Hydrogen isn’t the perfect fuel, it’s a royal pain in the *** to get to work and terribly expensive, and difficult to store. Go electric.
I have a closer relationship with the musquito in my room, you know howsometimes you just don’t have an opinion. This is one of those times I don’t have more to say then: don’t have enough knowledge, don’t know the guy, I just don’t know.
Commander wrote:
Hydrogen isn’t the perfect fuel, it’s a royal pain in the *** to get to work and terribly expensive, and difficult to store. Go electric.
i’m aware this is technically a different topic, but going electric isn’t the right way either really. the problem with electric is the electricity has to come from somewhere, and if that’s conventional sources there’s no point bothering because all that’s going on is you are moving the source of pollution down the chain. hydrogen is a bugger granted but at least it’s a new idea. it’s either invest in renewable energy sources and let cars follow suit (as the will do naturally because electricity is fundamentally a better way to power cars) or invest in hydrogen infrastructure. biofuels and electric cars and both massive red herrings.
as far as obama goes, i’m still waiting to see, there are a lot of good words but not much more at the moment in my opinion.
Jubilee wrote:
Commander wrote:
Hydrogen isn’t the perfect fuel, it’s a royal pain in the *** to get to work and terribly expensive, and difficult to store. Go electric.
i’m aware this is technically a different topic, but going electric isn’t the right way either really. the problem with electric is the electricity has to come from somewhere, and if that’s conventional sources there’s no point bothering because all that’s going on is you are moving the source of pollution down the chain. hydrogen is a bugger granted but at least it’s a new idea. it’s either invest in renewable energy sources and let cars follow suit (as the will do naturally because electricity is fundamentally a better way to power cars) or invest in hydrogen infrastructure. biofuels and electric cars and both massive red herrings.
as far as obama goes, i’m still waiting to see, there are a lot of good words but not much more at the moment in my opinion.
biofuels was the worst idea ever. And electric cars would still help. The key thing is investment into technologies that will replace coal and oil powered energy systems.
I dislike Obama. He refuses to stop or expose torture, he is aiming to take away my second amendment rights, his voting record shows that he is in favor of “disposing” of babies that have survived botched abortions, he refuses to end our screwing around with other country’s problems, and he refuses to withdraw troops from the middle east. That is a short list of the stuff that I have against him. It’s not a personal thing, but I just don’t agree with they guy on a lot of important issues. For the record I didn’t vote for him or McCain. That’s my two cents.
Sir Cody † wrote:
I dislike Obama. He refuses to stop or expose torture, he is aiming to take away my second amendment rights, his voting record shows that he is in favor of “disposing” of babies that have survived botched abortions, he refuses to end our screwing around with other country’s problems, and he refuses to withdraw troops from the middle east. That is a short list of the stuff that I have against him. It’s not a personal thing, but I just don’t agree with they guy on a lot of important issues. For the record I didn’t vote for him or McCain. That’s my two cents.
With these recent Supreme Court rulings I really doubt he could do much to get in the way of gun rights.
Demand teleporters, a new space station and free mountain dew for the third world.
I kind of like hydrogen - the idea wasn’t bad, just the production issues (cars, stations, transportation oh and that nasty “so what will we burn this time to make electricity so we can play in labcoats and *magic* hydrogen!~)
Commander wrote:
With these recent Supreme Court rulings I really doubt he could do much to get in the way of gun rights.
Well, not him, but those who he is with can. Kissenger(sp?) openly stated that they are looking to abolish all private gun ownership by this November.
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Commander wrote:
With these recent Supreme Court rulings I really doubt he could do much to get in the way of gun rights.
Well, not him, but those who he is with can. Kissenger(sp?) openly stated that they are looking to abolish all private gun ownership by this November.
no…. They can’t, as it would be contrary the Constitution, unless you think they’ll try amending it.
do you honestly think that they care about the constitution anymore? If they followed the constitution we wouldn’t have the IRS, Social Security, or the Federal Reserve. Politicians stopped caring about our constitution many years ago. “The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.” They may be a few idiots out there who cannot understand that statement, but it is pretty obvious. In that statement there is no room made for any sort of restriction no matter how small. While one may not agree with someone having such a right that does not negate the fact that it is in our constitution.
Eh… We went off topic. What do you think of our current president Commander?
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Sir Cody † wrote:
do you honestly think that they care about the constitution anymore? If they followed the constitution we wouldn’t have the IRS, Social Security, or the Federal Reserve. Politicians stopped caring about our constitution many years ago. “The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.” They may be a few idiots out there who cannot understand that statement, but it is pretty obvious. In that statement there is no room made for any sort of restriction no matter how small. While one may not agree with someone having such a right that does not negate the fact that it is in our constitution.
