!

I already have a fantastic life thanks

I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Would love to if fcell didnt criticize others people thoughts

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

J.N lost wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

Can we just switch to joints? **** bongs.

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

Can we just switch to joints? **** bongs.

O no no no…how bout a hookah! That way, we can all sit around together LoL

MiaMags wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

Can we just switch to joints? **** bongs.

O no no no…how bout a hookah! That way, we can all sit around together LoL

I’d be down for a hooka…. you can put weed in hooka’s, right?

usurper wrote:

MiaMags wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

Can we just switch to joints? **** bongs.

O no no no…how bout a hookah! That way, we can all sit around together LoL

I’d be down for a hooka…. you can put weed in hooka’s, right?

Ooohhh Yaaa!!

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
I already said we dont need to agree on everything, life would be v boring if we did, we need different views so the posters can make their own minds up when they’ve had ideas from different ppl with different oppinions. Can we all chill out now? Who’s turn is it next on the bong?

Mine. Always.

Here you go then . .. . .. make sure you clean it & re pack it before handing it back tho!

Can we just switch to joints? **** bongs.

Yea i was fully considering switching to joints, its getting late now, i think its time to calm down & have a joint instead, green or solid? Ive got both, what do u prefer? I like a bong with solid but i like green in my joints.

Hooka? Whats that? Where r u from?

Um….green?

J.N lost wrote:
Hooka? Whats that? Where r u from?

LoL A hooka is like a bubbler but has like 3 or 4 things you can smoke out of.

I will give you an example

Say you make a bong out of a soda bottle, you put water in the bottom ofit blah blah. Well,to make that soda bottle a hookah, you make 3 or 4 holes on the side of the bottle, spread out, add flexible pipe to each hole to smoke out of and that many peopel smoke together.

not the solid, aka bush

Im from Boston, MA

They are beautiful things - mostly used for smoking flavored tobacco - but in our case - were sticking to weed… cause its better

usurper wrote:
They are beautiful things - mostly used for smoking flavored tobacco - but in our case - were sticking to weed… cause its better

Heck ya, you got that right

Completely off topic

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3526… - Woman Who Missed Doomed Air France Flight Dies In Car Crash

If anyone is interested in it - it seems semi fate related, one could argue

usurper wrote:
Um….green?

Where u from?

T. Dot, Canada!

We call it the T Dot - I’m not quite sure why…

No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

J.N lost wrote:
No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

Ha ha well that’s a fun discovery. You should smoke it - celebrate the small wins.

“Oh look at that, I’ve had a hooka this whole time - I guess I should smoke some weed to celebrate…”

Its certainly seen a lot of weed on its time, about 11 years worth!

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

Ha ha well that’s a fun discovery. You should smoke it - celebrate the small wins.

“Oh look at that, I’ve had a hooka this whole time - I guess I should smoke some weed to celebrate…”

Ive only had the home made 1 about 3 yrs, well the bottle its in i change but the pipe & ash pot ive had quite a while, when i find something that works well i like to keep hold of it.
I get sentimental about my old bongs, i remember the fun we had together! Ah the good days

J.N lost wrote:
Its certainly seen a lot of weed on its time, about 11 years worth!

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

Ha ha well that’s a fun discovery. You should smoke it - celebrate the small wins.

“Oh look at that, I’ve had a hooka this whole time - I guess I should smoke some weed to celebrate…”

Ive only had the home made 1 about 3 yrs, well the bottle its in i change but the pipe & ash pot ive had quite a while, when i find something that works well i like to keep hold of it.
I get sentimental about my old bongs, i remember the fun we had together! Ah the good days

Heheheheeh check this out

http://shorelinehookahlounge.com/imag…

Im kinda lost here now with all this =S

Anonymous wrote:
I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

its not very nice to be sarcastic. have you ever had people talk sarcasticlly to you? sometimes you dont know if they are being nasty or genuine. you shouldnt be sarcastic, it’s not very nice. as much as you may think, it doesnt sound caring to me.

jetmoo wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I told her that I pitied her for what shes become but am sorry for bad things that have happened to her then told her to have a nice day. lmao :) i love that answer i gave her considering its very sarcastic but still caring.

oh and one time months ago another girl told me to kill myself right then and there because she didnt believe i was suicidal, just because she tried to kill herself a few times in the past she pretends like an expert.

its not very nice to be sarcastic. have you ever had people talk sarcasticlly to you? sometimes you dont know if they are being nasty or genuine. you shouldnt be sarcastic, it’s not very nice. as much as you may think, it doesnt sound caring to me.

