religion help: Faith.

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Faith.

Okay, my question is what do you think the proper use of the term faith is. As far as I can see there are two concepts of it. 1: Belief in something despite lack of, or even against credible evidence. 2: Belief in something because of proof, or very convincing and credible evidence.

It would seem many people use both concepts from time to time, but is that a conflict? The obvious implication is religious in nature. Please do not participate if you have a proclivity towards being easily offended or something. Thanks. :)

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (5 minutes after post)

what is the problem?!?i mean i can’t understand…people believe in what?!?that it can’t be proved?!

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (8 minutes after post)

i’d choose the first..
because faith is a kind of feeling..
and yeah…maybe believeing in God and christianity be such a belief..but no matter what we do beleiev in something
as long as we have faith..we have hope..hope which helps us trough a lot of things..
people are free to have faith in anything..like..Friday the 13-th..people say it is bad luck..it’s a kind of belief..
so the world is full of such things
and as well faith is such a complex thing..it is different for each of us..

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (10 minutes after post)

Believe, is something done, when evidence is not involved, once the evidence is there to know a certain thing or statement is true…one just know it is true, thus getting the factual facts(must be true, understandable and provable) will change faithe to just know it is like that…

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (14 minutes after post)

I don’t think evidence cannot be involved. You have to take outside influences, i.e. evidence, into account. If we did not involve outside influence, how would we form ideas about objects of faith at all?

Also, faith and hope are interesting to point out here. Faiths definition is in question, but the definition of hope implies that it is regardless of probability. Would it be more accurate to classify the first concept as hope?

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (24 minutes after post)

Ok, Im gonna jump a big jump. Believe is a evidence in itself. If it makes sense to you….It is to be absolutely sure about something you hope, and cannot see. Faith cannot fail, accept it is false faith, faith that is not faith, its an insecure faith…like to have faith in a certain friend or human…that is very insecure.

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (51 minutes after post)

Bit of a tough question you ask.
I like things to be simple, I understand things better that way. So I see it this way.

Something that is provable is fact, therefor proof is the truth. This for me, makes probabilities not the truth nor a lie but could be either.
Faith and hope have much the same meaning, to me, because I personaly class it that way.
If we are talking about a faith in a religion, then this to me is a personal feeling, in wanting to believe in something that is not proven.
I cant get along with this sort of reasoning, so to make it easy for me, I dont have faith in that sort of way.

So faith is the same as hope, as I see it, hope being a wish for something to be different or for it to change
This perhaps brings in the word wish to be included in your discussion.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (3 hours, 20 minutes after post)

It’s both, I think.

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An Unknown Location | 2 months, 4 weeks ago (3 hours, 36 minutes after post)

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the definition of faith the way you are suggesting seems to mean belief in something without proof. However, there are many defintions, including a specific one for religion. In the religious sense, I would say that faith is without proof. I don’t have faith though so maybe I am biased? But I honestly feel that even if I were religious, I shouldn’t need proof (especially since there really isn’t any :P)

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