Various court rulings influence how the laws stand, we have recently have had rulings that have returned founders intent back. For the moment, they cannot limit guns as they have. They care about court rulings, if not the Constitution.
Sir Cody † wrote:
Eh… We went off topic. What do you think of our current president Commander?
Anyone that pisses Sean Hannity off so much cannot be a bad man.
I like Obama more then bush it’s nice to see some 1 who can connect with the people and some one who doesn’t rule the country totally based on religious right wing views. I do disagree with his gun laws or views…the way I see it is every shooting school or not could have been prevented if some one else had a gun. I think he is a better president and nice change of voice. You have to remember he sent more troops to Iraq so he could end it and finally we are no longer patrolling streets atleast from what I know and he sent more troops to afghanistan because of Robert gates advising him too I mean if you don’t know everythign you’ll listen to some one who does. I personally think the war is a horrible idea but still. Just a little wierd though that he wants to reform health care but in his speech he said the reason why we dont have health care like france and canada is because it’s 1/6 of our economy…which shows you that he openly admitted that our outrageous medical bills fuel this place.
Commander wrote:
Various court rulings influence how the laws stand, we have recently have had rulings that have returned founders intent back. For the moment, they cannot limit guns as they have. They care about court rulings, if not the Constitution.
Sir Cody † wrote:
Eh… We went off topic. What do you think of our current president Commander?
Anyone that pisses Sean Hannity off so much cannot be a bad man.
can’t limit guns huh? what do you call what they are doing with ammo? Also, all that has to happen for them to take guns completely away is for there to be some type of disaster. You remember Katrina? Well, after that little fiasco, Z (AKA Blackwater) was there taking up all the firearms they could find. Anyone who resisted was arrested. Now correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t quite remember anyone saying in Washington that, “Hey, wait a minute… This is unconstitutional. Maybe this isn’t such a great idea after all.”
Sir Cody † wrote:
Commander wrote:
Various court rulings influence how the laws stand, we have recently have had rulings that have returned founders intent back. For the moment, they cannot limit guns as they have. They care about court rulings, if not the Constitution.
Sir Cody † wrote:
Eh… We went off topic. What do you think of our current president Commander?
Anyone that pisses Sean Hannity off so much cannot be a bad man.
can’t limit guns huh? what do you call what they are doing with ammo? Also, all that has to happen for them to take guns completely away is for there to be some type of disaster. You remember Katrina? Well, after that little fiasco, Z (AKA Blackwater) was there taking up all the firearms they could find. Anyone who resisted was arrested. Now correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t quite remember anyone saying in Washington that, “Hey, wait a minute… This is unconstitutional. Maybe this isn’t such a great idea after all.”
Bless my heart, are you referring to the actions taken after Katrina, and suggesting it might have been…. a fiasco?
that whole thing was a fiasco
I never vote for a politician expecting anything. My vote is basically a stop gap measure intended to buy me some more time to accomplish what I want to accomplish. I never entertained any expectations or hopes that the President would do anything for me. I try to rely on myself more than politicians and other people (which is something I feel more people should try to accomplish - not for my benefit but for theirs). So as long as the President doesn’t get in my way, I’m all right with him or her (if we happen to get a female President in the future). So far Obama hasn’t gotten in my way, so I made a good choice.
Irony, I do love irony. haha Yes, I am referring to them as a fiasco.
New American Atheist wrote:
I never vote for a politician expecting anything. My vote is basically a stop gap measure intended to buy me some more time to accomplish what I want to accomplish. I never entertained any expectations or hopes that the President would do anything for me. I try to rely on myself more than politicians and other people (which is something I feel more people should try to accomplish - not for my benefit but for theirs). So as long as the President doesn’t get in my way, I’m all right with him or her (if we happen to get a female President in the future). So far Obama hasn’t gotten in my way, so I made a good choice.
That is an interesting voting policy. Not a bad stance for someone of your beliefs.
woah, this really took off while i wasn’t looking! firstly i didn’t say biofuels were the worst idea every, they are just a red herring. they are another short term solution with widespread implications we don’t have the infrastructure to deal with. and you completely hit the nail on the head when you said, “The key thing is investment into technologies that will replace coal and oil powered energy systems.” so what i don’t understand is if you understand that’s where the investment should go, why bother supporting electric cars? once there is cheap, renewable power with a solid infrastructure in place to distribute it electric cars will be developed as a matter of course, putting money into them now just serves to make people in the street feel better about themselves because ‘they have an electric car’. this is counter-productive because it puts the problem out of sight and out of mind.