I specifically said i cared and hope she gets bets better =/

*sigh* great why did this have to become a pop post and then i get beat down? =/

sum wrote:
*sigh* great why did this have to become a pop post and then i get beat down? =/

People just get so focused on what others advice is and criticise them. they need to learn to take them time and just write what they have to say instead of focus on others thoughts.

Someone should post on that, i will with no problem.

It is time to respect what other peoples thoughts are

MiaMags wrote:

sum wrote:
*sigh* great why did this have to become a pop post and then i get beat down? =/

People just get so focused on what others advice is and criticise them. they need to learn to take them time and just write what they have to say instead of focus on others thoughts.

Someone should post on that, i will with no problem.

It is time to respect what other peoples thoughts are

ive been attacked for that before actually. i really cant seem to do anything right =/

sum wrote:

MiaMags wrote:

sum wrote:
*sigh* great why did this have to become a pop post and then i get beat down? =/

People just get so focused on what others advice is and criticise them. they need to learn to take them time and just write what they have to say instead of focus on others thoughts.

Someone should post on that, i will with no problem.

It is time to respect what other peoples thoughts are

ive been attacked for that before actually. i really cant seem to do anything right =/

GEEZE!! Thats awful! How can people be so mean? Its like, you are helping someone on a post and your gunna be mean to someone trying to be nice to help? They must have some family problems or somethng else and take it out on us

I seriously have no room to breath because no one lets me do anything =(

sum wrote:
I seriously have no room to breath because no one lets me do anything =(

im going to make a post. watch how many people argue in it and prove my point without them even knowing

sum wrote:
She claimed i was an attention seeker but she seeks more attention than me and no, she is very very selfish clearly. I never said anything about killing myself to her before, i was asking her if I should and asked whats wrong with me and she said yes and claimed im an attention seeker and shes sick of attention seekers and called me emo(highly hypocritically if you know what she acts like and listens to and dressed like), she also made false claims that i think my problems are so bad, but i just think i deserve as much attention and care as anyone else, in fact i constantly tried to help her when she was down yet still shes so selfish she told me to kill myself. I hate this ******* world and everyone in it now because of how ******* selfish everyone is.

the whole world isn’t selfish. it may seem like that from where you are standing, but you need to stand back and see the bigger picture. there are alot of nice people, you probablly just dont notice them. I think you and the other person should just stop talking about killing yourselves. there is alot of good in this world. this is alot of bad too. but the good in it makes life worth living. you just need to see it.

can i just say as well, that different people deal with problems differently. if two people have the same problem, they will not deal with it the same. some may become really upset, some will be more hardy and not feel it in the same way. you cannot say that one event is worse than the other.

“Attention seekers lie and exaggerate” Attention seekers are everyone. everyone needs attention. as soon as we are born, we need attention. We’d all be very lost without it. people who you call attention seekers are seeking it because it’s what they need. some seek it because they feel really bad about what has happened to them and need help. they do need help and for someone to help them feel better.
(and it is how they feel what matters, not what everyone else thinks they should feel. everyone is different)

I think that if you and this other person cannot get on, you should just not talk to each other at all. you need to chop a big hole between you and not see each other. If you can help someone then try, but if you can’t help someone, don’t be mean just walk away. and if someone can’t help you and is making things worse, the obvious thing to do is walk away. It doesnt make you feel any better, does it? so just leave it and forget about it.It’s not worth worrying about

then i think that you should look at your own life seperatly.think of the things which make you unhappy and find a way to deal with them.try to think positive about what you do have and the good things in life. there are good things and if you cannot see any then you are just plain stubborn in my eyes. you can do anything if you try hard enough, you can find goodness if you try hard enough-i know sometimes its hard, but its there. sometimes you can only achieve something if you truely want it so if you cant gain what you want, then you arent trying hard enough and dont truly want it

