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A friend owes me money ($750) for rent owed because she needed a place to stay because hers flooded and landlord wouldn’t fix it and so I let her stay at my place until she found a new place (4 months ago). I went to stay with my gf to let the friend be comfortable , but agreed that they pay full rent but are free to bring in her items (she said that some of the items are too big to fit through the apartment door and she didn’t need some others and so she rented a storage place by her full will), have keys to the place , the parking spot, and not pay for TV,internet, and TV. I have witness , written agreement , receipts of rent paid, summary of total amounts, and written correspondents from me to her with signature of witness. She has not been paying the rent owed , but pays partial at times after trying to get hold of them many times. I have spoke to her in person , phone , text , email , facebook (have record and witnesses of everything). I made sure the friend received all the records needed and have acknowledgment from her about it.

I am renting the place and I spoke to the landlord before that and he was ok with it as long as he still receives the rent on time , in which I made sure of that on my end and have a record of that as well. According to section 5 of Tenant Law of Ontario the sublet is responsible as well as the tenant for obligations of rental contract and any contract between tenant and sublet. The friend only gives me partials at random times in which I record. She has not been actively looking for a place to stay since it’s been 4 months. She works as a supervisor at a call centre and makes decent money and does not have much to pay for (from my knowledge of her , known her for 4 years now) and beside I wasn’t given any reasons of why the rent is not being paid. All I hear is personal drama , how sick she is, family activities, and so on. Every time I try to settle things oh someone died , niece is sick , I am sick , and so on. She enjoys a full social life however hanging out with friends at the bar , going to different functions, and so on. Nothing indicating that she’s sick or that there is a financial problem going on.

Since middle of May, she only managed to get $100 few days back morning but didn’t say when I’ll get the rest. She told me to go to the place in the next afternoon and the money will be there in an envelope (have this in a text). When I asked her about the rest , she had no answer. I went to my place to get that money and the envelope had calculations written in it as if the person was thinking of how much I should get. There was a paper next to it neatly folded that DOES attract attention to it. I opened the paper and it was the last rent summary I gave her with calculations of what I should get and written in it “according to tenant law , not responsible for storage fees (of her items) and said -$400 (pays $100/month for it). I wrote to her in a text that I received her message loud and clear and that she’ll have some reading materials to look at. This was 29th of May.

I printed for her the entire Residential Tenancies Act of 2006 and highlighted the important parts about subletting including sections that said she’s responsible for full rent and their own outside expenses as well like storage. I gave her an ultimatum of 3 weeks (May 29 - June 19) to get rest of money or to leave (written and signed by witness). I am so fed up with not being communicated with so I know what’s going on , and feel that I am getting hustled by her so that she enjoys a free place in which I can’t afford to do that. She asked me to meet her at my place and I brought my gf with me. The friend said she’ll get the rest because she doesn’t need the “stress” and will pawn some items. The 3 weeks are ending today and she messaged me just few hours back saying she has $100 and begs me to stay until end of month ; I asked her only if she tells me when I’ll get the rest and she didn’t say anything.

At this point I am extremely disappointed in them because I Feel that I am getting played and disrespected by someone who’s supposed to be a “friend”. I don’t know what to do at this point or how I should proceed. I didn’t think this is what I’ll get for helping a friend out who was in need. Sorry it’s long and I’ll explain anything that needs to be explained and don’t mind the advise as long as it’s not negative criticism without a solution. If a person can disrespect me like this , they can’t really be a friend (even though I kept referring to her as friend while writing). I ended up going to the hospital because of extreme stress that I was vomiting non stop with blood to the point I fainted. This is too much.

Thanks for letting me vent and hope I didn’t bore all of you with this.

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (1 hour, 21 minutes after post)

im sorry but i got boared of reading once you started talking about tennant law, but if i was you i would take her to court but make sure that you let her know that it is pureley to get the money back and that you would like to remain freinds or else things could turn nasty, otherwise you are in effect paying for a second home and she is ineffect stealing from you?

hope this helps?