Jubilee wrote:
woah, this really took off while i wasn’t looking! firstly i didn’t say biofuels were the worst idea every, they are just a red herring. they are another short term solution with widespread implications we don’t have the infrastructure to deal with. and you completely hit the nail on the head when you said, “The key thing is investment into technologies that will replace coal and oil powered energy systems.” so what i don’t understand is if you understand that’s where the investment should go, why bother supporting electric cars? once there is cheap, renewable power with a solid infrastructure in place to distribute it electric cars will be developed as a matter of course, putting money into them now just serves to make people in the street feel better about themselves because ‘they have an electric car’. this is counter-productive because it puts the problem out of sight and out of mind.
Because why not nurture it? It’s already developing quite well, and it would still lower emissions, though until electrical production is emissions free, we won’t be entirely there yet. It won’t be out of sight or out of mind.
Besides, I like it, quite nifty.
Commander wrote:
Hydrogen isn’t the perfect fuel, it’s a royal pain in the *** to get to work and terribly expensive, and difficult to store. Go electric.
No, sorry. I have an electrolosys(sp?) setup in my basement, it’s great. With platinum fuel cells it’s not hard to work or store.
Sigurrós wrote:
I have a closer relationship with the musquito in my room, you know howsometimes you just don’t have an opinion. This is one of those times I don’t have more to say then: don’t have enough knowledge, don’t know the guy, I just don’t know.
At least you’re honest : ).. lots of people would just believe the whispers they hear whether they’re for or against him..
Jubilee wrote:
Commander wrote:
Hydrogen isn’t the perfect fuel, it’s a royal pain in the *** to get to work and terribly expensive, and difficult to store. Go electric.
i’m aware this is technically a different topic, but going electric isn’t the right way either really. the problem with electric is the electricity has to come from somewhere, and if that’s conventional sources there’s no point bothering because all that’s going on is you are moving the source of pollution down the chain. hydrogen is a bugger granted but at least it’s a new idea. it’s either invest in renewable energy sources and let cars follow suit (as the will do naturally because electricity is fundamentally a better way to power cars) or invest in hydrogen infrastructure. biofuels and electric cars and both massive red herrings.
as far as obama goes, i’m still waiting to see, there are a lot of good words but not much more at the moment in my opinion.
It’s alright, I love fuel discussion : ) even if it’s off-topic.. biofuels would be great if we could produce enough algae, but even then hydrogen has less emmissions.. but how long do we have to wait to see if obama is good or not?
LocoLamigra31 wrote:
I like Obama more then bush it’s nice to see some 1 who can connect with the people and some one who doesn’t rule the country totally based on religious right wing views. I do disagree with his gun laws or views…the way I see it is every shooting school or not could have been prevented if some one else had a gun. I think he is a better president and nice change of voice. You have to remember he sent more troops to Iraq so he could end it and finally we are no longer patrolling streets atleast from what I know and he sent more troops to afghanistan because of Robert gates advising him too I mean if you don’t know everythign you’ll listen to some one who does. I personally think the war is a horrible idea but still. Just a little wierd though that he wants to reform health care but in his speech he said the reason why we dont have health care like france and canada is because it’s 1/6 of our economy…which shows you that he openly admitted that our outrageous medical bills fuel this place.
right, but he still lied and sent more in after he said he wouldnt, correct?? please dont say bush lied too, because i dont care what bush did, hes gone and i dont have to worry about him any more : ).. im scared of his health care stuff honestly, my family has good health care, as my mom teaches, and i really dont want a crappy government plan, because im going to need my knees replaced at some point..
New American Atheist wrote:
I never vote for a politician expecting anything. My vote is basically a stop gap measure intended to buy me some more time to accomplish what I want to accomplish. I never entertained any expectations or hopes that the President would do anything for me. I try to rely on myself more than politicians and other people (which is something I feel more people should try to accomplish - not for my benefit but for theirs). So as long as the President doesn’t get in my way, I’m all right with him or her (if we happen to get a female President in the future). So far Obama hasn’t gotten in my way, so I made a good choice.
I agree with that, i dont want the government in my way of success… unfortunatly i have to think of it as “what will get in my way in the future”, because i dont pay taxes yet or anything..
Commander wrote:
Because why not nurture it? It’s already developing quite well, and it would still lower emissions, though until electrical production is emissions free, we won’t be entirely there yet. It won’t be out of sight or out of mind.
Besides, I like it, quite nifty.
it’ll develop well on it’s own, without public investment, industry should be leading the way with things like that but it won’t do without any insentive, and the longer public money is used to try to push the companies into electric stuff the longer we’ll be fighting against the current. plus it won’t lower emissions, it would just move the source of their production from people’s cars to power stations.
Bluflames, the government run health care plan obama is proposing means if your happy you can keep your plan…if your like me…where you don’t have a job and health care would be way expensive it fits.