Well i get accused of arguing too =/

sooooo i dont get what that would show

it seems you find everything really irritating and stressful.relax take a deep breath and relax. try and forget everything. and start a new. try not to argue or lose your temper. be open minded. dont criticise others for how they feel and what they do. just start a fresh. ignore anyone that is mean. and dont be mean either. and try to think positive instead of looking at all of the negitives.

write down all the good things that have happened to you and all the people that care about you. and that you care about. forget about this person that is causing you grief. she may be trying to help, or she may not. but either way it is bothering you. forget it. dont let it bother you. just think of all the people that are worse off. people that have no where you live, i bet you have a home. feel lucky for it. some children will have diseases and will only have a short time to live and would do anything to live longer and not have to die. think yourself lucky, you are alive. and a life is special, hold on to it. you may have had bad things happen to you, but you have to continue and try to make things better for yourself. try not to let things bother you. are these your only problems? (of how people treat and see you?)

TOO LONG SO I BROKE IT UP INTO PIECES

jetmoo wrote:
the whole world isn’t selfish. it may seem like that from where you are standing, but you need to stand back and see the bigger picture. there are alot of nice people, you probablly just dont notice them. I think you and the other person should just stop talking about killing yourselves. there is alot of good in this world. this is alot of bad too. but the good in it makes life worth living. you just need to see it.

I know there are but I constantly find someone change the way they act and turn it into a bad way.

well for one thing. This got a bit mixed up, the original post was one person and in a later reply i used another as an example. The times she did try and commit suicide was years ago and she rarely mentions that she would do it now, shes not who i have a problem with that much.

jetmoo wrote:
can i just say as well, that different people deal with problems differently. if two people have the same problem, they will not deal with it the same. some may become really upset, some will be more hardy and not feel it in the same way. you cannot say that one event is worse than the other.

Thats what I was saying before, they act as if theirs nothing wrong with me and they are the only ones deserving in thier own eyes. =/

jetmoo wrote:
“Attention seekers lie and exaggerate” Attention seekers are everyone. everyone needs attention. as soon as we are born, we need attention. We’d all be very lost without it. people who you call attention seekers are seeking it because it’s what they need. some seek it because they feel really bad about what has happened to them and need help. they do need help and for someone to help them feel better.
(and it is how they feel what matters, not what everyone else thinks they should feel. everyone is different)

Well I was more so talking about this guy who seems to have a severe mental problem and lies constantly and purposly hurts people to get attention to the pint people shake at hearing his name out of trauma he caused them.

I dont think it should be called “attention seeker” then because it just sounds bad. I know people are suposed to get attention but if they dont get it they supposably get called attention seekers because they arent getting what they need and practially have to ask for what people take for granted.

jetmoo wrote:
I think that if you and this other person cannot get on, you should just not talk to each other at all. you need to chop a big hole between you and not see each other. If you can help someone then try, but if you can’t help someone, don’t be mean just walk away. and if someone can’t help you and is making things worse, the obvious thing to do is walk away. It doesnt make you feel any better, does it? so just leave it and forget about it.It’s not worth worrying about

I rarely talked to her and she suddently started hating me. The times I did talk to her I was always nice and it was fun talking to her. But then she goes and says she doesnt like me then says she hates me. I didnt do anything really at all. =/

The part i worry about is her talking **** about me and it will ruin my life more. people have such a wrong image of me because they constantly listen to people who never even talked to me really and make stuff up. =(

jetmoo wrote:
then i think that you should look at your own life seperatly.think of the things which make you unhappy and find a way to deal with them.try to think positive about what you do have and the good things in life. there are good things and if you cannot see any then you are just plain stubborn in my eyes. you can do anything if you try hard enough, you can find goodness if you try hard enough-i know sometimes its hard, but its there. sometimes you can only achieve something if you truely want it so if you cant gain what you want, then you arent trying hard enough and dont truly want it

I have a long list of things that make me feel bad. I would rather solve than deal though. I dont see a point in dealing if it means just losing what you want. The problem is those people that get to me, i dont want to have to hate everyone and have to hide from everyone just so no one would hurt me. I am lacking in a lot of things that people dont always notice they have, i dont have a lot of things that are good, i have them but it just feels as if it isnt enough to feel good about in a long term. I am trying a lot to do something, which is to be with this girl i love and its really complicaed and i made a thread about it some time ago. Its hard to do things when you dont know how to do it.

jetmoo wrote:
it seems you find everything really irritating and stressful.relax take a deep breath and relax. try and forget everything. and start a new. try not to argue or lose your temper. be open minded. dont criticise others for how they feel and what they do. just start a fresh. ignore anyone that is mean. and dont be mean either. and try to think positive instead of looking at all of the negitives.

