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THE INTERNET

I have this awesome new idea I want to bounce off of you guys.

Ok, first off, I have lived in the city for a very short time during childhood, but I have gone back numerous times and the biggest things I notice are graffiti and gangs.
People who have seen graffiti can tell you that some of it is actually a very beautiful form of art used in the wrong places and with sometimes bad intentions.
Most of it is done by kids who are lost in the world and have slipped into a bad path filled with gangs, violence and drugs. These kids where not always like this, but times change and some can’t catch on properly to the change. Most of them are poor and cannot provide for themselves. Gangs help them feel a belonging in the world. They use graffiti art to display their feelings and thoughts to the world. They write on private property for attention and understanding.
I think it should not be like this.
I think that graffiti should be looked at as a profitable form of art.
What would you think of a group designed to help these kids use their talent at graffiti art to better themselves and the world? A place to go, lined with brick walls erected with the hopes of art being created on them? A place where a kid who is down on his luck can get food, clothing, medications and school supplies and a place where people can unite and feel like a family without using guns or violence amongst one another.
So many kids are lost in this world; I think that a non profit group designed like this would really benefit the young children of the cities and the world.
Do you think that this idea is a possible and productive idea that could work in real life? Do you think people would donate so brick walls can be created and so necessary goods can be provided to kids who cannot afford to get them on their own?
Would people buy the art work? Should it be sold? Would it get the artist enough to eventually make a living or get a “real” job?

I have not copyrighted any of this, so if you really like the idea and have the money to start it, I would love no better thing than for you to start it, and if you are willing to let me, I would love to be a part of it’s creation in more ways that that of a simple donator, cause god knows I don’t have money being a jobless 17 year old with a family that is a bit in debt already. I would love to help plan it all and design it.
I don’t need to be the real maker of this one, even though I though of it here before you created it. I would just really like to see these kids get help out of the streets and into a school or a job.
Tell me what you all think.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (2 minutes after post)

they do not need to sell what they create, but i would like them to have the chance to.
how, though, would art on brick walls be sold?
would it just be a high quality picture? the actual brick wall? would we have to make special bricks so that they are not so heavy or thick, but still strong enough to last?
would this part even be possible?

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US | 5 months, 1 week ago (3 minutes after post)

that is a noble cause sitnalta, but the large problem with that is that, in the graffiti world you are basically shunned if you “sell out” as in if you make any money from your work. That’s a big factor in why it doesn’t seem to become a viable source of income for the artists, they are tied closely to the other people in their group that they refuse to be considered a “sell out”

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US | 5 months, 1 week ago (5 minutes after post)

it’s definitely possible, but it doesn’t have to be on brick though

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 5 months, 1 week ago (5 minutes after post)

This has already been done, also man you really need to learn to use capitals, or else lose the periods.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (6 minutes after post)

jlawthelarso wrote:
that is a noble cause sitnalta, but the large problem with that is that, in the graffiti world you are basically shunned if you “sell out” as in if you make any money from your work. That’s a big factor in why it doesn’t seem to become a viable source of income for the artists, they are tied closely to the other people in their group that they refuse to be considered a “sell out”

i wouldnt make money, the person who created it would.
i do not want to, nor will not make any profit from any of this.
do they really put emphasis on not selling their art in gangs?
they dont have to sell it, i would just provide the opportunity to sell it at no cost to the artist
or at least get them some publicity in papers and such

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An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (10 minutes after post)

- Fourthings™ - wrote:
This has already been done, also man you really need to learn to use capitals, or else lose the periods.

has it really?! did it work?! do you have like a site about it or something?
I really want to know how this turned out if it was actually done
also sorry about the capital letters. My right shift key is no loner functioning and i forget and i click it anyways as i type, you would think i would learn to use my left shift key by now but it is annoying.
I am broke right now, but I swear to you my first 30 bucks or so is going down for a new keyboard

THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (13 minutes after post)

jlawthelarso wrote:
it’s definitely possible, but it doesn’t have to be on brick though

you are right actually.
why does it have to be brick?
hmm. Would canvas actually hold spray paint good? would it look as nice as it does on cement? you know, the bumpiness to it and the way different bricks make different levels of blur and smoothness.
Brick also gives it a level of mood and feeling to it. an emotion