LocoLamigra31 wrote:
Bluflames, the government run health care plan obama is proposing means if your happy you can keep your plan…if your like me…where you don’t have a job and health care would be way expensive it fits.
that sounds great, but how i have heard it, employers will have the choice to pay thousands more than they are for private health care for their employees, or give their employees much cheaper ObamaCare.. which would you do as an employer in a struggling economy??
if you think that forcing the insurance companies to compete is a bad thing then yes, you should be against this bill. Besides that don’t businesses usually pride themselves in the benefits they give their employees? If the new medicare bill provides government supplied insurance that isn’t quite as good as your other insurances, would you upset all your employees by switching to it? not to mention the blue collar jobs with unions that you’d have to contend with. more than that, what about companies that can’t afford to supply their employees with health insurance that is too expensive from every available venue. If there was an option cheap enough for them to afford, would every company switch to it without giving you a choice? your argument is a self induced paradox. Its like saying if government run soup kitchens were set up free to all, everyone would stop getting fast food and shopping at the grocery store. Its self serving argumentative logic that doesn’t hold up.
name with no face wrote:
if you think that forcing the insurance companies to compete is a bad thing then yes, you should be against this bill. Besides that don’t businesses usually pride themselves in the benefits they give their employees? If the new medicare bill provides government supplied insurance that isn’t quite as good as your other insurances, would you upset all your employees by switching to it? not to mention the blue collar jobs with unions that you’d have to contend with. more than that, what about companies that can’t afford to supply their employees with health insurance that is too expensive from every available venue. If there was an option cheap enough for them to afford, would every company switch to it without giving you a choice? your argument is a self induced paradox. Its like saying if government run soup kitchens were set up free to all, everyone would stop getting fast food and shopping at the grocery store. Its self serving argumentative logic that doesn’t hold up.
It does make sense to me that if the government handed out free food to everyone business at fast food places and the grocery would go drastically down, and lots of places would go out of business.. dont you?? People tend to look for deals when buying things. If a business could give health benenfits to their employees for much less even if it were just slightly less satisfactory than what they’re getting now I think they would do it. Think if you were running a business what would you do..
lulz Wegmans is a northeast cost grocery market chain that most people say is more expensive than the other guys, but the quality and customer service make it hands down the most popular grocery store in any area it occupies. People will sometimes even drive a hour or two just to get there. so much for your shopping around theory. i mean, i know walmart has the cheapest prices, but other than name brands their products stink and their customer service is even worse, so i don’t shop there. But you know who it does help out? people that Can’t Afford more expensive stores.
Oh yeah. there is already free food supplied at soup kitchens across America. They might not be government supplied, but its still free. Why don’t you eat there then tell me if you would still pay for your food? oh yeah, fast food didn’t drive restaurants and diners out of business, and they offer burgers for a buck. A Buck!
either way. this is speculation. and bad speculation at that. if there isn’t a cheaper option opened up then there is no way to insure those who can’t afford it. And by your logic, any cheaper option will automatically “force” business to buy it instead of staying to their employees. Its an auto fail kind of logic. It hurts this country and it hurts me to hear people so blind yet so passionate.
okay I doubt it…because if the food wasn’t as good or fattning plus you have to remember restaurants would just adjust to it…and to be honest it wouldn’t be a bad thing with all these fat ***’s walking around. I think that we as humans HAVE THE RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE IF WE ARE SICK…we are 37th or 39th on the list of countrys with health care…what does that tell you? Besides we have been trained and our parents have been trained that pretty much any thing government wrong is bad! besides…wtf is the difference then if the GOVERNMENT supply’s us with schools, fire stations, police stations, parks, and librarys…OUR TAXES PAY FOR THOSE THINGS it’s not like we have police insurance or school insurance…or we pay out of pocket per police visit (in a way we do but not like doctors)
not to mention the fact that the goverment already supplies world class health care to our soldiers, so why fear what could possible be cheaper And better?
yep lets not forget our politicians as well…why do they **** the people that run this capitalism…remember it’s not socialism stopping this plan from passing it’s capitalism…it’s 1/6th of our economy and lobbyests are being paid to stop this from happening…I hope you all look to watch Micheal Moore In love with capitalism documentary in theatres this september or october…
ummm micheal moore is a liberal weasel. he’s like the glenn beck of democrats. so i don’t think i’ll be wasting my money. And im not sure where your getting those facts about the lobbyests being paid to stop this. i mean im sure there are plenty of them who are, but I’d say this movement has been in large headed by rush limbuagh and fox news getting people to revomit their rhetoric at town hall meetings and in letters to congressmen. Its all in their master plan to make Obama look bad enough that they can completely manipulate the votes in 2012. They’ve been obsessed with ways to discredit Obama and plausible nominees they can catapult ever since Obama took office.
name with no face wrote:
lulz Wegmans is a northeast cost grocery market chain that most people say is more expensive than the other guys, but the quality and customer service make it hands down the most popular grocery store in any area it occupies. People will sometimes even drive a hour or two just to get there. so much for your shopping around theory. i mean, i know walmart has the cheapest prices, but other than name brands their products stink and their customer service is even worse, so i don’t shop there. But you know who it does help out? people that Can’t Afford more expensive stores.
