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So you’re saying that people shouldn’t believe in God because he’s the same as santa?

I never said DONT BELIVE IN GOD… and yes they are the same really

dyslexic satanist worship santa :)

So are you implying that you are not human? o_o

Because the world we live in is contaminated. Alot of bad things always happen to alot of people on a daily basis and there isn’t alot to keep someone going, not all the time and they need alittle more. The world around may be wrong but somewhere out there, there has to be someplace that’s good and as long as we can believe in that then we can go on. Do you understand.

sorry. i just wanted to get it clear.
and i agree, i’ve said this many times, or well at least thought it.

but then the real thing about santa and christmas is feeling the christmas “spirit” trying to help out those in need just like the real ****. Nicholas.

sooo in my heart i believe theres something, i’m pretty sure my thoughts of god is totally different than most but to me it’s all about spirit.

Well my doctor thinks i have aspergers syndrome so i have a hard time relateing to people and understanding how they feel so to Neutra no i dont understand how people cant just be happy with reality

ugh stupid help. saint. is what’s blocked out up there.

because everyone has their own reality. it’s kinda like looking through candy colored glasses, no one wants to accept what life really is.

Many people are not happy with reality because they have not.

Whats a candy colored glass? + People dont use religion as a means to get through life but to use it as a way to hate and undermine others belifes and opinions

Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, miscellaneous dieties and gods, etc…

All made up to keep us under control or make us feel bettr.

candy colored glasses=they see what they want to see.

kinda like a kid in disneyworld.

Reality dosen’t always suit everyone the same. Sometimes it’s tougher for certain people to adapt. There are some people who have more alignment towards good and if they are in a bad inviroment that has negative growing concicuinces and if the people around are more corrupt and can adjust easier the good people have tougher times trying to adjust. And they can’t always decide where they want to be at so the world will adjust them. So to counter this some people are at their own world, could be in their mind, that is more to their fitting.

We can’t always decide how our lives should be so we make our own worlds where we live the lives that we should live rather then where we are in reality. Everyone has their place like that although some won’t ammitt it. Also it’s “our” world and if people find it strange then it’s normal as not everyone is going to understand someone else’s place where they can be themselves and live their true lives.

Neutra wrote:
Reality dosen’t always suit everyone the same. Sometimes it’s tougher for certain people to adapt. There are some people who have more alignment towards good and if they are in a bad inviroment that has negative growing concicuinces and if the people around are more corrupt and can adjust easier the good people have tougher times trying to adjust. And they can’t always decide where they want to be at so the world will adjust them. So to counter this some people are at their own world, could be in their mind, that is more to their fitting.

We can’t always decide how our lives should be so we make our own worlds where we live the lives that we should live rather then where we are in reality. Everyone has their place like that although some won’t ammitt it. Also it’s “our” world and if people find it strange then it’s normal as not everyone is going to understand someone else’s place where they can be themselves and live their true lives.

i agree.
everyone is socialized into different realities. your reality is way different than what mine would be.

that has nothing to do with why religion is used as a means of domination and fear

the reason that religion is used to scare people is because think of a world without religion…if people thought that there was no punishment then they’d do whatever the heck they felt like. Who cares if i do something bad? there would be no guilt for what you did when you were alive.

basically religion keeps people in order. it has it’s place in the world.

Anonymous wrote:
that has nothing to do with why religion is used as a means of domination and fear

Mmm…alright. The reason for religion is to create and maintain order. It makes a set of rules that picks out what seems wrong with human society and tells you not to do it or else bad things are going to happen.

For example, the ten commandments, notice how most of the stuff it says tells something bad like stealing and being rude and says don’t do them. It’s to say if you keep being bad then bad things will come with what you do.

Hope that’s clear enough.

yes and its also says homosexuality is wrong and many awful things that we dont not go by. [think peace] are you saying that athiests and people such as bushmen in africa have no guilt or moral?

Your not understanding the point. Different people have different ways of doing things. What may be seen as taboo in one place is the way of life for another. Don’t judge another type of culture just because they don’t do things the same way as you may had or the people around you.

no i’m not at all. i’m not religious whatsoever…if i was saying that then i’d be saying i had no guilt or morals.

i’m saying that’s the reason for religion. that’s why people invented it. and it’s way crazy outdated.

and not all religion says homosexuality is wrong. every religion says different things. thats why none of them are right.