I have a very long temper actually and its short lived if i gets out. Im always open minded but i get accused of not. I never criticize, its what theey do to me and i get hurt and i cant just sit there like nothing =/

jetmoo wrote:
write down all the good things that have happened to you and all the people that care about you. and that you care about. forget about this person that is causing you grief. she may be trying to help, or she may not. but either way it is bothering you. forget it. dont let it bother you. just think of all the people that are worse off. people that have no where you live, i bet you have a home. feel lucky for it. some children will have diseases and will only have a short time to live and would do anything to live longer and not have to die. think yourself lucky, you are alive. and a life is special, hold on to it. you may have had bad things happen to you, but you have to continue and try to make things better for yourself. try not to let things bother you. are these your only problems? (of how people treat and see you?)

it honestly would be a short list for good things, maybe a long list for people i care about because i care about people in general. The bad list isnt too long but the good list is way too short.

I hate when people say that. That means no ones deserving at all because theirs always someone worse off. Its stupid to be judged based on problems rather than a human. I need love as much as anyone else does. I care about them but im not aloud to care about my own life no mater how much i care for others because im somehow not deserving in the fact im “not as bad”? With that kind of attitude no one will ever get help considering everyone would be overlooked =/

I just need some good to make up for the bad so i can forget it or else i will be left empty feeling.

I got a long list of stupid problems but i guess that associate with a lot of them.

I would tell u but it’s a secret.

Okeee, I laboriously read that whole post, because Sum is a good friend of mine :) and, well it’s a very complicated post. There are so many different ideas brought up here…yet most of them stay on topic with suicide.

Firstly I want to say that I understand how you feel Sum, or I think so. Many people are selfish, and seemingly the older you get, the more selfishness you’ll find. Though people are often more secretive of their selfishness in maturation; selfishness is immoral. But there are people who aren’t selfish.

And if you want one more reason to live, it’s that you and me, we are less selfish. We care, we’re sensitive to every little detail. And if you can handle the stress of common day life, it’s not a weakness. In fact, by the way things are going in the world, the greedy may just send this world to ruin. You and I have a responsibility to breed caring and selfless people…That is if our selflessness is genetic rather than pathological. In which case, it’s our responsibility to build and maintain a caring society.

My only advice for you right now is that you could be more clear in what you say. I can truly see that your an intelligent person, but you aren’t always intelligible. All you need do is re-read your posts to see it. So my advice would be to make a concerted effort to make yourself clear and people will want to be around you. That includes blogs; make yourself appear classy and people will feel that way. You obviously have many things to say, and really I want to hear them!

Jetmoo you touched upon something that I felt needed to be brought up again. Someone said that they see no difference between attention seekers and care seekers, but that couldn’t be farther from the truth.

At war time, you will have attention for the man your trying to kill, but you will not care for him….hopefully. Thus, attention and care have different meanings, and cannot be the same.

An attention seeker will feel excitement when in the focus of attention. This can be caused by a multitude of reasons, from attention deficit to a chemical addiction in the brain (which may be it’s own disorder).

Care seekers are in need of something, but that something is not defined. A wounded soldier could be a care seeker, as well as a person who wants to commit suicide, but knows it’s wrong. Anyone who wants care is clearly a care seeker….unless they aren’t doing anything to get that care, in which case they’re a care wanter. :P

I also wanted to bring up how everyone wants attention, however little that desire is. It can be seen in many of the things that we say…But you brought that up already :P

MiaMags wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
Its certainly seen a lot of weed on its time, about 11 years worth!

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

Ha ha well that’s a fun discovery. You should smoke it - celebrate the small wins.