Oh yeah. there is already free food supplied at soup kitchens across America. They might not be government supplied, but its still free. Why don’t you eat there then tell me if you would still pay for your food? oh yeah, fast food didn’t drive restaurants and diners out of business, and they offer burgers for a buck. A Buck!
either way. this is speculation. and bad speculation at that. if there isn’t a cheaper option opened up then there is no way to insure those who can’t afford it. And by your logic, any cheaper option will automatically “force” business to buy it instead of staying to their employees. Its an auto fail kind of logic. It hurts this country and it hurts me to hear people so blind yet so passionate.
Wall-Mart has put name brand companies out of business or hurt them because of offering lower prices on lots of things. I had a friend in middle school who had to move to Arizona because his dad worked for Rubbermaid and relocated him because they had to shut down a location where I live BECAUSE Wall-Mart destroyed their sales enough to hurt them…
I have worked at a hunger center to feed the poor for about the last month and lots of times I would much rather eat what they’re having than what my mom is serving me at home. It looks very tasty. I would always take it over McDonalds. However, since the food is donated to be for the poor, it seems morally wrong to me to eat it when my family is financially well enough to afford food.
either way, we obviously dont see this the same way, and i sort of understand where you’re coming from. It would be great if the government health care inspired competition, created jobs, and raised new competing insurance companies! I hope it does, but it’s not my prediction. Somehow the spirit of capitalism has faded, and when companies run out of money they run to the government for a bail out..
LocoLamigra31 wrote:
okay I doubt it…because if the food wasn’t as good or fattning plus you have to remember restaurants would just adjust to it…and to be honest it wouldn’t be a bad thing with all these fat ***’s walking around. I think that we as humans HAVE THE RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE IF WE ARE SICK…we are 37th or 39th on the list of countrys with health care…what does that tell you? Besides we have been trained and our parents have been trained that pretty much any thing government wrong is bad! besides…wtf is the difference then if the GOVERNMENT supply’s us with schools, fire stations, police stations, parks, and librarys…OUR TAXES PAY FOR THOSE THINGS it’s not like we have police insurance or school insurance…or we pay out of pocket per police visit (in a way we do but not like doctors)
I agree that we probably have been programmed that government-run things are bad, just like we are programmed that blind faith in the religion we are raised in is good.. But i went to get my temporary driving permit a little while ago and the DMV is always a mess, its crowded and slow moving and forms and fees one on top of the other.. I just really dont like the idea of my health being taken care of in that slow uncomfortable mannor..
LocoLamigra31 wrote:
yep lets not forget our politicians as well…why do they **** the people that run this capitalism…remember it’s not socialism stopping this plan from passing it’s capitalism…it’s 1/6th of our economy and lobbyests are being paid to stop this from happening…I hope you all look to watch Micheal Moore In love with capitalism documentary in theatres this september or october…
Right, it’s 1/6 of our economy that the government is going to take control of. That’s 1/6 less control of our finances that we are in control of. Its higher taxes to pay for other peoples health care that cant afford it. If I want to donate to the government “help those without health-care” commission, then I will, but I don’t want to be forced.. Who doesn’t love a good conspiracy documentary?? : )
name with no face wrote:
ummm micheal moore is a liberal weasel. he’s like the glenn beck of democrats. so i don’t think i’ll be wasting my money. And im not sure where your getting those facts about the lobbyests being paid to stop this. i mean im sure there are plenty of them who are, but I’d say this movement has been in large headed by rush limbuagh and fox news getting people to revomit their rhetoric at town hall meetings and in letters to congressmen. Its all in their master plan to make Obama look bad enough that they can completely manipulate the votes in 2012. They’ve been obsessed with ways to discredit Obama and plausible nominees they can catapult ever since Obama took office.
..Doesn’t both parties do that?? Be honest and think about it : ) both parties try to discredit the opposing side while they aren’t in office whether the president is good or not.. Bush had mud slung all over him whether he deserved it or not, its your opinion. Even after he left office it was Bush’s fault because he left Obama with too big a problem to handle, and too much debt.. Both parties do it, being lying scum is all part of the fun of being a politician! : )
well at least your not a dining room table with an invalid argument like “Obama is the new Hitler and wants to kill America!”
Although, I have to correct one thing you were saying there, about the government taking control of 1/6 the economy. Offering a government run option is not taking control. And that is all the bill is, an Option. Its simply offering the option to those who want to take it. And besides that, if the bill is as bad as you and everyone who gets their news solely from Fox news and Rush think it is, (what with the death panels and DMV comparisons) then insurance companies would have to do a really horrible job if they can’t compete with it.
now about that last thing you were saying.
