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The Value of Knowledge and Truth. Many peoples have forgotten this value, or never learned it in the first place. Truth and knowledge are the only factors that make this universe, existence, tangible. They are what make up all that you love. Not this material illusion that we experience. It is the experiences themselves, and the knowledge that they are based upon, that make life so beautiful, worthy, and truthful. Knowledge makes up all of your memories and that which you define yourself as.
Now, the idea of “value” is based upon relationships with other entities(essentially ideas in the human condition). The value is defined upon how objects affect existence in contrast to each other. However, the value of knowledge is difficult to ascertain, because all of your past experiences, and thus values, cease to exist without knowledge. Also, all that you value, is based upon knowledge. Ergo, values are a form of knowledge. Thus, to ourselves, knowledge is infinitely valuable, as it makes up all and any possible values.
However, certain knowledge has more value than other knowledge. And certain possessions allow us to survive, and in effect, they maintain our most valuable possession, existence and thus knowledge. Which can lead to the illusion that objects are more valuable. They are not, they simply lead to what you value most, knowledge.
Our technology IS a valuable tool, and ever increasing in it’s potential, as long as there is knowledge to use it and to appreciate the functions involved. Without knowledge, tools, which are ideas, simply cease to exist. So, the basic premise of having knowledge(our existence), is infinitely more valuable than technology, because without it tools(an idea) cease to exist entirely in our value system(no longer existent), no matter how much technology is available. Or in short, our knowledge is infinitely more valuable than technology.
This is important to appreciate, and understand before laying out a value system, like a resource economy, or what we use to make decisions day to day. Technology is powerful, and can be used for the delegation of decisions. Yet we must not loose the realization that technology is NOT our most valuable resource. The most valuable resource has and always will be knowledge, education, cognition, and understanding.
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dunno but i counted 19 value’s and valuables
I agree Knowledge is more valuable…I would even have put history in there…so you don’t often make the mistake of repeating the same mistake twice…but with out knowledge you wouldn’t be able to analyze it and put into perspective. I almost started to applaud though when you said objects are only as valuable as we make them, it seems like people are driven by money yet money won’t always have the same value which has shown true from eggs just costing a mere 7 cents a carton to being **** near 3.85 a carton. Yes our technology is a valuable tool it makes communication for people like me and you possible you being in Canuck ville and being an American =) Oh and your technology theory is being put to work to see how valuable it is…because North Korea or a pro-pyongchineseword group did cyber attacks to the S. Korea and U.S. defense network sites run by the governments, perhaps this is a sign that shows how valuable technology is…so valuable we are no longer doing suicide bombings or regular attacks or verbal words but trying to bring down enemy’s through the internet…
sadly, BASIC Knowledge of life and the very existence of ascension is some dim in peoples lives and has been for some time. I try to enlighten other peoples minds and reach out to them to become free thinkers…. sadly I rarely scrap the surface of their mind… they will learn when and if they want to… no one can force knowledge on you, wisdom is something that comes in time and intelligence is learned.
I was looking forward to this because of the title. And than I read it and you’ve seemed to stress the importance of knowledge…but not so much truth. Yes, you gain truth through knowledge - but the point of gaining all this knowledge is to finally gain truth, is it not?
While it was well written, cohesive and I find it to be correct - I feel like its missing some heart and an over all conclusion. What is the point you are driving home?
I realize you aren’t writing an essay here - but I feel like I’m missing what you were aiming at.
Is it that we value possessions too much? Or that we put too much weight on their worth? Or not enough weight on knowledge? All or none of those?
I don’t really know what to say other than I agree and cannot dispute it. But something isn’t right. Normally, I am able to expound on a subject and make some kind of fundamentally sound inference. For some mysterious reason, I feel very withdrawn from intelligent discussions and have been now for a couple of days. This is slightly disturbing seeing as how I’m usually clever with words and can aptly interpret something with little, if not any measure of difficulty. So please excuse my reply, as it is clearly unrelated to the subject of this post other than I value my knowledge and wish to retain every ounce of it.
mills wrote:
I don’t really know what to say other than I agree and cannot dispute it. But something isn’t right. Normally, I am able to expound on a subject and make some kind of fundamentally sound inference. For some mysterious reason, I feel very withdrawn from intelligent discussions and have been now for a couple of days. This is slightly disturbing seeing as how I’m usually clever with words and can aptly interpret something with little, if not any measure of difficulty. So please excuse my reply, as it is clearly unrelated to the subject of this post other than I value my knowledge and wish to retain every ounce of it.