“Oh look at that, I’ve had a hooka this whole time - I guess I should smoke some weed to celebrate…”

Ive only had the home made 1 about 3 yrs, well the bottle its in i change but the pipe & ash pot ive had quite a while, when i find something that works well i like to keep hold of it.
I get sentimental about my old bongs, i remember the fun we had together! Ah the good days

Heheheheeh check this out

http://shorelinehookahlounge.com/imag…

Thanks for the link, mine isnt quite as good as that but it is old, maybe when ive fin with it it’ll be an antique.

J.N lost wrote:

MiaMags wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
Its certainly seen a lot of weed on its time, about 11 years worth!

usurper wrote:

J.N lost wrote:
No way, i just googled hookah, i have 1 ! A mate brought it back from holiday for me yrs ago, i use it as a bong, obviously, but i never knew what its proper name or purpose was.
I do like it but i very much like my home made bong, made using my engineering degree.

Ha ha well that’s a fun discovery. You should smoke it - celebrate the small wins.

“Oh look at that, I’ve had a hooka this whole time - I guess I should smoke some weed to celebrate…”

Ive only had the home made 1 about 3 yrs, well the bottle its in i change but the pipe & ash pot ive had quite a while, when i find something that works well i like to keep hold of it.
I get sentimental about my old bongs, i remember the fun we had together! Ah the good days

Heheheheeh check this out

http://shorelinehookahlounge.com/imag…

Thanks for the link, mine isnt quite as good as that but it is old, maybe when ive fin with it it’ll be an antique.

LoL hahaha go to a smoke shop, they have glass and funky colors and shapes. So coool

See i really like my home made one, ive tried loads of shop bought ones & non seem quite as good, its also very convenient for taking out coz just take pipe & ash pot & its small enough to fit in a pocket then just get a new bottle when you get where your going. Comvenient, usefull & oh so satisfying!

why are people having full on conversations on this person’s post? why dont you use the shout boxes? this is someone’s post that needs help. I doubt your convos help at all.

I’ve had a look at your replies to my comments and tried to write about each part you have wrote to try and help.But as quantum spirit said, it is quite complicated, so I hope you can understand what I am trying to say.

Ignore these bad people, or if they are nasty, why you don’t ask if they’re ok? And if they snap on you for asking, then you could just walk away.
Perhaps they feel like they are worse off than you and you should feel lucky for what you have got. Do you think they may be jealous? I’m not sure, but everyone needs attention; ignore the people that say they are more deserving than you. You could try to help them, but if you have already tried and it didn’t work and made things worse for yourself then leave it. I think it is fine for people to express their own opinion, but sometimes it is best to keep them to yourself to avoid trouble.
The person with a bad mental health problem, why do people talk to him to him if he causes trouble? I don’t know what his problem is, perhaps he can’t help the way he is. It depends on whether he knows what he is doing or saying is wrong.
You could ask the girl what is wrong and tell her is there’s anything you’ve done to upset her then you are sorry. (She may have interpreted things you have said differently to the way you meant them to sound. Trust me, girls often misinterpret what guys say and do. It’s happened to me before plenty of times, because girls and boys think in very different ways) however if you have cleared any problems up between you both, and she still spreads rumours, then move on. There’s nothing more to do. By this point you will have done all you can.
And ignore the people that fall for the false rumours. They are stupid enough to believe what is not true. That is not your problem, but theirs. Sometimes when people are saying bad stuff to you about them, and if you rebel against them with anger or being upset in any way, it can entice them to continue. Sometimes it can help just to shrug it off and just agree with them. It shows you’re not bothered and they should gain less fun from it. You have to be very patient though. And if you have alot patience then you could try to ignore them aswell. Of course I know ignoring those who irritate you the most, is extremely difficult; however I found that it can be really effective.
When I said that you could think of the people that are worse off, I didn’t mean that you are undeserving of care and love. Everyone needs to feel cared for. But when you look at people that don’t have much, it can sometimes remind you of what you do have. It can help you to see the positive things in your own life that you may not take alot notice of. Alot of us take things for granted, but you never know what you have got until it is gone. By this I do not mean that you take things for granted yourself, but it can help you see what you can begin to feel lucky for. Does that make sense? When you’re down, thinking about what you do have can sometimes rise you up and make you feel better. And of course you are allowed to care about your own life.

sorry if anything I’ve said is offensive, but I hope some of what I have said can help you.

