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Is the body what we are or are we an entity inside a body?


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Anonymous #
4 months ago (2 minutes after post)

the soul is an entity that fills the vessel… our bodies are just vessels.
when we die they are just shells. we are entities within that.

at least that is what i believe.
its all a matter of belief and opinion

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (8 minutes after post)

Would you say the soul is a conscious awareness of self which has no body?

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Anonymous #
4 months ago (10 minutes after post)

i believe the soul is conscious of itself being bodiless when it is not within a body. but we are slaves to our bodies. they are in constant change and distress - they need constant care. the soul could not neglect that or it would have to evacuate.

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (11 minutes after post)

I think, therefore I am.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (15 minutes after post)

Are you really thinking or just quoting Descartes?

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (16 minutes after post)

How do you think the body contains the soul and keeps it there?

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (17 minutes after post)

I think that the soul is THE consciousness. It’s what MAKES the person. The body is just a house for the soul because souls like to live somewhere, I suppose.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (18 minutes after post)

But if you’re aware of your soul why cant you leave your body?

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (23 minutes after post)

I just thought it efficiently portrayed my feelings; that we are at least something rather. It seems safe to say we aren’t our bodies, or at least very little of us is, since our limbs can be amputated and not affect our thought functions. You could consider our brain “our body” though. Are we our physical minds? Nobody knows, and to be quite honest I don’t think it really matters since obviously we’ll never find out or we’re not supposed to find out.

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (27 minutes after post)

Blah blah blah!

Arguments of definitions never end, because everyone has their own definition. Even something like websters is only the perception of the general populations benefits.

Your question is like asking is 1 = (1/1) or (2/2) = 1?

They are all essentially the same, except different ways of expressing the same thing.

Make sense? Good. Because I am correct.

Cease to discuss!

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (27 minutes after post)

I wouldn’t say we’ll never find out simply because I dont know. Many people in the past would have dismissed things we have today such as mobile phones and electricity. I’d like to believe the answer is waiting to be discovered, after all, the majority of things we have now have always existed, they’ve just been waiting to be discovered. The wheel, for example, has always existed if you think about it, but it lie waiting to be brought in to physical reality.

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (41 minutes after post)

Self-awareness is not a physical thing though. It’s not like one day someone will look though a special lens and see their true self, as the self is merely an idea. This is why we can never know for certain what exactly we are. Like everything though, we use the evidence we have to explain ourselves.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (46 minutes after post)

I know it’s not a physical thing, it’s just an example of things that exist which never seemed possible in the past. I don’t expect to wake up one day and be looking at myself through different eyes any maybe I’ll never find out what we are in my life time but it’s a thought that will be with me for as long as I live.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (1 hour, 2 minutes after post)

vinnie_16 wrote:
I know it’s not a physical thing, it’s just an example of things that exist which never seemed possible in the past. I don’t expect to wake up one day and be looking at myself through different eyes any maybe I’ll never find out what we are in my life time but it’s a thought that will be with me for as long as I live.

great topic. And I agree our soul is somehow attached to the body.
I also believe it is possible to leave ones body briefly.
I think energies/the soul that is us, never die.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (1 hour, 2 minutes after post)

All of us pretty much question this, anyone think they have ever seen or talked to the dead? Not me, I wish though!

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (1 hour, 12 minutes after post)

I’ve never seen or spoke to the dead but I’ve had people tell me they have. Whether it be true or not is another matter.

I’ve debated this before and used to believe, when we die, we no longer exist. Its hard for the mind to imagine not waking up one day or not existing but it is entirely possible. Some people believe in reincarnation but I don’t. Even it it was true, I’ve yet to see someone comeback from a former life with the memories of who they were. This begs the question on whether we really are conscious souls or just just running code/memories like ai.

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (11 hours, 39 minutes after post)

I grew up in a spiritual family, church and all. So, if you look at it from that standpoint, the soul exists in the body then goes on to another afterlife. Now that I’ve gotten older, I believe there is “something” after this life. Whether it’s the whole God/Heaven thing or just some other life or re-incarnation…I don’t know. I do believe in ghosts, so that would indicate some type of after life. If you talk to some people that can astral project, they will tell you that your spirit is attached to your physical body. One cannot exist without the other. Ever watch the Matrix movies? Kinda like that. You have both, but they are symbiotic. They need each other, until death.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (11 hours, 46 minutes after post)

If they say the spirit is attached to the body and neither can exist without each other, is it not a contradiction to say you move on after death or do you mean from a spirtual entity to someone else which is not a spirit?

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An Undisclosed Location | 4 months ago (11 hours, 53 minutes after post)

Yeah, ok, I realized that after I posted. In death, there is a transforming of the soul into a higher level being. Kinda like the caterpiller/butterfly thing. The soul travels to another plane of existance. Hey, I don’t know for sure either. Unanswerable questions like this are reasons I stopped going to church. The only answer I could get from them was, “you have to have faith”. That was their answer for anything they couldn’t readily explain. Not good enough.

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An Unknown Location | 4 months ago (12 hours, 1 minute after post)

Ah, I see what you mean. It’s a nice thought and I can see why you would think like that. I’ve never been spiritual as I’ve always questioned the validility of some religious teachings but I’m not against anyone who has religious faith. It is ultimately how it makes you feel. If you feel wonderful believing in religion why would you change?

My parents are slightly religious and as a child I followed suit but quickly started to think for myself about what I want to believe in. There is no right or wrong about this discussion and it’s facinating to see different peoples opinions on what they believe.

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An Unknown Location | 3 months, 4 weeks ago (3 days, 22 hours after post)

All of these opinions fascinate me, I’m keeping my mind wide open since I just don’t have a clue except for the fact that I do believe that I always have been and always will be and if I’m wrong then who cares because i’ll be dead at this point the only ones who get affected are the loved ones. Maybe…. the reason we feel like we live on, is because we do, in the minds and hearts of others, “Like kindred sprits”.

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An Undisclosed Location | 3 months, 4 weeks ago (4 days, 6 hours after post)

I guess the thing that bothers me the most, is the fragility of life and how quickly we forget. Think about a friend that you’ve lost. Someone you saw almost everyday. Now, when was the last time you thought about that person before this post? It was someone you saw and depended on on a daily basis, but how easily we move and don’t think about the person anymore. If you think about it, at some point in time, we’ll all be just a name on a headstone to the world. Only a select few will even remotely remember us. And, as we’ve seen in the past couple of months, not even the celebrities are exempt from passing on. I can only hope there is someone beyond this life, something more and better to look forward to, I have little left in this life to hope for.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months ago (1 month, 3 weeks after post)

the self is an illusion. we are educated to believe in a dualistic system. It creates fear and is a good tool for controlling mass. There is no death. Schrogingers cat. There is only life and what it expressess through matter.a paradigm.acontradiction….hope this ponders some thought,

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An Unknown Location | 2 months ago (1 month, 4 weeks after post)

So when we die we just die, help me out here.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months ago (1 month, 4 weeks after post)

Okay,did some research so you believe that we are being researched? We’re mutations? Interesting why do you believe this and who is the experimenter. That’s why some of us believe in reincarnation? If your theory is true, what is the memory for is that not our own? Honestly, I don’t think that anyone could or can read my thoughts. Although, they’re is a possiblitity I’ve heard it all. Can you tell me more about your theory. The only resource I had was the wekipedia and I had to read it twice to truly understand. I’m not that familiar with science. You did make me ponder some thought though. How long have you believed this and why? Just interested!

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