I’m having the same problem!!! It’s weird, isn’t it?
Hey - why doesn’t anyone ever stress the value of simplicity? In a world of chaos - simplicity is your greatest ally.
usurper wrote:
Hey - why doesn’t anyone ever stress the value of simplicity? In a world of chaos - simplicity is your greatest ally.
Simplicity is only valuable to those who cannot understand the complicated
usurper wrote:
I was looking forward to this because of the title. And than I read it and you’ve seemed to stress the importance of knowledge…but not so much truth. Yes, you gain truth through knowledge - but the point of gaining all this knowledge is to finally gain truth, is it not?
While it was well written, cohesive and I find it to be correct - I feel like its missing some heart and an over all conclusion. What is the point you are driving home?
I realize you aren’t writing an essay here - but I feel like I’m missing what you were aiming at.
Is it that we value possessions too much? Or that we put too much weight on their worth? Or not enough weight on knowledge? All or none of those?
I suppose your right, I didn’t cover much ground on truth. The reason behind that is, the only truth that we have is knowledge. Nothing is essentially true, other than the innate form of your knowledge. That is to say, only the “feeling” of knowledge can you be certain of, not the validity of applying such knowledge. The only truth that YOU have IS your knowledge. Hence the age old statement, the only one you can trust, is yourself. It’s both the curse and gift of subjectivity.
mills wrote:
I don’t really know what to say other than I agree and cannot dispute it. But something isn’t right. Normally, I am able to expound on a subject and make some kind of fundamentally sound inference. For some mysterious reason, I feel very withdrawn from intelligent discussions and have been now for a couple of days. This is slightly disturbing seeing as how I’m usually clever with words and can aptly interpret something with little, if not any measure of difficulty. So please excuse my reply, as it is clearly unrelated to the subject of this post other than I value my knowledge and wish to retain every ounce of it.
I am sorry to hear that mills. Your opinions have been very well spoken and thought provoking in my experience. So, that is a true loss. Perhaps you will find some inspiration within this link.
http://help.com/post/291958-your-atte…
usurper wrote:
mills wrote:
I don’t really know what to say other than I agree and cannot dispute it. But something isn’t right. Normally, I am able to expound on a subject and make some kind of fundamentally sound inference. For some mysterious reason, I feel very withdrawn from intelligent discussions and have been now for a couple of days. This is slightly disturbing seeing as how I’m usually clever with words and can aptly interpret something with little, if not any measure of difficulty. So please excuse my reply, as it is clearly unrelated to the subject of this post other than I value my knowledge and wish to retain every ounce of it.
I’m having the same problem!!! It’s weird, isn’t it?
And I thought I was suffering all alone. Yeah, what a painful coincidence. I am just surviving this week on a subconscious level only it would seem.
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
usurper wrote:
Hey - why doesn’t anyone ever stress the value of simplicity? In a world of chaos - simplicity is your greatest ally.
Simplicity is only valuable to those who cannot understand the complicated
I have to interject here - I think simplicity is equally important to those who understand the complicated - because at times when you (as in whoever is reading this, not you specifically) over complicate things, you can ruin them. Sometimes simple is best and that is a difficult thing to grasp for those who understand the complicated and tend to apply it to everything. Hence the “keep it simple, stupid” saying.
For the rest of what you said, I thank you.
usurper wrote:
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
usurper wrote:
Hey - why doesn’t anyone ever stress the value of simplicity? In a world of chaos - simplicity is your greatest ally.
Simplicity is only valuable to those who cannot understand the complicated
I have to interject here - I think simplicity is equally important to those who understand the complicated - because at times when you (as in whoever is reading this, not you specifically) over complicate things, you can ruin them. Sometimes simple is best and that is a difficult thing to grasp for those who understand the complicated and tend to apply it to everything. Hence the “keep it simple, stupid” saying.
For the rest of what you said, I thank you.
My point was this; it’s all relative. To us, many complicated things seem simple. Like the ability to recognize objects. Computers have great difficulty with this task, because it is very complicated. But to us, it’s very simple because our brains are able to understand the images. And we are able to understand the images, because our brains are very very complicated.