Im not judgeing anyone.. infact im try so see why religion is so close minded and childish and didnt people invent it to explain the unknown?

i feel like im makeing circles

I couldn’t tell you. Who knows when religion started. What I can say is who made it did it to either create or maintain order, saying that a higher power will get you if you don’t play nice.

you seem so certain about something you say you know nothing about

everytime i see one of these threads, i hope with every fiber of my being that the idiot poster somehow managed to avoid the flamebait “god arent real, stoopid” statement, but nobody has.

then dont read my post and then call me an idiot, I wasnt hopeing to please some bord stranger on the internet with my questions. Please tell me do you feel smarter now Bacon?

goodbye

There are millions of people in the world who do not affiliate themselves with any religion and live a law abiding good life.

Anonymous wrote:
then dont read my post and then call me an idiot, I wasnt hopeing to please some bord stranger on the internet with my questions. Please tell me do you feel smarter now Bacon?

considering the fact that i can spell “hoping” and “board” correctly…yes, yes i do.

i additionally realize that the phrases “its also says” and “we dont not go by” sound profoundly retarded.

Anonymous wrote:
Whats a candy colored glass? + People dont use religion as a means to get through life but to use it as a way to hate and undermine others belifes and opinions

I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive, really. I think you’re comparing the very worst of the believers with the very best of the unbelievers, which is poor logic. I mean, you’re clearly an atheist of some stripe and you don’t exactly seem to be making with the supportive peace and love of other peoples’ worldviews that you decry believers for lacking…

Silly anonymous trolly troll.

It is the extremes of atheism and religious belief systems that tend to talk out in these types of discussion.

Every time i post something on this website i get mocked and called names, I will never use this site again

Don’t do that, I think everyone feels like that from time to time on this site.

You feel that your belligerent behavior warrants some other response? Please, enlighten me as to how one should address shrill absolutism…

Anonymous wrote:
Every time i post something on this website i get mocked and called names, I will never use this site again

good riddance

actually “Santa Clause” was a real person, his name was Saint Nicholas, but over time the story has been corrupted into this type of character.

Kinda like God He’s always been there but religion has corrupted Him, because the people who claim God don’t seem to be any better then the people who don’t cause they don’t represent Christ the way their suppose too. Read the gospels Christ teachings, against judging and hating, and to love everyone as you love yourselves, i mean these are sound teachings that we would accept whether we believe in Him or not, its just sad cause the majority of the time, people who say they believe in God, don’t really have a foundation on what to do after that, its like this new god they made up that allows them to act and behave how they want.

how could humans after years and years of living on this planet start coming to the conclusion that their is no God? all their efforts in the past, were all in vain? and now were the lucky ones to live in the generation of finally “figuring out” there is no God??? Idk sounds a little “bleh” to me, especially when no one can prove defiantly there is no God, the majority of the secular answers to the explanation of just everything, is just an assumption. Their is no definite answer, just an answer to pieces of this mystery we call “life”, cause every answer I’ve heard, has lead to another question and then to another answer and then to another question, lol its eventually going to lead to the answer that their is a God and He loves us all!

Define ‘bleh’?

You are right, there is no definate answer and everyone should be entitiled to have their own opinions without the god squad coming in being heavy handed with people who do not believe in their superstitions.

i like God squad but i prefer Jesus Freak, or Crazy for Christ :)

but “bleh” describes how our history has been focused on a God or some cultures “gods”, especially the past 2000 years the focus on the God, but different view points on what He did, does that make them both wrong? there is definite proof there is a God (go talk to Antony Flew),no one was trying to prove there isn’t a God scientifically until the mass interest in it the past 100 years, and they still can’t prove He doesn’t exist, do you think their going to prove it defiantly before the world comes to end by a nuclear holocaust or who knows what! we’re approaching that quicker then approaching the proof there is no God.