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (1 hour, 22 minutes after post)

Have you spoken to her and explained how ill this is making you?

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (1 hour, 38 minutes after post)

Samsungfirsbusines,

Sorry if I have bored you , but I was showing evident of things I mentioned with accordance to law. I gave her until the end of today …. problem is court takes so much time , but then I don’t want to wait for her until she pays me back. I think court might be an option.

Victoria,

I have spoken with her more than 11 times via different means (text,phone,in person,facebook) and have records and witnesses of all that. I told her how sick I became because of this situation and she said that she feels really bad and ashamed of how she can’t pay …but she’s not saying why or what’s going on. Just personal drama and so on. I just don’t want to ruin things but I don’t want her to be around if she can’t pay like agreed screwing me around like this.

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (1 hour, 46 minutes after post)

well court does take a long time like you say but then if you mention it she might suddenly find the money that she is so reluctant to give you as she wont want the court to be involved - for obvious reasons and when i siad i got board of reading its law which i often disagree with and ive been reading poss for most of the day so far i didnt mean it personally to you - so really im the one who should be sorry.

and has your freind not found a place yet? coz if she has then i cant see why she is still using your place and i also cant under stand why she isnt paying you if she hasnt got a place coz shed have the money… like you said theres something not right, and what did she say when you said she had untill the end of the day?

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (1 hour, 49 minutes after post)

What a hidious nightmare, you have to decide whats more important your friendship with this person or your flat,
You could go round and sit on the doorstep till she shows up and then ask her what kind of trouble she is in that would make her treat a friend so badly and tell her she has to help you to help her as you have been doing your best to help her out

Or you could go in big guns and seek some legal help on how to get her out or paid

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (1 hour, 51 minutes after post)

ps i know im taking liberties but could i get your opinion on my first post (its about some person - it starts with “hi thanks for your time”

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 hours, 26 minutes after post)

samsung,

I totally know what you mean when you say its the laws and reading too many posts. It’s ok. I was told the same exact thing however about mentioning court and that might help. Funny you said that. She didn’t find a place but has looked for one (not that actively though). I gave her receipts of what she paid so that she can show to the potential landlord (only put in what she paid , nothing else). She said the landlord wanted her to sign one year contract and she’s in the process of getting a settlement for a car accident almost 2 years ago in which the process is going very slowly (according to her). So she doesn’t want to sign a one year contract because she might be able to buy a house once the settlement is in. She has not been looking for anything else so far.

It’s really fishy and strange and that’s why I am fed up with the stories because I like to be straight forward with my friends specially and I expected the same. When I mentioned about deadline , at first she said she’ll try to pawn items to get the rest of the money. Then she messaged me yesterday night saying she only has a $100 but beging me to stay until the 1st of July. I told her that I’ll only extend if she tells me when I’ll get the rest of the money. No response since then. I told her also that I am seeking legal advise. She’s really worried and scared that I know for sure ; but paying me …I dunno when will that happen.

I’ll be more than happy to answer your post.
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Victoria,

It is indeed a nightmare that I want to be done with. A friend that can disrespect me , take advantage of my help to them, and plays a full set of mind games is no friend and I am sure you agree with that. My flat is much more important because it is my comfort zone and I only gave it to her to help temporairly. I feel so disrespected by her. I have had my ways of getting in touch with her. I told her that she has no dignity and no shame for doing this to me. She said she does care and she feels really bad and ashamed ….but with no answer about the money. I already started seeking advise and will be actively doing so within next few days if this is not resolved.

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (2 hours, 30 minutes after post)

I think thats the best past and believe me, I know what you mean I have recently lost 2 friends in my life who completly disrespected me and treated me badly and I flelt as tho a weight had been lifted, I would threaten her with the courts and see where that gets you

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 hours, 39 minutes after post)

You are certainly right Victoria about not needing such friends who disrespect you. I am starting to feel much better because the weight is getting lifted soon. I’ll leave her a letter stating that if she does leave without paying the rest , that I’ll be serving her with a summon to appear in court so she can leave me the address of where she’ll go or she’ll be served at her workplace. If she does want to make a payment plan that she needs to let me know of payment dates and how much per payment and what method. I’ll remind her that if I do get a court ruling in my favor that I’ll ask for court fees as well and if she does not cooperate then I’ll file for seize of asset and / or garnishment of wage.