Discredit sure. I mean, he did win an election he lost by popular count. But most early disagreements were about moral issues and not social/financial/military issues which later became the focus only after he already massively failed in those areas. Incite hate, fear, and radicalism though? I’m sorry, but no. The spin might have been there, but the underhanded tactics being implemented to impeded this president are unprecedented. The marches against war were not started by disinformation from the news. The birther idiocy, death panel scare tactics, socialism bashing, constitutional confusion, and Hitler references, however, were.
I appreciate those in the opposition with valid opinions such as yourself. You actually have a valid point, even if its a very speculative point, and that makes for the competition that always betters both sides. But what many right wing programs are attempting to do is start a revolution of misinformation in an attempt at total control over their constituents. They may not have started all the fires of unfounded fear and hate, but they are certainly fueling them every step of the way becuase they don’t think they can win with valid arguments. And what scares me is that this time around, its a fire full of people who are itching to use that cache of guns they’ve begun stockpiling. Both sides have had their fanatics and fools, but this uprising is practically run by them, with only a few sane threads, such as yourself(i think), to be found in their tapestry of opposition.
Oh yeah. and about the Walmart thing. Don’t you just love how capitalism works?
Some people wanted to label them as a monopoly to keep them from hurting those businesses, but that would have been overstretching legal bounds, and it would have been an awfully socialist thing to do.
And lastly about that dmv comparison. Didn’t you hear Bill Kristol saying how the government already supplies great health insurance to our troops. Doesn’t that mean they could do the same for the public too? And even if a company doesn’t think so, they’re still left with the option of giving their employees better health insurance. That or they risk loosing their work force since benefits (particularly health benefits) is one of the big deal make-or-breakers of choosing your place of work, not to mention all those who have strongly opposed the entire idea of it from the start. So to answer your question about what I would do if I ran a business, I would offer my employees the healthcare they wanted, so I still have people to employ.
name with no face:
That’s a lot!! : )
As for saying Obama is like Hitler and wants to kill America, there are billions of youtube videos about bush being the devil, so I kind of think that no matter who is elected, there’s going to be someone unhappy who wants to throw s#!t at the president, whether there’s any truth to it or not..
I really hope the health reform is an option, since from what I have heard about 80%? of Americans have health insurance and are happy with it and if the government runs 20% of 1/6 of the economy it shouldnt be that horrible since looking at it that way it seems like it’s not even worth the time worrying about it, so long as my health insurance doesn’t have to change..
Thanks for considering my points valid : ). With the people stockpiling guns, I don’t know if they’re right or wrong, violence usually doesn’t solve issues. Other than the adrenaline of being in a rebellion like that theres no use in it.. And think about it, if im sane and have different points of view, theres got to be some other ones out there, and with enough sane ones on both sides maybe the disinformation and mud slinging could stop one day, even if it seems far off : )
I do love capitalism, Walmart did great, but it’s hard to be happy for them just because they’re so big and lure everyone in with cheap prices on their crappy generic stuff… Circuit City was great, but couldnt compete with everyone going to Wall-Mart..
I have never heard of Bill Kristol but I would hope that the troops get some good health insurance.. If they can do the same for the public who could say it’s bad? But the entire poplulation is much bigger than just the troops, which could lower the quality. If you were employing people I think it would be a great idea to give your employees the choice, but if you’re insuring each person with a different kind of insurance than it’s a lot more complicated for you, and maybe not practical, which I guess would make you a great employer! Right now though, lots of people are layed off and looking for work, so you would have many people to employ..
my point about the hitler (and other) nonsense was that News programs, namely fox and rush limbuagh (for many its the only facet of political information they choose to receive), the people who are supposed to act responsible, are doing it. i don’t care what some yahoo on youtube does. No news casters never acted so careless towards the bush administration.
And isn’t that, “not worth the effort” a bit crass for someone who claims to volunteer at a soup kitchen? 45 million are uninsured, its the other side to that 80% you mentioned, most have jobs but still can’t afford it, and of them around 20,000 die each year due to not having insurance. To me, insuring 45 million people is definitely worth the effort.
And of course I won’t have a problem finding workers during a depression, but its not a depression for every business. But like I said, its a self serving logic that any solution becomes a bad solution. Plus, if your really worried about work opting for the gov/public option and running health insurance agencies out of business, you also have to remember, theres still a strong gop base that would never adhere to such awfulness and would gladly opt out of work supplied “evil” health insurance to buy their own “good” insurance, which you could do as well, so I doubt they’ll be going out of business any time soon. ;)
Where do you get your news and information from anyway?