It is not the complexity or simplicity of a situation that aids us, it’s the ability to understand them. Although, in this life, it would seem nothing is ever simple.
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
usurper wrote:
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
usurper wrote:
Hey - why doesn’t anyone ever stress the value of simplicity? In a world of chaos - simplicity is your greatest ally.
Simplicity is only valuable to those who cannot understand the complicated
I have to interject here - I think simplicity is equally important to those who understand the complicated - because at times when you (as in whoever is reading this, not you specifically) over complicate things, you can ruin them. Sometimes simple is best and that is a difficult thing to grasp for those who understand the complicated and tend to apply it to everything. Hence the “keep it simple, stupid” saying.
For the rest of what you said, I thank you.
My point was this; it’s all relative. To us, many complicated things seem simple. Like the ability to recognize objects. Computers have great difficulty with this task, because it is very complicated. But to us, it’s very simple because our brains are able to understand the images. And we are able to understand the images, because our brains are very very complicated.
It is not the complexity or simplicity of a situation that aids us, it’s the ability to understand them. Although, in this life, it would seem nothing is ever simple.
I really don’t know what to say anymore - I’m with mills - on a conscious vacation. It sucks.
My interpretation was that you want to disagree with something, yet you can’t really put your finger on what that is?
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
My interpretation was that you want to disagree with something, yet you can’t really put your finger on what that is?
Ha ha yeah sounds about right. How sad.
Well, on a side note, I find complexity to be one of the most beautiful things that this world can offer us. That’s why I have a book from the library about complexity itself. I haven’t read it though. I’m such a procrastinator.
I don’t know - I like both sides of the coin. Simplicity and complexity. I appreciate both.
I think you underestimate how much truth there is in what I said; nothing is ever simple in this world. Simplicity, is an illusion, as well as complexity. They are relative to comprehension.
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
I think you underestimate how much truth there is in what I said;
Ha ha you would say that.
Yes, yes, I know, its all an illusion - I don’t know where this is going but I have a feeling its headed toward us disagreeing about something which will turn into some kind of a debate about a topic that had no direction in the first place and maybe we should just kill it here.
Unless you planning on saying something mysterious and reassuring, in which case i’ll stick around. I have a soft spot for mysterious and reassuring.
Why would it have no direction? Perhaps you just can’t recognize the direction, because you’ve never truly gone in this direction? Perhaps, it’s a direction your afraid of traveling in.
I’m sorry, my reassurance was all used up in the beauty of complexity. XD
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
Why would it have no direction? Perhaps you just can’t recognize the direction, because you’ve never truly gone in this direction? Perhaps, it’s a direction your afraid of traveling in.
What direction are you referring to?
Oh sure, challenge me and than vanish.
How convenient…
It’s not my fault. The server keeps failing. Or it appears to on my computer…
The direction of a uncertain universe and world. The direction of trying to understand it. The direction of infinite possibilities. The direction of this life being an illusion. The direction that challenges the validity of your understanding and thoughts.
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
It’s not my fault. The server keeps failing. Or it appears to on my computer…
The direction of a uncertain universe and world. The direction of trying to understand it. The direction of infinite possibilities. The direction of this life being an illusion. The direction that challenges the validity of your understanding and thoughts.
Yeah I took that road about 9 months ago. And here I am. Why do you think I’m fed up and angered with all these questions that don’t make a ******* bit of difference because no one knows the answers to them?
Perhaps it’s up to us to find those answers.
Quantum_Spirit wrote:
Perhaps it’s up to us to find those answers.
I’ve tried. And the conclusion that I’ve come to is this: it doesn’t matter. It’s good to know about these things, question them and of course it ignites a fire in some of us; we’re a curious bunch by nature. But the answer doesn’t matter - it’s the act of questioning it all that does. I think perhaps its just one of the many phases in life.
What, specifically doesn’t matter? I ask because I feel that my life, and perhaps all of humanity’s lives, are inconsequential in the big picture. Yet, my humanity provides the unique stance upon which these perspectives, lives, and values exist. So which is it? Does it matter, or not?
Now, I’m pretty sure that you weren’t thinking of the same “it”. You were thinking, how does the objective picture affect my subjective perspective? No?
Well, they are both the same relationship in principle, just opposite ends.
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