I think this should work. I have to be careful with the wording though.

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (2 hours, 44 minutes after post)

If you can, get it looked over by a solicitor or something, you need it to sound assertive and professional but not overbearing and too threating, even tho it is a threat

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 hours, 51 minutes after post)

That’s how I been , assertive and professional. I told her that I am not doing this because I am trying to make her life difficult , but because by agreement she owes me this money. I told her that I separate business from personal friendship and this situation is getting both in a very close spark and tension ; but I am still separating them. I had so much ambition with this extra income but she ruined alot of things for me.

Solicitors takes a fee or % and I don’t think the money is big enough for that. But I can certainly try. Won’t hurt to find out what they can do for me.

I still can’t believe she tried to get me to pay for her storage that she choose to rent out even though I personally discouraged her from it because of the fees involved in it & welcomed that she makes it a comfort environment by bringing in her stuff.

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (2 hours, 56 minutes after post)

Thats an abolute joke, you were so kind offering your place out and this is how she repays you, I think that you are completley doing the right thing

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (3 hours, 6 minutes after post)

Thankfully someone else thinks the same thing. Sometimes I think something is totally missing here because it’s so unbelievable sometimes I don’t even believe myself about this. It’s not that I won’t help anyone again but I’ll be more upfront about things like this right at the beginning.

I don’t think she’ll go through with court because after the ultimatium she got scared (her tone was that she is really worried about this) and how I quoted parts of the Tenant law and printed the rest for her. Two main areas that I showed her: that she’s responsible for rent as well, and that she’s responsible for her own expenses as long as I was NOT the cause for them. She might say oh I had this and that to pay for …..but I think that usually rent is a priority.

How is she going to be renting out somewhere else if she does the same thing to landlords? is she going to say to them that she was sick but yet working ?….that she’s not feeling well yet she was at the bar with friends? or that she’s not feeling well and she’ll talk to them later and never respond back for days? what landlord would take this ? to have a roof above us is more important to take care of first.

Am I missing something …. LOL cause I am going crazy LOL.

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (3 hours, 14 minutes after post)

I have always always put my rent as priority, it comes straight out of wages and once thats done, I am free to play with the rest of my money as I choose, I especially could never ever do that to a friend,

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (4 hours, 15 minutes after post)

Same here. Some people find it easier to screw over a friend than a stranger who can have no sympathy toward them.

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (1 day after post)

Sadly this happen too often. Some people are just made like that and it’s a waste of your time attempting to reason with them. I had done something similar and they informed me it was okay to screw your friends…a stranger won’t let them.
I borrowed a big ticket item worth a hundred times more and put it in a “special” place until they found the money (plus gratuities). Although they made a lot of noise and the police told them they don’t get involved in civil cases, it took them the next business day:) I still see them, but I don’t let them in my house:)

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 days, 4 hours after post)

sorry aint been online in a while so how is the situation now? has it improved or is that you are still waiting to be paid?

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 days, 8 hours after post)

That’s ok samsung. Last update is that I went to the house on Friday to get the keys and give her a letter that explained I’ll go to court. We spoke and I told her what I was going to do (court) and she started shaking and she was scared to leave and gave me a written note with her signature (and a text to confirm) that she’ll pay on Tuesday the entire full amount. I told her if not then she needs to leave. So here I’ll wait until Tuesday otherwise I will not wait 2 more seconds after that regardless of anything.

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An Unknown Location | 5 months ago (2 days, 13 hours after post)

good at least you have made it clear and it has progressed any way i wish you luck on the situation at least now she is trying to do something about it unlike be fore

goood luck and enjoy the return of the flat

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Fritwell, K2, GB | 5 months ago (3 days, 1 hour after post)

Hope all goes well on Tuesday

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