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my point about the hitler (and other) nonsense was that News programs, namely fox and rush limbuagh (for many its the only facet of political information they choose to receive), the people who are supposed to act responsible, are doing it. i don’t care what some yahoo on youtube does. No news casters never acted so careless towards the bush administration.
And isn’t that, “not worth the effort” a bit crass for someone who claims to volunteer at a soup kitchen? 45 million are uninsured, its the other side to that 80% you mentioned, most have jobs but still can’t afford it, and of them around 20,000 die each year due to not having insurance. To me, insuring 45 million people is definitely worth the effort.
And of course I won’t have a problem finding workers during a depression, but its not a depression for every business. But like I said, its a self serving logic that any solution becomes a bad solution. Plus, if your really worried about work opting for the gov/public option and running health insurance agencies out of business, you also have to remember, theres still a strong gop base that would never adhere to such awfulness and would gladly opt out of work supplied “evil” health insurance to buy their own “good” insurance, which you could do as well, so I doubt they’ll be going out of business any time soon. ;)
Where do you get your news and information from anyway?
Ok, but youtube, yahoo, and the internet have to be just as big if not bigger a source of election information, as the candidates just posted their commercials there this year to get them put on TV.
To clarify I didn’t say “not worth the effort” I said “not worth the time worrying about it”. As in it wouldn’t be worth my time to worry about something that targets such a small percentage of the population. I have volunteered at a soup kitchen, it’s a requirement for my school to do public service.
It’s a depression for Donatos though, and I love Donatos and the one in my town closed, which means this is serious : ).. let’s hope there are good employers who supply good insurance.
I get my information from radio, tv, newspapers, and the internet, how about yourself??
if thats what you think. but i’m pretty sure people are still glued to their tv sets. And besides that, most of what I can find on youtube is taken from the news programs anyway.
Radio, tv, newspapers, And the internet? are you sure you aren’t being too specific there? What about magazines, news journals, and live speeches? But I guess personal isn’t what anyone can expect from a political debate. Me? I also get my information from news outlets. But primarily all of them.
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if thats what you think. but i’m pretty sure people are still glued to their tv sets. And besides that, most of what I can find on youtube is taken from the news programs anyway.
Radio, tv, newspapers, And the internet? are you sure you aren’t being too specific there? What about magazines, news journals, and live speeches? But I guess personal isn’t what anyone can expect from a political debate. Me? I also get my information from news outlets. But primarily all of them.
I hope im not being too specific : ) the internet is mostly articles and videos of speeches or people’s views of what’s going on.. I think that other people’s views are valuable because not everyone sees things the same way..
peoples views are important, but when those people are blind or are being talked over by the blind, then you don’t really get an accurate idea of the big picture. But I won’t go into making the assumption that don’t actually read every paper and watch every channel of news, becuase you might indeed do so. but enough of that.
something new I learned today (although i should have read this two weeks ago) large companies aren’t eligible to take the federal option under the current plan. only those with 20 or less employees.
This page sums up our entire argument I think, (and its even outdated by a couple weeks, so who knows what new bits have been refit in the proposals.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/keep…
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peoples views are important, but when those people are blind or are being talked over by the blind, then you don’t really get an accurate idea of the big picture. But I won’t go into making the assumption that don’t actually read every paper and watch every channel of news, becuase you might indeed do so. but enough of that.
something new I learned today (although i should have read this two weeks ago) large companies aren’t eligible to take the federal option under the current plan. only those with 20 or less employees.
This page sums up our entire argument I think, (and its even outdated by a couple weeks, so who knows what new bits have been refit in the proposals.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/keep…
Ok I see your point a little.. : ) I don’t read or watch every one, I doubt anyone can and still have time to live..
That’s awesome, I don’t know if I should have a problem then..
Ok, I’ll check it out..
hi let me first say very bold of u to ask such a question most dont have the guts. my brother is in the military and leaving in october to go off to war in afganastan, i belive in the war and would like to tell u that sending more troops into the middle east may be the only smart thing this so called leader had done for his country, he dumb *** tried to shut down gwantonimo bay ( thats not spelled write im sorry)but thank fully he was stopped and he feels that we should sit down and have tea and talk abouth the war insted of doing things to finish it. we are the USA we protect those who have no one on their side, however we fight for democracy for all people, so war is inevitable and we are not in a state of draft so the men and wemon going to war know what they are doing and believe they are doing the right thing. when our towers fell we wanted blood for all those we lost and we got in to a point but binladin is still out there and i don’t believe we should stop till he is caught we have made great feats in our war on terror, but its not done and i am very scared for my brother but i am aslo proud he has the courage to stand for his country, like the song says u must stand for something or your fall for anything. and honey as far as the hydro i believe he was trying to save jobs right now and not thinking of creating jobs later, with the way the car manufactors are losing money, but ur right it is the best way to go and perhaps in the future the switch will create more jobs. thanks for listenin
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I find he has a lot of Charisma:) I hope I spelt that right. Too new to rate right now, but the people like him and the proof will be in how he manages your Governors or Senate:)
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I find he has a lot of Charisma:) I hope I spelt that right. Too new to rate right now, but the people like him and the proof will be in how he manages your Governors or Senate:)
unless he can wrestle the corrupt ones away from the special interest groups, their lobbyists, and the vasts sums of money being paid to write our laws, im not sure presidential sway is going to cut it.