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i have this awesome new idea i want to bounce off of you guys.
ok, first off, i have lived in the city for a very short time during childhood, but i have gone back numerous times and the biggest things i notice are graffiti and gangs.
people who have seen graffiti can tell you that some of it is actually a very beautiful form of art used in the wrong places and with sometimes bad intentions.
most of it is done by kids who are lost in the world and have slipped into a bad path filled with gangs, violence and drugs. these kids where not always like this, but times change and some cant catch on properly to the change. most of them are poor and cannot provide, gangs help them feel a belonging in the world. they use graffiti art to display their feelings and thoughts to the world. they write on private property for attention and understanding.
I think it should not be like this.
i think that graffiti should be looked at as a profitable form of art.
what would you think of a group designed to help these kids use their talent at graffiti art to better themselves and the world? A place to go, lined with brick walls erected with the hopes of art being created on them? A place where a kid who is down on his luck can get food, clothing, medications and school supplies. A place where people can unite and feel like a family without using guns or violence amongst one another.
so many kids are lost in this world, i think that a non profit group designed like this would really benefit the young children of the cities and the world.
do you think that this idea is a possible and productive idea that could work in real life? do you think people would donate so brick walls can be created and so necessary goods can be provided to kids who cannot afford to get them on their own?
would people buy the art work? should it be sold? would it get the artist enough to eventually make a living or get a “real” job?

i have not copyrighted any of this, so if you really like the idea and have the money to start it, i would love no better thing than for you to start it, and if you are willing to let me, i would love to be a part of it’s creation in more ways that that of a simple donater, cause god knows i don’t have money being a jobless 17 year old with a family that is a bit in debt already. i would love to help plan it all and design it.
i dont need to be the real maker of this one, even though i though of it here before you created it. I would just really like to see these kids get help out of the streets and into a school or a job.
tell me what you all think.

THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (22 minutes after post)

I fixed it up with Microsoft word. still doesn’t fix my daily typing problems

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 5 months, 1 week ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

Ohh ok, strange I always naturally use the left shift key. Are you left handed?

Yeah usually when they build outdoor skateparks for kids they throw in some graff walls to tag, and sometimes they just build walls for tagging on their own.

Problem is, the nature of tagging, is all about location, the harder and more obscure the location the better the tag is, so subway trains or the side of a bridge or anywhere hard to access is considered very good, allot of the time it’s more important then the quality of the art.

Also once a good piece has been done on these purpose built walls people are usually reluctant to spray over em, and also most concrete skateparks are sprayed all over anyway, in the bowls and the funboxes, ramps, ground etc.

What’s good about these places is it keeps all the kids together in a place that can be kept safe and drugfree.

Best Graff I’ve ever seen was the skatepark in Seville Spain, but also the best place to go to buy drugs in Seville and it’s kinda dangerous. If you tried to enforce some kinda security the skaters would go back to the streets, as would any taggers.

Fyi some taggers consider spraying these purpose built walls to be dumb, and some skaters think skating skateparks is dumb too (I was one of these skaters), it’s a street culture that’s all about making use of the streets in an artistic and expressive way, not purpose built pens.

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 5 months, 1 week ago (1 hour, 24 minutes after post)

Emphasis on the CAN be kept safe and drugfree, that all boils down to the community that hangs out there, the only people they’ll respect are their own, skateparks I hung out in were not entirely drugfree but they were good people who looked after each other and didn’t litter and kept violence to a minimum, the older guys were a supportive and positive role model for the youth.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (1 hour, 39 minutes after post)

hmm. perhaps this isnt all necessary.
but i do want to do something about the art of graffiti. it is thrown around far too negatively for what it is :( and i want the way things work in the city to clean up a bit. gang violence has been on a rise.
yes i am left handed.
i don’t want graffiti to be all about the aspect of tagging, more about the fact that it can create some really great work.
i saw a kid in school who was drawing his name in the style of graffiti, but with pencil. it was amazing, kids stopped paying attention to the teacher and started watching him draw it.
the teacher got mad and ripped it up, calling him a “gangster kid wannabe”. a week later the kid dropped out of school and joined a gang.
he died in may an unknown child in the streets of chicago, to gang violence. no body wrote about his life in the paper, no body set up any memorial, they just cleaned him up, told his mom and had him buried.
his mom didnt even care that he was dead, and didnt have any services for him.
i pass by some graffiti in chicago when I go out there, one of them had his distinct signature next to the words “I do belong” in the style.
I never really ever talked to him, but he has had more impact on me than most people do

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An Unknown Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (1 hour, 59 minutes after post)

Setto is our resident graffiti specialist:) He may have some answers for you:)

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 5 months, 1 week ago (2 hours, 15 minutes after post)

Setto has gotten in trouble with the law because of his tagging, being charged with many counts of criminal damage - he’s only 18 :/ He had his account removed from here incase anything incriminating was said as the police confiscated all his stuff, phones computer etc.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (10 hours, 8 minutes after post)

oh so he’s actually gone?
Dang
I remember seeing him around, he was a pretty cool guy.
know anyone else who knows how it all “works” in the art of tagging?