i understand we all have our own opinions? but is it really a delusion? is it really an excuse to make people live right? how is it possible of people who have been legally dead for 3 days? with video proof of it, come back from the dead and say they saw a heaven, and they saw a hell? how is possible that the bible is about 28 percent prophecy 90 percent complete with a 100 percent accuracy so far? how is it possible there not be demons or angels, when I’ve seen both and the demonic entity told me how he was going to try to kill my brother? through an illness, that the doctors couldn’t explain, but i could, because of what i was told? so it couldn’t of been some delusion that I saw, i obviously knew something that these “hotshot” doctors couldn’t explain. Who cares about the people who claim their religion who cares what they say, go read their doctrines, does it take rocket scientist to understand the meaning of life? or is it as simple as the meek, to understand it.

I don’t think you can cite Anthony Flew in one paragraph and talk about personal revelations of angels and demons in the next. I mean, Flew’s theism relates to an utterly impersonal and non-moral organizing intelligence, hardly the kind of power that would organize a universe along such strong moral lines as to manifest good and evil as stereotypical beings with clear intentions for man. Flew’s (and Jefferson’s) Theism relates to a God so hands-off of the goings on of man, the view is practically nihilistic.

Science largely ignores the question of God because it is a question without any meaningful scientific hook. Inquiries into the matter are all, inevitably, emotional and personal. Trying to prove or disprove the existence of God is as silly as trying to prove the existence of Tuesday. One person will say they know it is Tuesday because it says so on the calendar and the majority agrees it’s Tuesday and the garbage man came, which is what happens on Tuesday. Another person would argue that majority opinion is not the same as truth and that all that has been done is that a name has been applied to a finite observable chunk of an infinite and intimidating concept (time) to help people cope and make better sense of things. And frankly they’re both right and it doesn’t matter. It is what it is.

There are explanations for all the phenomena you mention that fall closer to ocham’s razor than the direct intervention of an infinite being into the finite matters of mankind or (in the case of you) a single person. But if it makes you happy, who am I to care?

roenmcgloan wrote:
I don’t think you can cite Anthony Flew in one paragraph and talk about personal revelations of angels and demons in the next. I mean, Flew’s theism relates to an utterly impersonal and non-moral organizing intelligence, hardly the kind of power that would organize a universe along such strong moral lines as to manifest good and evil as stereotypical beings with clear intentions for man. Flew’s (and Jefferson’s) Theism relates to a God so hands-off of the goings on of man, the view is practically nihilistic.

Science largely ignores the question of God because it is a question without any meaningful scientific hook. Inquiries into the matter are all, inevitably, emotional and personal. Trying to prove or disprove the existence of God is as silly as trying to prove the existence of Tuesday. One person will say they know it is Tuesday because it says so on the calendar and the majority agrees it’s Tuesday and the garbage man came, which is what happens on Tuesday. Another person would argue that majority opinion is not the same as truth and that all that has been done is that a name has been applied to a finite observable chunk of an infinite and intimidating concept (time) to help people cope and make better sense of things. And frankly they’re both right and it doesn’t matter. It is what it is.

There are explanations for all the phenomena you mention that fall closer to ocham’s razor than the direct intervention of an infinite being into the finite matters of mankind or (in the case of you) a single person. But if it makes you happy, who am I to care?

new personal hero

lol I’m sorry but that didn’t prove anything, but no one can explain what happened to me, no one can explain the multiple of people who’ve died and either went to a place of torment or a place of peace, and some were atheist, others were different religions, and they’re all coming back saying the same thing, I’m sorry no one can try to explain what happened to them, because its just an assumption. The only people who even have a right to say what happened to an individual that experienced it, are the same people who’ve died and came back to life. And so far, they’re all agreeing with the same thing.

I personal think people have an agenda with religion, which rightfully so they should, but honestly, how many people have actually done their independent research on each religion? by reading and understanding their doctrines, their writing that they base their faith on? few if any have actually read it all, it really speaks for itself.

and no one can refute the 28 percent prophecy in the bible either(that no other book has come close to trying to do), but no one chooses to study that. And no one can make a debate on this, except by doing their research on their own, lol which i would be surprised if anyone actually did, but hopefully one day some one who doesn’t believe at least gives the bible a chance instead of judging God and his Word, by what other people have said or told them.