our system is broken in three parts. 1st and formost, the information reaching the public though news networks is anything but in depth. (and in some cases blatantly part of a destructive and counterproductive political agenda cough cough fox). unless the public is well informed with unbiased and in depth information, they cannot hope to make an educated decision in the voting booth.
2nd, lobbyists and the money given to senators. its stupid to accept the idiocy behind claims that hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn’t sway (and in some cases dictate) opinion. they are not the public, and yet they are heard by our leaders more than the public. and we just take their word for it that they have the people in mind first when their actions are contradictory to what the public wants. Sometimes it is necessary which is why we have a republic, but when its obvious that big business is getting their way, there is no question as to why. we must always remember, elected officials are always temporary, greed in big business is forever.
3rd, the constitution was meant for two things and people seem to forget one of them an afwul lot. one is to maintain the freedoms of the people, and the other is to maintain the governing body which protects those freedoms. people seem to enjoy biting the hand that feeds them too often these days. our country is like one giant economic playground. the government is meant to be the adult that makes sure everyone plays nice. problem is that when someone isn’t playing nice, they see the adult as evil. if the whole playground ends up on the side of the one not playing nice, however, like hookers sticking up for a crooked pimp becuase they don’t know any better, then it becomes the governing body’s duty to not only enforce fair play, but make an example of one abusing it.
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I find he has a lot of Charisma:) I hope I spelt that right. Too new to rate right now, but the people like him and the proof will be in how he manages your Governors or Senate:)
I agree. So far with I’m not seeing much good though..
He’s really just a referee. A leader, a facilitator and General Manager of the most powerful economic machine in the world. Fair is a process or opinion that changes between cultures and groups. The word fair is a bench mark that in some things may take a long time to achieve or may never reach. I understand and agree some what of what your saying, but I think the big factor here is you can only form an opinion on what you know. You only know what you have learned and the media is “Very responsible” for your opinion. Doom and gloom sells. No more little, honest and independent news sources. The majority liked Bush the first time or he wouldn’t have won. Look at the up side…..you have elected a President that would have never even been a concept a few years ago. Money is just a distraction and corruption is always there to provide an incentive not to be to complacent:)
Give it time and let them work. Watch and listen, but keep your own house well. With the other issues in the world, we’ll have to tighten up our…business:)
It takes one and a half terms to really see if there is an improvement. He really is an inspiration to the rest of the world. Our government is different and Lieutenant Governor has always been someone of a different ethnic back ground that travels the world soliciting change and peace.
BTW some want her gone…they say it’s a waste of money. They have no class:)
max i want more logical people like you in the world, and the US..
lol…thank you, but that would be a logical solution to an illogical problem. What will be ,will be:) I admire the people who write books, take care of their families and write the local paper:)
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lol…thank you, but that would be a logical solution to an illogical problem. What will be ,will be:) I admire the people who write books, take care of their families and write the local paper:)
That’s all true : )
We have been losing the little paper people. I think that’s probably where the story of Superman came from:) Reporter/hero. Ben said the “pen is mightier then the sword”. Obama’s IT director for their champaign has a speak circuit. I’m suppose to attend one of the seminars:)
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We have been losing the little paper people. I think that’s probably where the story of Superman came from:) Reporter/hero. Ben said the “pen is mightier then the sword”. Obama’s IT director for their champaign has a speak circuit. I’m suppose to attend one of the seminars:)
Yeah we have, or theyre being used for the internet now.. I had never thought of superman as a part of it : ).. you should at least think of attending, and see what’s going on..
I’ve been personally invited and I will to bring some students so they can be inspired too, hopefully:)
He’s sooo stupid! I hate Obama. He’s not making this country better he’s making this country worse! Expecially with the casinos! I don’t care what people think about me saying this stuff. W.e but I hate him! He doesn’t deserve to be president!
~Alissa Ramey~
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He’s sooo stupid! I hate Obama. He’s not making this country better he’s making this country worse! Expecially with the casinos! I don’t care what people think about me saying this stuff. W.e but I hate him! He doesn’t deserve to be president!
~Alissa Ramey~
..So you don’t like casinos I take it?? We’re getting one near me in cleveland soon. I personally have nothing against casinos, and it should make jobs and help the economy.. But I don’t know what he’s doing specifically to or about casinos..
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