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An Undisclosed Location | 5 months, 1 week ago (14 hours, 5 minutes after post)

my friends cousin actually runs a shop in northern california where he makes custom graffiti styled clothes, posters, or whatever else you bring him to paint. He makes a pretty hefty income.

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An Undisclosed Location | 5 months ago (2 days, 11 hours after post)

- Fourthings™ - wrote:
This has already been done, also man you really need to learn to use capitals, or else lose the periods.

Everyone knows how to use capitals, and tell us who did this idea already!!

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4 months, 1 week ago (3 weeks, 3 days after post)

i agree

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An Unknown Location | 4 months, 1 week ago (4 weeks after post)

umm yeap You can try it… Perhaps if you can look for a lighter material which gives the whole brick/wall feeling but is easy to transport.
Or… if you have a celeb friend - give one of them to this person for free - make a big deal about it… and perhaps others will follow.
Yeah
I hope you get a chance to do something good for the lost youth of this planet.
Good luck,
Much Love.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (1 month after post)

You need a much better understanding of grafitti before you try to preach about it.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (1 month after post)

galstar wrote:
You need a much better understanding of grafitti before you try to preach about it.

1.) I wasn’t preaching about it
2.) if you know so **** much about it then enlighten me.

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An Unknown Location | 3 months, 4 weeks ago (1 month, 1 week after post)

I’ve had this thought in my mind since I moved to Nevada, and then thought about it even more when I moved to New York City. Honestly, I’ve never disliked graffiti. Some of it is ugly and offensive, but there are so pieces of art on buildings that I see, and I always hope “maybe the owner will leave it because it’s so nice”, though that never happens.

We have skateparks and stuff to keep skateboarders off of our sidewalks and fancy store parking lots, so why not build a nice place for talented artists to show off their work?

I agree whole-heartedly, it’s a wonderful idea, and it could very easily have a positive outcome. Unfortunately, I doubt any person who would have the authority to make this a reality would agree.

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An Unknown Location | 3 months, 2 weeks ago (1 month, 3 weeks after post)

To tell you the truth……… I think I like cheese the best. ;)

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An Unknown Location | 3 months, 1 week ago (1 month, 3 weeks after post)

Www.banksy.co.uk

He is my favorite graffiti artist. He has a political agenda though.

If you like, let me know as I have some other really cool pics of street art.

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THE INTERNET 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 3 months, 1 week ago (1 month, 3 weeks after post)

hm, well okay, i suppose, lemme see some.
its pretty nice looking, the style of it. im no street kid but it has its style

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An Unknown Location | 3 months, 1 week ago (2 months after post)

This already happens…….

You have not been to the Tate Modern anytime recently? Not heard of Banksy, International Undercover Graffiti Artist? He has loads of exhibitions as well as still doing street work.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 3 weeks ago (2 months, 1 week after post)

it is an admireable thought.
but graffiti is more complex than this.

first of all, maybe it is different wherever it is that you are, maybe it is really a culture of poverty, gangs, drugs and broken homes, that all the kids want is a loving home and some food.
but where i live many graffiti artists are the middle-class, kid or adult next door. especially among those who are committed to the artistic aspect.

secondly, graffiti is more than a cry for attention. it is art, it is a way to communicate, it is a culture of its own with strong hierarchy, rules and bonds, it is a channel for speaking your mind and it is a view on property and society.
many artists feel that the city belongs to all of us, and we should all express ourselves on the streets. graffiti is a way of political activism.

that is why it is hard to paint graffiti on canvas and sell it - it loses the whole point!

but, not everybody sees it this way, of course. some just want to express themselves without the politics.
and your idea with a warm, welcoming environment and something practical to do is great. as for materials - build a wall, let them paint, take a photography. maybe you can invite the neighborhood once a week to meet the artists and see their development, participate, drink some lemonade. and then let the next person paint over it and start over.

but do not talk about rescuing the poor lost kids to your big happy family, because trust me - those who would really need it would just laugh in your face and call you a naive idiot.

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An Unknown Location | 1 month, 4 weeks ago (3 months, 1 week after post)

i think something like this was already done, then someone wrote something about paying taxes and only getting a lousy wall or something. and honestly, no, i don’t think people would pay for that. blame the people who don’t like graffiti. the millions of them.

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An Unknown Location | 2 weeks, 4 days ago (4 months, 2 weeks after post)

Check out the Graffiti Research Lab:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti…

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