religion help: Do you think the idea about The Trinity: there being 1 God with 3 parts is too complicated? - Help.com

not really, specially since they usually use the likeness of water to explain it(one substance being able to be a solid/gas/liquid).

The harder part about the trinity is that they’re meant to also be in a perfect relationship with each other.

God is complex.

A lot depends on what you mean by the ‘trinity’. i was brought up catholic so was taught about god the father, god the son and god the holy ghost. these three while being separate beings where one and the same. they were equal in all ways, co-eternal, they all knew everything the others knew and a lot of other stuff.
The bible tells us that jesus (god the son) was created - and therefore could not be co eternal.
The bible tells us that only the father knows ‘the day and the hour’
The idea of the trinity was adopted by a church councel in the 1600’s (i think it was then) origionally they discussed a two in one god head.
The only scripture in the bible that mentions the father, son and holy ghost together is not in the older manuscripts of the bible but has been added at a later date.

Hold on - the Bible never says that Jesus was created. Jesus is eternal. That is one of the core beliefs of Christianity.

Cell……maybe you could look up these scriptures in your own bible.

(Colossians 1:13-16) He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.

(Philippians 2:5-6)  Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form,GAVE NO CONSIDERATION TO A SEIZURE, NAMELY, THAT HE SHOULD BE EQUAL TO GOD.

I did say the trinity was decided by a church councel - not the bible. I know its hard to get your head round something you ve believed all your life not being true - it took me some time to come to terms with it myself.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

=> over is a lot different than of

Philippians 2:5-6 is stressing that we should be humble like Jesus was - even though He has the right to consider Himself and equal to God the father He doesn’t - He humbles Himself

are you saying your bible has a different meaning to the one i used? could you post it?

So it agrees. Jesus is not equal to God?

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

=> He had a right to consider Himself equal with the Father but instead He humbled himself

Christ is a first born in that He was born of Mary - but He existed in heaven before that - He has always existed - He is eternal and He is God or a part of God however you can understand it.

Colossians 2:9

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity(God) lives in bodily form

The scripture refers to jesus as the firstborn ‘of all creation’ and says that he then worked in the creation of all other things. Would that not mean he had a beginning rather than being eternal?

your scripture says ‘did not consider equality with God something to be grasped’ - that does not sound, to me, that he thought he was equal?

it says he’s the “firstborn over all creation” meaning he is Lord of all - He’s a firstborn in that He was born of Mary into a human body

He had the right to consider Himself equal to God:

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,

Jsus is in very nature God, but subjected himself under God - humbled himself - He didn’t demand His due in terms of respect and honour - He doesn’t say “Yeah I’m as good as God” even though he is in very nature God - No, He teaches us the way by saying “I am a servant.”

Cell……..Why does it say he was the first born of all creation and then talk about his involvement in creation?

Why does being the first born of all creation equate to being born of Mary? Surely that would only make him Mary’s first born?

He’s the first born “OVER all creation” meaning the boss (Lord) of all things made. That’s what over means.

Not the firstborn “of”

The first born OVER all creation…

Sorry, tell me again why is he referred to as first-born?

He’s a firstborn because he was born as a human - Mary’s firstborn - and God’s too I guess - in that he was born as a human from Mary

-first born - not first created

Jesus was born as a human - but before that He always existed and “was with God and was God” as it says in the book of John.