The poster isnt on the post anymore

The poster hasn’t left. He’s just not here right now.

Whoever told you to commit suicide clearly doesn’t understand what life is about, and has dramatically less credibility in terms of advice. I think it would be wise to avoid that person, unless she’s hot and secretly fancy’s you…But I doubt that.

@SayItsSo: suuuuuuuure you do lol
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@Quantum_Spirit: I dont necessarily think being selfish is something that last in everyone, people can change.

lol “breed” im not an omeba so i cant do that alone and I only want to be with one girl who doesnt love me at the moment because she wont give me a chance. ……. or are you indirectly hitting on me? lmao

Well my thoughts are very scattered so I write things out in a strange way often. Not totally into blogs because its a voice in a sea of other voices, I just tell people what I think as I speak to them or else i wouldnt have much to talk about anymore.

You kind of confused me on the attention seeker and care seeker part, but it makes enough sense.

she is hot and she used to flirt with me a little sometimes almost but im not interested in her especially now.
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@jetmoo: Well I just try and give people a chance to be nice because sometiems they can be really cruel just because they are hiding emotions, so thats why I ask anyone. I do often have people get jealous of me because they cant understand that my life is bad but just not the same kind of bad they might have.

I havent spoken to that guy in a long time and at the time I had no clue he was doing things behind my back and everyones back manipulating them. I still would like him to get help so he doesnt hurt himself or others though.

Im often carful of the things I say and I always say sorry to people and try and explain myself.

well those made up things is one thing that helped chase away the girl i love =(

yeah that makes sense but to be honest I would give those other people the things I have if I could because not everything I have is anything I want or need.

okay thanks everyone

Well first of all, I wasn’t insinuating that you and I should breed; I am male, and so are you right? I could see how that might be interpreted, I apologize. It does sound a little ridiculous from that standpoint. So I wasn’t intending to flirt with you.

And second, I feel similarly towards “people”. They are so selfish and pre-occupied with their own lives, they forget to notice so many important details of this world. Perhaps I shouldn’t feel this way, for we all have own stories to tell, and details to share; all of them should be respected.

But I am so often frustrated with stubbornness, ignorance, and hostility. Rarely, if ever, are these difficulties neccessary. On top of that, I’m a really nice person; I just want to help people. Yet constantly I find myself getting proverbially spat in the face, even by those I care about, to no justified end, no less! Meaning there isn’t even a gain aside from a feeling of dominance for the alternate party. It sickens me, but I persevere, because I feel that my message is that of truth, not of insignificance.

Listen to this song Sum. You may find some solace in it’s sympathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-sBE…

lol its fine, i just like to turn things people say into a joke. Im good at it. Yes I am a guy.

Yeah

yeah thats nice for you and that sucks with them. Ive been insulted by the girl i love even which hurt =/

Not bad a song …. its hard to hear the lyrics because i got a lot of noise going on here right now lol

Only not bad?! It’s bush man, bush!! They rule, remember?!

Quantum_Spirit wrote:
Only not bad?! It’s bush man, bush!! They rule, remember?!

lol I couldnt hear before and im very picky on what I like a lot even though I like a lot of different stuff a lot fo the time XD

Okay, listen to this song, the whooole thing. And find some way of doing it where you can hear. Then tell me bush doesn’t rule!!

youtube:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9T55V-FY6A&feature=PlayList&p=022F 74F40B320254&index=0&playnext=1]

Did I do that wrong??

youtube[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9T55V-FY6A&feature=PlayList&p=022F7 4F40B320254&index=0&playnext=1]

Sh*ty, I forget how, someone refresh my memory please.

And until then here’s a link instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9T55V…

Oh I remember, I almost had it right the first time.

Original on YouTube.com

Here’s another great one.

Original on YouTube.com

lol I didnt say they sucked…. just not in my particular taste for me to love them

I’m not asking you to love them. Just appreciate their works. Anyway, it was all in the spirit of you enjoying them. If you can’t wisdom in it or relate to the music then it doesn’t matter.

lol your worrying too much :p

I don’t worry. Whatever will be will be.

Bit hypocritical of you to complain about others having their own convosation on this post then you do it.

Didnt mean Quantum or sum.