Hon, they’re not “all” saying the same thing. THe ones you choose to listen to are saying the same thing, that’s why you decide to listen to them. Atheists can have fever dreams about heaven and hell because they’re aware of the mythos, and the human unconscious mind will throw anything from our sphere of our personal awareness up onto the stage. It’s the same as alien sightings. Alien sightings used to all “agree” that aliens were large and monstrous back when that was how the popular media (horror comics and movies) portrayed them. Now, they all largely “agree” that aliens are grey with large heads and glassy eyes because THAT is what our imaginations have been trained to see.

The fulfillment of prophesy is post-diction rather than pre-diction…looking at something vague and subjective after the fact, something that you want to believe was a prediction, and finding things that have happened that seem to fit what you interpret it to mean. It’s the same reason why people believe in horoscopes and other predictive superstitions. It makes us happy to believe, so we sift from millions and millions of bits of stimulus of our daily lives and latch onto the ones that fit our schema. It’s the same way that racism and other prejudices work…if your world view depends on believing that all white people are privileged, for example, your mind accepts without question examples that support this and ignores or works overtime to explain away examples of white people that are poor.

And you’re right, none of this proves anything one way or another. All the “evidence” for or against the existence of God is entirely anecdotal, and any scientist will tell you that anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence. I’m really glad that your brother got better, but there are reasons why your story is not sending me out into the street to repent the parts of my life that don’t adhere to the bible’s teaching, and it’s not because I’m too stupid or too stubborn. But that is a matter of your life, and a happy one, and I am not going to debate it with you. Still, if you think you can prove that God grants you special powers to know things that otherwise you couldn’t know, the society of sceptics offers a million dollar reward for people who can prove that they have extra-natural powers under scientific conditions. Why not go for it?

actually they are all saying the exact same-thing, the ones that I have done research on, are the ones that have legal documented proof that they were dead, if you can find one that has legal documented proof(not some guy who had a heart attack), and they have some other story I would be very interested in it, because of the months of world wide research on this topic the evidence is indisputable.

And this is your mistake with the Bible, all do respect you refuse to do your own independent study on the WHOLE book. Instead you’ve read parts of it if that, or heard what someone else told you. The Bible is literal, look at Israel for example, Bible says God would restore the nation in one day, which he did, Bible says God would restore them their original language Hebrew which happened its their national language, Bible says the land would be restored and flourish, Mark Twain went to the land in the late 1800’s and said the land was desolate and how he didn’t see a tree or a human for miles, and now suddenly the land thrives with agriculture after the Jewish people return to their homeland. And don’t say that’s all by chance lol cause not even West Point thinks it’s by chance, they refuse to study Israel’s wars and battles, because the outcome of the battles are impossible! But don’t take my word for it, go see what happened to Israel the day after their independence, do your research on the Arab-Israeli war. It goes on and on, bible prophecy isn’t all about anti-Christ 666 stuff lol and its not some supernatural power that I have, I’m not claiming any type of knowledge that hasn’t been given to by God and what He has written for all of us to read. I mean come on its the number 1 selling book in history, and so many people refuse to read it from cover to cover which is really surprising. But I’m not saying anything about repenting that’s none of my business what you do with yourself, just that we all should at least give the Bible a chance and just read it, because no person, no expert, no cliff notes lol can explain the Bible to you until you actually read it for yourself.

But hey even if you choose not to read it or anyone else who reads this, always just watch Israel, i promise you they will never cease to exist, even though the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thinks other wise, they will always have their homeland. You might say well that’s a prediction that anyone could make because America is supporting Israel, but if you do your research America has stopped supporting Israel, they’re just being political about it, and whats soon about to happen to Israel will be indisputable that there is a God. But hey don’t take my word for it, go read the bible, or just watch and see :)

As you like. Go with God.

I was brought up a practicing Christian but did not find that I had any belief for what was being presented. I have went on to find out about other religions and discovered that I believe in the Goddess in all her forms throughout the world. Unfortunately people always refer to Christianity on these forums when discussing religion when the world is vibrant with so many different belief systems and faiths.